Great plan to abolish "meat industry and factory farm" and save the animals

The evils of factory farm

They have no control over their sex life and have no what we refer to as life.

Plan to free the animals and give them back their land

"Power decides everything" has become more clear than ever. Animals dont have power to defend their land, so it is not their land. But it is their land. It is where they lived for thousands of years, only to be captured and enslaved by humans.

To release billions of animals into the wild is a great task never achieved before. We must make sure the land  is suitable for them. That there is food. That there is no cars to hit them.

Changing to vegetarian diet

This is what humans are supposed to do. Vegetarian diet may not be as tasty as meat, but it is suitable for us. It is entirely possible to live on it.

Besides, the joy of eating meat is a joy that disappears in 5 minutes after it appears. "Extra joy" is hardly a justification for our actions that are everything except joy for billions of animals we imprisoned and tortured.

We even force our children to eat meat, lying to them that they wont grow unless they eat it. In a sense, what we saw as great could be the worst thing we have ever done.

However, we can still reduce the harm of our future actions.

I don't agree with animal abuse, but I do believe that animal are not subject to any rights, because  they wouldn't even understand them, if they had them. If animals had rights, and someone took those rights away from them, they wouldn't know, wouldn't care, and couldn't say anything either way. 

It's the equivalent to reading rights to an animal. It's pointless. 

Would you say this about mentally disabled humans and very young children?

There’s already a thing called animal rights. But you think it shouldn’t exist at all? 

I don't agree with animal abuse, but I do believe that animal are not subject to any rights, because  they wouldn't even understand them.

They were created for human consumption, so yes they have no life. Why should they get a life? What are they going to do with it? Eat grass, and sleep?

Free animals: Starvation increase

Also animals don't own anything. Again they don't have any rights, and can't claim land, unless they have some way of defending it. They have no lease to the land and no documents claiming they have that land.

What about Lions, Tigers, and Bears OH MY!!

They can defend claims of land.

Wait....so we have to free animals, give them rights, provide care for them, and protect them.

So animals are to be treated as Kings, and people on the street, and kids in Africa aren't?

Animals and humans evolved to eat meat. We weren't made for being vegetarian. Why do cows exist. They serve no purpose to any ecosystem, they actually increase carbon emissions with there farts, and they eat and sleep all day. They are big piles of meat, just going to waste.

You take my steak, I take your life, and make steak out of you.

So kids, don't want to eat meat? Tell that to Mcdonalds.

Humans did evolve to be able to eat meat. However, it is more beneficial not to at this point.

"They serve no purpose to any ecosystem" does not lead us to conclusion that "we should torture and kill them".

I have no interest in forcing anyone.

Its difficult for children who dont like meat, since they are usually forced to eat it as soon as they reach a certain age where they can eat it.

"Kids in Africa being treated better" is not the result of "You eating meat".

In fact, we can safely say that you eating meat has no positive effect on children in africa.

Further, "giving rights to animals" does not lead to "rights being taken away from kids in africa". This is especially true since "you eating meat" does not "help children in africa".

However, giving rights to animals could cause a high increase in food production. It could also cause a decrease in violence among humans.

This is a bit off topic, but vegetarians are much less violent than meat eaters. It is common sense that if you consume suffering, and slaughter animals and justify their killing, you are more likely to justify the killing of humans.

"Wild animals attacking animals" is not a big problem. Humans already killed most of those. Besides, animals being hunted by animals is different from animals being farmed in a crowded room by humans and then killed. We can see that with factory farming, suffering and killing happens at much greater level. It is not just the killed animals that suffer. In factory farming, suffering is omnipresent for all animals.

"They have no documents" is a correct statement. "They have no rights" is incorrect. Animals have rights. Since they can feel pain, it is their right to be alive and protected from pain. If not completely, then partially.

I wouldnt say that this is true for humans or animals.

In fact, vegetable farming, foraging and insect farming are much more effective than animal farming.

People are not living only on meat.

I dont know why do you think that animals were created for human consumption. It is not true that "humans need to eat animals in order to survive", and it is not true that "eating animals" has any more benefit than "eating insects" or "drinking milk" or "eating eggs".

