Is sending kids to drag shows pedophillia?

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Debate this.  I should get to see both sides.  
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"Sending" as opposed to "taking them"? 

What definition of pedophilia are you using? How old are the kids being sent to these shows?
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"Sending" as opposed to "taking them"? 
Same thing.

How old are the kids being sent to these shows?
8 years old.
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"Sending" and "taking" are not the same thing, but okay. 

Does anyone have sex with the 8 year old at the show? Does anyone jerk off at the show? Are the children made to blow each other? 

If the answer to any of these is no, then no, it's not the same. Pedophilia has nothing inherently to do with drag shows and vice versa. 
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I did see this video where an 8 year old was told to fondle a drag show person’s crotch and they did so not knowing what they were doing.
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Seeing as how these drag queens in dragshow story hour keep getting exposed for previous legal troubles around SA and pedophilia than I would say yes
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What is the purported point of the dragshow readings? to introduce kids to different viewpoints or something? 8 year olds are what, second graders? When I was in the second grade our Principal would come into your class dressed as a woman if the whole class met their reading goals. It was funny and not taken seriously, especially because he kept his moustache. Children will be entertained by drag.

Ulterior motives on the part of the drag queens is possible, but the same could be said of anyone doing a reading to children. A background check similar to what substitute teachers, DARE officers, etc., go through probably wouldn't hurt, but it shouldn't be specifically applied to drag queens.
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I think this depends on adults who are there, not on the drag show itself.
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It is pedophilia. Have you seen the videos?

The drag queens showing there naked bodys on stage to children is illegal. Pedophilia, and sexual abuse are different things. These guys are pedophiles. Its like exposing little kids to live porn shows. It is not ok. Anyone who says that it is is demented, and a pedophile themselves.
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Why would ANYONE go to a drag show? If you like feminine stereotypes so much, just go somewhere else with actual women.
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Why would ANYONE go to a drag show?
By that I am talking about viewers, not the participators. If the participators have such a hobby, let them do it. It is just that I am baffled at how popular it is versus how it should be, it is almost like there "IS" an agenda to push us into TV and consumerism further in another front, and that, if anything, is what we need to watch out for.

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Levels of stupidity and prejudice in this thread surpass my expectations.

The thread's title is clearly semantically defunct anyway, an event cannot be an attraction. As for what happens at these events, be specific to the action and the answer will appear for itself.

It is okay to state that you don't want children exposed to something that isn't specifically pedophilic because of what you think it does to them psychologically and spiritually. That is acceptable for you to claim, at the very least. It is not okay to say because you don't like how those in drag dance and act that they are actually being pedophilic.

It is extremely important to understand the accusation you are making and how utterly serious it is if true. You can oppose the events, you can oppose it allowing people below a certain age and all of that but you are using a very severe word and need to understand what you are really saying.
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  • Why would ANYONE go to a drag show? If you like feminine stereotypes so much, just go somewhere else with actual women.
Been to a few drag shows. They are funny as hell. Usually it's basically male comedians who dress up as women
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I guess the parents who bring kids to drag shows is of something fault, although definitely not pedophilia. Nor are the actor/actresses at the drag show. Drag shows are aimed towards older people and they did not intend to taint younger minds unintendedly. Drag shows, although I am of no appeal towards it, clearly is a good entertainment for reasons to some people, which should not include anyone before puberty(). The actors/actresses are not doing anything "wrong" if they act in a show with children on the stadium.


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As long as there are no sexual organs on display, then it's no different to what everyone is exposed to on social media these days.

I bet that most 8 year olds already know what a drag queen is.
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I did see this video where an 8 year old was told to fondle a drag show person’s crotch and they did so not knowing what they were doing.
I saw a video once of a Santa clause getting a hard on while a 5 year old sat on his lap. Yet I’m pretty sure you would dismiss that outright as a one off and not representative of what Santa Clauses are all about.

Why then, do you fail to recognize the same with regards to drag?

The drag queens showing there naked bodys on stage to children is illegal.
That’s not what a drag show is

Pedophilia, and sexual abuse are different things. These guys are pedophiles.
Please provide the data which shows that drag queens are pedophiles. Somehow I suspect you have none.

It’s like exposing little kids to live porn shows. It is not ok. Anyone who says that it is is demented, and a pedophile themselves.
Or, it could be that the person making such characterizations has no idea what drag is and is instead just interpreting them through their own bigotry colored glasses.
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Have you been to an actual drag show?
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Do you think it's ok to have female stripper story hour?
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Do you think it's ok to have female stripper story hour?
I am 95% sure that it will turn out like this, first the story teller tells the kids "Study hard, don't be like me" but elaborate, and 5% of girls still want to be like her and either are forced to give it up or flunk school in the future.

