DEMOCRATS should NOMINATE LIZ CHENEY for SPEAKER of the HOUSE TOMORROW

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THBT: DEMOCRATS should NOMINATE LIZ CHENEY for SPEAKER of the HOUSE TOMORROW

  • The rules do not require the Speaker to be a current member of Congress.
  • If all Democrats voted for Cheney, only 6 Republicans would be needed and I'm pretty sure there's more than 6 Republicans who would support Cheney.
  • She was recently third ranking member in the Republican Caucus so she is familiar with the position and its responsibilities.
  • Cheney would be a complete end-run around BOTH feckless McCarthyites and dangerous insurrectionists but pleasing to Conservatives.
    • Cheney would absolutely know how to manage and support the Conservative Republican agenda but she would have no truck with the insurrectionists or MAGA and she would likely block any frivolous investigations into the Jan 6th committee or its findings.
    • As a non House Member, Cheney would not have a vote but she would represent true Republicanism and be a serious, patriotic stand-in if both the President and VP were unexpectedly unable to lead.
    • Nobody would be really happy with Cheney, which suggests a good compromise for a split parliament.

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The rules do not require the Speaker to be a current member of Congress
I had no idea that was an option, but if it really is, this post is genius.


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 she would likely block any frivolous investigations into the Jan 6th committee or its findings.
The truth does not fear investigation. 
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I had no idea that was an option, but if it really is, this post is genius.
It is true. Nothing in the Constitution states that the Speaker has to be a member. In fact there are no qualifications. I’m pretty sure you could be the Speaker
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  • If all Democrats voted for Cheney, only 6 Republicans would be needed and I'm pretty sure there's more than 6 Republicans who would support Cheney.
That’s political suicide. You don’t want to be the enemy of Kevin McCarthy as a moderate Republican by voting for Liz Cheney with the Dems lol
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 You don’t want to be the enemy of Kevin McCarthy
  • McCarthy doesn't seem like much of a threat.  
    • We have him on tape in 2015 telling Paul Ryan that he thinks Donald Trump is a Russian agent and what did he do about it?
    • We have him on tape on Jan 6th blaming Trump for the attack and stating that he's no longer fit to lead.  A week later he's down in Mar-a-Lago begging for his support.
      • McCarthy can't even bring himself to condemn the insurrectionists who tried to overthrow his govt and now are trying to overthrow him.  That seems quite soft.
    • Pundits are saying that if McCarthy doesn't make Speaker, he doesn't plan to server out the rest of his term. 

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  • McCarthy doesn't seem like much of a threat.  
    • We have him on tape in 2015 telling Paul Ryan that he thinks Donald Trump is a Russian agent and what did he do about it?
    • We have him on tape on Jan 6th blaming Trump for the attack and stating that he's no longer fit to lead.  A week later he's down in Mar-a-Lago begging for his support.
      • McCarthy can't even bring himself to condemn the insurrectionists who tried to overthrow his govt and now are trying to overthrow him.  That seems quite soft.
    • Pundits are saying that if McCarthy doesn't make Speaker, he doesn't plan to server out the rest of his term. 
He will resign like Boehner for sure. But if he’s still the Leader of the Party, then it’ll be hard
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A bold idea of unusual thought.

Cons, for Democrats,
She still isn't aligned with the Democrats in policies/values.
She 'could revitalize the Republican Party. That the Democrats plans are stalled.

Pros, for Democrats,
She could fracture the Republican Party. That the Democrats can push their values easier.
She could revitalize the Republican Party. That the Democrats and Republicans work together healthy again.

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He will resign like Boehner for sure. But if he’s still the Leader of the Party, then it’ll be hard
  • Sounds like Jim Jordan is a goner too after this Sports Illustrated/HBO documentary comes out detailing what he knew when about at least 350 sex assaults on male athletes at Ohio State while Jim Jordan was coaching there for 8 years.

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She still isn't aligned with the Democrats in policies/values.
  • Far from it but it's not like Dems are going to get that alignment as long GOP outnumbers Dems in the House, right?
  • Besides the obvious nod to bi-partisanship, it would be seen as a reward for courageously demanding the truth about the Jan 6th and putting American Democracy before personal poltical profit.  I doubt Cheney would appoint radicals to chair committees but she would certainly appoint solid pre-Trump style Republican conservatives.  Cheney's appointment would certainly gain some good will from the Romney/Bush wing of Republican politics.

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  • Far from it but it's not like Dems are going to get that alignment as long GOP outnumbers Dems in the House, right?
  • I say that but now I'm hearing that at least some of the holdouts will vote Jeffries before McCarthy.  Dems only need six so that seems at least at the margin of possibility right now.

