Who thinks “Trannie” is a derogatory term?

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Within cognitive there are 4 categories;
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deducation
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correcting 2 errors in my post.
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@IlDiavolo
not tranny because it comes from "transsexual" which is an accurate word to describe people with gender dysphoria.
Right, and calling an Irish man Mick is not derogatory either.

It’s just a version of Michael which is a common Irish name

It just so happens that a lot of Micks are poor and uncultivated

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Comparing transgenders to an ethnic group is a bit silly.

One of these things you were born with. The other, is a choice made when one neglects a specific mental issue.
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One of these things you were born with. The other, is a choice made when one neglects a specific mental issue.
Way to identify yourself as a moron to a bunch of strangers.

I suppose you think being gay is a disorder too.

But I see you are a Christian which is synonymous with ignorance and intolerance. I think believing in God is a disorder.
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@Mharman
Comparing transgenders to an ethnic group is a bit silly.
But calling an Irishman a Mick is ok, right?

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Way to identify yourself as a moron to a bunch of strangers.

I suppose you think being gay is a disorder too.

But I see you are a Christian which is synonymous with ignorance and intolerance. I think believing in God is a disorder.

But calling an Irishman a Mick is ok, right?
It's a bit hard to answer a question when the person across from you already has contempt for you, and seems unwilling to listen to you or interpret your arguments in a way that is fair. None of what you said sounds like an argument designed to discuss the issue honestly; it sounds like bitterness, and despite past interactions I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you want an honest discussion. Could you re-word your argument in a way that attempts to achieve this?


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See above post.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Yep. One should always refer to them as Transistor Radios.

Or do you mean blokes in frocks?

Or perhaps even modified blokes in frocks.

Perhaps we should now only use the T word.

Perhaps all words should be abbreviated to avoid any controversy.


So.

I T T A T's A P W W E T I U T A.

Hope no one finds this offensive.

Otherwise we will be reduced to silence.
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I think Trannie, Retarted, Ni**er, Ni**a, and Fa**ot are all deragatory.  But using them should be allowed under the first amendment. DART’s moderation should not censor these words as they are only words.  
Correct. But the one using these derogatory terms should not be protected from complaints for them using it, because of course they are bad words, expect people to react like they are.
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@Mharman
I think one should expect hostility and derision when they say something that is bigoted and ignorant. I think arguing with ignorant people is a waste of time so I choose to just berate them so they will be more careful the next time they chime in and they come to realize that their uninformed  opinions aren’t welcome. I’m really doing you a favor.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You aren’t. If anything, you’re harming yourself. You’re dismissing an honest conversation because you are so convinced you are right that you are unwilling to listen to anything else.

Apparently, you think anyone who disagrees with you should be converted not with logic, but with shaming tactics. They are ignorant, and it is the Progressive’s Burden to bring them to enlightenment, by any means necessary.

It’s pretty clear that you don’t debate with intention to find truth and/or change minds; you debate with intention to try to make the other person look foolish. It’s pretty sad how signed up for a debate website and decided to make all your “arguments” in bad faith. After all, it doesn’t come off as arguing in good faith when one tells so many people their opposing opinions are “unwelcome,” on a site made with the purpose of holding talks between people with opposing opinions. 

You go on so much about “ignorance,” but what happens when you see everyone who disagrees with you, even in the slightest, as simply “ignorant?” It’s pretty clear that you see a large portion of this site, and country, as such. Anyone right-leaning, as well as anyone who isn’t left-leaning enough, are barely logical savages who must be brought to civility.

You’ve derided plenty of right-wingers and plenty of left-wingers who disagreed with you on a single subject. Consider this: Could it be that you are ignorant, since you are so unwilling to listen to others? Such stubbornness often leads to ignorance, so it wouldn’t be a surprise.

But of course, despite all you have said, I invite you to change this behavior of yours, because I hope you ultimately realize how harmful this kind of arguing is to genuine truth-seeking. I will ask again: Could you please be more civil?