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Do you think it's ok to have female stripper story hour?
Please elucidate the educational value and we can discuss, but if the implication is that a stripper gets naked while telling stories to children, then no, and no one thinks so. Working up a straw man, I see. 
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I was kinda heading in the direction of Intelligence's response, not the garbage you posted.

Working up a straw man, I see. 
You literally just did in your post what you accused me of doing. Typical Democrat.
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I don’t think it qualifies as pedophilia, as I don’t see that being a motivation for it. I think it certainly qualifies as a particularly radical form of ideological indoctrination of children. Ah, I can hear the simplistic, knee jerk retorts already… “you mean, like religion?!” (Not necessarily talking about you, TheUnderdog)
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That’s not what a drag show is
Sure they aren't nude, but pulling back your underwear to show your buthole to kids, is pretty close. Also saying your giving the kids a snack, and lifting your breasts is also pedophilia.

Please provide the data which shows that drag queens are pedophiles. Somehow I suspect you have none.
Not all drag queens. Some drag queens are against pedophilia to kids, and call it out. But the ones in these videos are the pedophiles. 
I'm not saying we should ban drag queens, but we should ban kids from going to there shows. The whole point of a drag show is to sexualize. It is illegal to sexualize kids. 

Or, it could be that the person making such characterizations has no idea what drag is and is instead just interpreting them through their own bigotry colored glasses.
Not strait up porn, but pretty close to it. They talk about spit and lube, but plugs and things like that to KIDS.

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Sure they aren't nude, but pulling back your underwear to show your buthole to kids, is pretty close. Also saying you’re giving the kids a snack, and lifting your breasts is also pedophilia.
Do you have any evidence that this kind of behavior is anything remotely prevalent at drag shows? Or did you just find one clip on YouTube of one drag queen engaging is such behavior and decided that you had all you needed to vilify the entire community?

Not all drag queens. Some drag queens are against pedophilia to kids, and call it out. But the ones in these videos are the pedophiles.
If I provided you a list of people who dressed up as Santa Clause who were later found to be pedophiles would you support banning all children from sitting on Santa Clause’s lap everywhere? Would you actively speak out against the entire industry as if it were built on pedophilia?

The whole point of a drag show is to sexualize.
Have you ever been to a drag show? Do you know anything about drag that you didn’t learn on Fox News or from some angry pastors rant at church?
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Do you think hooter girls should be doing story time with the kids?
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Do you have any evidence that this kind of behavior is anything remotely prevalent at drag shows? Or did you just find one clip on YouTube of one drag queen engaging is such behavior and decided that you had all you needed to vilify the entire community?
......did you even read what I said.

 And I quote: Not all drag queens. Some drag queens are against pedophilia to kids, and call it out. But the ones in these videos are the pedophiles. 

And if you look up, Dallas "Family Friendly" Drag Queen Show, then you will have all the proof that you need. 

If I provided you a list of people who dressed up as Santa Clause who were later found to be pedophiles would you support banning all children from sitting on Santa Clause’s lap everywhere? Would you actively speak out against the entire industry as if it were built on pedophilia?
Depends on what they did during the time they were dressed up as Santa Clause. And those specific people should be incarcerated, not the whole industry. 
Funny how you assume that I am saying all drag queens should be locked up. I am not saying that at all.

Have you ever been to a drag show? Do you know anything about drag that you didn’t learn on Fox News or from some angry pastors rant at church?
Then what's the point of a Drag Show?
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Then what's the point of a Drag Show?
To demonstrate that no matter how someone identifies their own gender, they are not an inherent threat to anyone or anything, they don't impinge on society in some way, they're not to be feared, they're just people like everyone else. The idea is not TOLERANCE, it's ACCEPTANCE. This country is about your freedom to do as you please, provided "as you please" doesn't illegally encroach on "as I please." If that "as you please" included identifying and living your life as a gender other than the one you were born with, then who cares, literally, at all. Demonstrating this to children helps them understand that a person = a person. It's not to show your butthole to a child or somehow "pedophilia" which is a category error. A show is a show. A "philia" is an affinity or desire or compulsion.

I promise you, though, per capita more children have been abused by clergy in the last year than have been abused at drag shows in the last hundred. Do you also get equally disgusted by priests and churches? Should we, as a society, ban children from going to church, because of how much abuse, DOCUMENTED and legally adjudicated, there has been over the last let's just take 50 years?
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Since most of the Clergy is gay, I approve.
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Your statement implies you think children should be kept away from gay people, full stop, is that accurate?

"Since most of the clergy is gay" is what you wrote. This would make the "gay" part the important bit. Unsurprisingly, this ignores how many girls have been abused by clergy, and not just women clergy. 
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For the most part, child abuse is more closely related to being in a position of authority rather than specific desires. 

Clergy are most certainly in a position of authority, as are drag queens when vulnerable children are ordered to accept them by teachers abusing their authority.