The winners are:
(All voters) $50 Mikal
(Wylted voters) $25 GreyParrot
Selection done by random selection (screenshots in discord)
Wylted $50 giveaway
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I have screenshots of some interesting things too, in discord. :)
I will contact grey parrot if Mikal does not contact me I will donate his money
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@PREZ-HILTON
Give him 3 days - and if not I can respin.
Got it
He isn't on the site often, but he might pop back in
Apparently this is controversial so I am going to donate the money if both these people refuse to contact me soon and I will provide evidence
It is odd that people found this to be an issue.
I find that this helps the site by encouraging people to stay here. It makes the site more attractive to new users.
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@Best.Korea
It is odd that people found this to be an issue.I find that this helps the site by encouraging people to stay here. It makes the site more attractive to new users.
*person*
Anyone with a well functioning brain can see the issue, only Austin and I spoke up about it though.
Anyone with a well functioning brain can see the issue
I see no issue with "More users on the site" and "Making site more attractive".
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@Best.Korea
You forgot to change accounts
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@Best.Korea
I see no issue with "More users on the site" and "Making site more attractive".
I do, however, see an issue with "bribing people in order to influence a democratic process."
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@AustinL0926
Politician says they will enact policy that helps a specific part of America,
Seems 'similar to me.
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@Lemming
There's a big difference between favorable policy and bribery. Indeed, it's even been enumerated in US law: bribery is a criminal offense.
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@AustinL0926
I do, however, see an issue with "bribing people in order to influence a democratic process."
Is a misleading claim.
"Influence a democratic process" does not mean "destroy a democratic process".
It also does not mean "forcing someone to vote in a certain way".
In the end, it is the free choice of voters to vote whoever they think will benefit them and the site the most.
That brings us back to the claims "More users on the site" and "Making site more attractive" as being important when considering decisions.
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@Best.Korea
I disagree with your "ends justify the means" arguments.
Yes, influencing a democratic process through bribery can be used to accomplish positive things. However, it can also accomplish the converse. Giving gift cards to everyone who votes a certain way could lead to a small minority (the bribers) imposing their views on the majority (people who otherwise would not have voted unless bribed, and people who disagree with the motion). Obviously, a minority having more power than the majority, is, by definition, undemocratic.
Nevertheless, I respect your opinion, because this is a democratic website :)
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@AustinL0926
bribery is a criminal offense
Is a false claim.
"Voting in US elections" is irrelevant to "Voting on DebateArt".
Further, if we are to encourage "More users on the site", it is very questionable if replicating US elections would help us at all.
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@Best.Korea
First of all, it's not a false claim, unless you wanna take it up with the legal system. I believe you meant "non sequitur."
Second of all, I wasn't suggesting that bribery on DART was a criminal offense - I was merely using an analogue of previous precedent in order to show how bribery in a democratic process is generally a negative thing.
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@AustinL0926
I disagree with your "ends justify the means" arguments.
Yes, you do.
Yes, influencing a democratic process through bribery can be used to accomplish positive things.However, it can also accomplish the converse.
If by "positive things" you mean "will of majority", then it can only accomplish positive things.
Giving gift cards to everyone who votes a certain way could lead to a small minority (the bribers) imposing their views on the majority (people who otherwise would not have voted unless bribed, and people who disagree with the motion).
Is a misleading claim. "Imposing" does not equal to "forcing" in your claim.
"Would not have voted unless bribed" does not negate the claim "It was their choice". The claim "It was the choice of majority" remains true. Hence, the democracy is unharmed.
Obviously, a minority having more power than the majority, is, by definition, undemocratic.
Is a misleading claim. "Minority having more power than the majority" is not a true claim in your argument. "bribing majority" does not negate "choice of majority", irrelevant if bribe is money or promises.
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@AustinL0926
First of all, it's not a false claim, unless you wanna take it up with the legal system. I believe you meant "non sequitur."
Is a false claim. Unless you admit that your claim "bribery is a criminal offense" is irrelevant to bribery we talk about. In that case, I would like to ask you to place "this is irrelevant" next to your claim next time when you post something irrelevant.
I wasn't suggesting that bribery on DART was a criminal offense
Since you admit that your claim is irrelevant, I will dismiss it.
I was merely using an analogue of previous precedent in order to show how bribery in a democratic process is generally a negative thing.
"Using law to prove what is good" means having it backwards. You are supposed to prove whats good and then make it a law. You are supposed to prove why specific law is good for DebateArt.
I will wait for you to do that.
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@Best.Korea
Since we clearly don't see eye to eye on this, why not put your opinions in the arena? You can challenge me to a debate with a resolution like, "On balance, bribery that benefits DART should be allowed" or something.
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@AustinL0926
Fair point,
And true people often view it negatively.
Since we clearly don't see eye to eye on this, why not put your opinions in the arena?
If you happen to make one such debate, I could accept it maybe. I probably wont. I will probably just comment on it.
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@AustinL0926
I was merely using an analogue of previous precedent in order to show how bribery in a democratic process is generally a negative thing.
The majority literally elects people based on their promises to rob the minority. Meaning they offer voters free shit.
Vote me for free education
Vote me for free healthcare
Vote me for free Britney
Democracy is bribery and I will end it on Dart if I am able with the exception of the presidential election
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@PREZ-HILTON
Not sure if you have but I would re spin. Give it to a more active member
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@Mikal
Will do or will donate. I will figure it out on payday. Thanks for getting in touch