Now, you ask: "what are they going to do with life?". However, what are you saying with this question?

You are saying that "to live in a very crowded room, to be tortured and have your babies separated from yoy and killed in great majority of cases" is equal to "living on a grassland with lots of space, where you are not tortured so much as you are tortured in factory farm, and where your babies live with you much longer, and where your babies are not killed so much as they are in factory farm".

Obviously, if we consider torture to be bad and if we seek to decrease it, those two are not equal.

So the answer to your question is that animals will enjoy life more and suffer less when they are on grassland than in factory farm.

The point of rights is to benefit animals, at least some of them. The claim "animals wont understand it" does not negate this.

Your plan is to kill all the meat eaters, and let the herbivores run free.

Your using the words like torture, and kill as if they are actual human beings.

They are animals......explain the difference. 

Cows have no say on what happens to them. They don't even understand certain things.

Did you know the memory of a cow, is 48 hours long?

Animals are not the same as humans. They don't have the same emotional, or psychological mental capacity as humans, so you can't make the assumption, that they are depressed because of something that happens to them, like there children being taken.

I didn't say anywhere that meat eaters should be killed.

These claims dont prove the claim "Animals feel pain" to be wrong.

Further, anyone who observed a cat losing her kitten could tell you that cat in that situation acts similar to a depressed human.

It is interesting how you were quick to assume that animals dont feel depression. 

""Wild animals attacking animals" is not a big problem. Humans already killed most of those."

Yep you did.

Animals of course feel pain, but not at the psychological level of a human. So what you feel as depressing is not the same as what an animal feels as depressing.

There is nothing about the claim "humans have killed most of meat eater animals" that says "meat eater animals should be killed".

What about Lions, Tigers, and Bears OH MY!!

They can defend claims of land.

"Wild animals attacking animals" is not a big problem. Humans already killed most of those.

This is a very strange claim. You admit that animals feel depression, just not in the same way as you. However, "not human" does not equal to "no depression". Humans always try to make themselves special, and make their pain more special than the pain of others. The reality is, "the pain of animals" matters irrelevant of if it is the "same pain as yours" or "half as yours".

So one could say that your claim of "difference in pain" is irrelevant even if correct.

To justify the fact that animals can't claim land.

So your saying they can claim land

, but it doesn't matter because there dying, and that problem will be solved.

Wild animals that are meat eaters cant claim land due to their low number. 

No. I literally claimed the opposite. What I claimed was "wild animals that are meat eaters wont be a problem due to their low number."

Are you unaware of the fact that humans have already killed great majority of meat eating animals and already reduced their numbers greatly?

Yes they can. Bears live in a cave. They claimed that land, because they have the power to do that. It can be taken away, but they still claimed it.

Exactly. So you care about giving the freedom to Herbivores, but not Carnivores, who have an instinct to kill and eat meat.

That's where we differ. Humans don't try to make themselves special. We already are special. There is biological, and psychological proof of this.

Why don't you just start an animal lives matter rally, and go have lunch with the vegan teacher at Mcdonalds

So if I understood you correctly, you say: "Pain of a cow doesnt matter".

If we are getting something useful out of it, then yes.

"Useful" is highly questionable.

We already know that we can live without meat.

Further, cows produce much less food per acre than plants.

You can live on "plants and eggs" or "plants and milk" or "plants and insects" or "plants and cheese".

Personally, I chose to live on "plants, milk, cheese, and eggs".

That being said, I dont have anything against eating insects. They are the best in terms of nutrition. But its looked down upon and I cant buy them anywhere, and going around with a net catching them would label me as crazy.

But in order to mass produce eggs, we would have to imprison chickens, and they have rights too, don't they?

And also, for milk, and cheese, we would have to have a lot of cows.........in factory's..........producing milk.

But we aren't going to eat them, so they will spend all their lives producing milk, and then we would have a surplus in cows, and dead cow body's. That is free protein going to waste.

But don't insects have feelings too? What says that they can't have feelings and emotions?