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pleasing to Conservatives.
I'd be okay with it, but 95% of Conservatives would be outraged. The only thing worse than a Democrat is a RINO.
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He will resign like Boehner for sure. But if he’s still the Leader of the Party, then it’ll be hard
  • Sounds like Jim Jordan is a goner too after this Sports Illustrated/HBO documentary comes out detailing what he knew when about at least 350 sex assaults on male athletes at Ohio State while Jim Jordan was coaching there for 8 years.
Oh pulease, you are talking about the party of Donald Trump and Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Greene and George Santos, in the GOP the greater the scandal the greater the popularity.  That Sports Illustrated/HBO documentary will be a fundraiser for Jim Jordan.
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Most establishment Democrats would never vote for a traitor, even if she is supposedly on their side as they would never trust her. Liz Cheney most likely wouldn't get the required votes. Her role on the Jan 6 committee has and always was the role of a disposable useful idiot where the only reward for Cheney was a chance to satisfy her personal vendettas. The Democrats will always back someone who can stay bought and loyal over a traitor. (for example, AOC and the squad who rubberstamped Pelosi without a fight)

It would be amazingly hard to get any of them to swap their Hakeem vote for her.

Even McCarthy can't get any votes from the Democrats as it is despite offering real concessions.
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The only thing worse than a Democrat is a RINO.
I'm not sure Cheney could be elevated to the level of RINO as she isn't part of the party according to Wyoming GOP.

She would have to have the name before being called a RINO sellout.
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I'd be okay with it, but 95% of Conservatives would be outraged. The only thing worse than a Democrat is a RINO.
That's my point.  Dems only need 6 GOP votes to put a stick in the eye of MAGA and McCarthy.  6 votes is less than 5% of the Republican caucus.

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It just goes go show you how willing Republicans are  to betray their constituents 
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This is the "Democracy" we thought was under threat from one guy.
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This is the "Democracy" we thought was under threat from one guy.
Imagine how many good conservatives McCarthy defeated in the primary. A lot of the 20 are first time members; they would’ve had more.
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Of course, if McCarthy had just expelled the members of Congress who tried to overthrow government on Jan 6th, Republicans would be in power right now.  Another lesson in appeasing violent fascists.  If McCarthy had impeached Trump for the same, DeSantis would be running for President right now.
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 In fact there are no qualifications. I’m pretty sure you could be the Speaker
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Of course, if McCarthy had just expelled the members of Congress who tried to overthrow government on Jan 6th, Republicans would be in power right now. 
You realize that’s political suicide right?

Another lesson in appeasing violent fascists.  If McCarthy had impeached Trump for the same, DeSantis would be running for President right now.
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Let’s keep giving billions to Ukraine while our veterans suffer. Hell ya
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Let’s keep giving billions to Ukraine while our veterans suffer. Hell ya
Ukraine is almost out of enough people and money by now to return to the exact same Minsk agreement they broke in 2014.

It only took hundreds of billions dollars and 250k killed to go back in time like Marty McFly.
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Everyone forgets that the Russian strategy since forever is to keep throwing people until the enemy is overwhelmed 

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Even if that's true from an abstract sense of justice, it furthers the political divide and wastes political funds and time. 
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How would it further political divide to do a full investigation so that way the answers can be clear cut and unanimous?

Wouldn't it further divide more by behaving in a manner consistent with what those engaged in a cover up would do? 
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1. We've crossed a divide point where Republicans (as a party, there are individual exceptions) won't allow another Republican to look bad. January 6th is the proof of that. This means that, to heal the divide, we have to move past things of this nature. To be fair, this can't be the only step, and would require election reform and might even be debatably impossible under current ideological differences, the partisan difference reflecting this ideological one. This also works on the notion that everyone wants to preserve liberal democracy.

2. No. The cover-up justifies further action if the goal of the Republican party (once again, as a party and not the individual goals of certain individuals) is to subvert liberal democracy. If that's the goal, then we're lost no matter what. If that isn't the goal, only a risk ignoring the event doesn't further radicalize the Republicans and allows us to come back to a central point.
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No. The cover-up justifies further action if the goal of the Republican party (once again, as a party and not the individual goals of certain individuals) is to subvert liberal democracy. If that's the goal, then we're lost no matter what. If that isn't the goal, only a risk ignoring the event doesn't further radicalize the Republicans and allows us to come back to a central point.
Liberal Democracy isn't as good as it's made out to be. It wouldn't necessarily be a total loss.
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I agree, personally. The Republicans, however, are going to create a fascist or right-wing authoritarian state. I would say that is uniquely worse.