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@Mharman
It’s pretty clear that you don’t debate with intention to find truth and/or change minds
You can’t debate bigots. They were raised that way. They won’t believe anything they read from “elites” 

when one tells so many people their opposing opinions are “unwelcome,”
Bigotry and intolerance are unwelcome. Get use to it.

genuine truth-seeking.
Is that what inspired your bigoted comments, truth seeking? Do you really believe tranny is ok because it is similar to transsexual?

What do you think about the term chinaman? Not offensive? Potentially offensive?

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In the birthing process, a medical professional will declare your baby a boy or a girl based on their sexual organs — but does this determine their gender?
“We’re trying to change the understanding of gender,” says psychiatrist Murat Altinay, MD. “That’s one of my big goals. The main question I’m asking is, ‘Where is the gender?’”
We know that as an embryo forms, the genitalia specializes into either male or female. But what about development in the brain?
“The brain and the body can go in different directions,” Dr. Altinay says. “Gender is not only in our genitalia; there’s something in the brain that determines gender.”

It is my opinion tha people who call transgenders, trannies are the same people that called black people niggers and the same people that scrape the serial numbers off their guns.
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You can complain about the use of a sweat.  But me calling someone the N word shouldn’t result in me getting beat up or fired.  Hunter Biden said the N word and nobody cares because his dad says Orange man bad.  If you’re a white democrat, you can say whatever you want.  If your a white republican, society won’t treat you the same.
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You can’t debate bigots.
Try telling that to a former neo-Nazi. There are plenty of them, here’s one particular example: https://qz.com/1457014/to-deradicalize-extremists-former-neo-nazis-use-a-radical-method-empathy

She was once a bigot, but someone convinced her stop being one, and that someone did it by being kind. You would have simply berated her, and she would’ve dug her heels in as a response.

How are you going to convince anyone when you won’t even listen to them? You can’t. When you refuse to listen, you create strawmans and attack those instead. That doesn’t convince anyone. Worst part is, you don’t even try to be convincing because you hold the blatantly false belief that “they cannot be convinced,” despite the vast amount of examples proving the contrary.

Bigotry may not be welcome here, but it is tolerated up to a certain point. It has to be this way for a debate website where people are aiming to convince each other. No, arguing against something isn’t intolerance. Banning users, or berating them without an attempt to to have an honest discussion, would be.

Furthermore, the fact that think my statements are bigoted shows you don’t understand them. You spent a long time telling yourself not to debate with bigots, and as a result, you have created of yourself a one-man echo chamber where almost everyone is bigoted. Then you refuse to have an honest discussion with anyone who disagrees with you in the slightest, even when they tend to agree with you, because they are “bigots.”

The problem is, you can’t label someone a bigot and refuse to listen to them in the same breath. How can you tell if someone is a bigot when you don’t even make an attempt to understand them? You can’t.

I am not saying it is ok to call an Irishman a “Mick.” Quite the opposite. My point is that race and gender identity are not the same thing, so your comparison is foolish.

If you had made an honest attempt to listen to me, you would have understood this. Instead, you chose to berate rather than convince based on a series of false assumptions.

I offer you one more chance: Are you going to stop this and listen for the sake of rationality, or are you going to continue your objectively terrible methods?
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@Mharman
So great bigots with kindness? That’s your motto? I will not do that.

Treat Nazis with kindness? Is that what we did in WWII, or did we bomb there cities?

How can you tell if someone is a bigot
By the words coming out of their mouth or the things they write and put their name to.
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@Mharman
My point is that race and gender identity are not the same thing, so your comparison is foolish.
You said race is not a choice. You implied that being a transsexual is a choice - the result of ignoring a mental issue.

“The other, is a choice made when one neglects a specific mental issue”

Being a transsexual, transgender, gay, etc… is not a choice. And it is not a “mental issue”

You probably think Conversion Therapy is a valid medical treatment too.

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The R word is a blanket term that can apply to anybody who does/says stupid shit.
Tranny is a word that degrades someone specifically for being trans.

It is bad policy to use slurs and we should discourage normalizing them whenever possible.
But I don't give two fucks what words you use. 


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