Woman destroys liberal anti-trump narrative in 1min & 38 seconds

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IMHO aspirant dictators don't reduce regulations, cut taxes, hold billionaires accountable, deregulate and boost the private sector economy, cut the size of government, and then step down after losing election. 
Napolean did all of this except that he stepped down after his senior generals mutinied and refused to  command his army anymore.  If there had been an election, Napolean would almost certainly have won and Paris would likely have been occupied by the Sixth Coalition.
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Napolean did all of this
Napoleon definitely is not considered a dictator. As per the Napoleon Foundation:

It is generally agreed that the regime installed by Napoleon was authoritarian. But simply calling it a dictatorship seems excessive. The presence of opposing powers, the strength of the principles limiting the action of the executive and the circumstances themselves all restricted the leader’s room for action.
Source: 

Moreover, The History Channel says:
Napoleon worked to restore stability to post-revolutionary France. He centralized the government; instituted reforms in such areas as banking and education; supported science and the arts; and sought to improve relations between his regime and the pope (who represented France’s main religion, Catholicism), which had suffered during the revolution. One of his most significant accomplishments was the Napoleonic Code, which streamlined the French legal system and continues to form the foundation of French civil law to this day.

In 1802, a constitutional amendment made Napoleon first consul for life. Two years later, in 1804, he crowned himself emperor of France in a lavish ceremony at the Cathedral of Notre Dame in Paris.
He was an emperor for sure, but certainly not a dictator. Every single king or emperor in global history was not a dictator, but many were. Napoleon was simply an emperor, not a dictator.
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Public, you really are a very dishonest abuser of sources.  You don't seem to be capable of recognizing objectivity or sources that don't agreee with your point of view.

Napoleon definitely is not considered a dictator. As per the Napoleon Foundation:
  • How many objective sources did you have to reject to find that anti-history?
  • Oh, so napoleon.org thinks" Dictator" is a bit too harsh?  I notice if you ask hitler.org if Hitler was a dictator they similarly defer "No biased judgments, slanderous labels or childish name calling exist here as they do in most of the writings on this topic."
  • BRITTANICA.COM: "Bonaparte imposed a dictatorship on France, but its true character was at first disguised by the constitution of the year VIII (4 Nivôse, year VIII; December 25, 1799), drawn up by Sieyès."
  • WIKIPEDIA.COM: " The constitution preserved the appearance of a republic but, in reality, established a dictatorship"
  • WASHINGTON POST: "Napoleon, who died 200 years ago, was a power-hungry dictator who championed education and freedom of religion."
  • BIOGRAPHY.COM: "Dictators, including Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Napoleon and Kim Jong-un, reveal what happens when one person is given unchecked power."
  • HISTORY CHANNEL:  "By 1799, he had established himself at the top of a military dictatorship."
  • NAPOLEON.ORG:  "With Napoleon more than with any other, actions are sovereign. “I am entirely at the whim of the dictatorship of the event” he used to say. But this did not stop him from seeking in law and principles the justification for his presence in government and, for his descendants, the continuation of his dynasty."
  • THOMAS JEFFERSON: "A ruthless tyrant, drenching Europe in blood to obtain through future time the character of the destroyer of mankind.
  • THE COUNCIL of 500:  "Bonaparte s’impatiente et décide d’intervenir. Il tient un discours maladroit devant le Conseil des Cinq-Cents, discours hué par les députés qui l’accusent de vouloir instaurer la dictature."  The representatives are literally screaming "dictator" at Napoleon as he marches his troop into their parliament.

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Trump wasn't a dictator.

He was just a tad not clever or sophisticated enough to represent the U.S. on the World Stage.

OK for simple gun toting backwoods American folk in their red caps. (Only jesting)

But a laugh at the G20.

And a tad too overtly corrupt perhaps.
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Modeling photos ≠ prostitution 
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He was just a tad not clever or sophisticated enough to represent the U.S. on the World Stage.

Welp... Under his leadership, Russia didn't attack anyone, ISIS was nearly demolished, NATO paid their fair share, the Middle East signed the Abraham Accords, countries revised their tariffs, he negotiated a brand new trade agreement with Mexico and Canada, and he got foreign countries to invest hundreds of billions of dollars into the United States and sign contracts for hundreds of billions more. And he did all of this in just 3 years.

How much more should he have done to be considered "clever or sophisticated enough"?
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Without citing the links I have no odea if you are making this all up. Also, Wikipedia and Washington Post are about as reliable as Russia Today.
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The absurdity of this woman’s rant became apparent within the first 20 seconds.

She begins by asking if Trump sent the FBI to arrest Obama would the left hand called him a dictator.

First of all, there is no evidence at all that Joe Biden had anything whatsoever to do with the FBI search, so she has already failed.

Second and more importantly, if Obama had stolen classified documents no serious person on the left would take issue with him being arrested for it.

This is one of those things that never ceases to amaze me about Trump. It reminds me of dealing with a toddler; they do something bad so they get a spanking, but then they get mad at the parent for spanking them. They haven’t developed that ability yet to connect their actions to the consequences of said actions. Whatever consequences they face are entirely the fault of those imposing them, and whatever behavior lead to them ceases to exist once completed.

This is what arguing with Trump defenders is like. Trump steals top secret government documents, blame the FBI for searching his residence. Trump tries to extort a foreign nation into slandering his political opponent, blame the democrats for impeaching him. Trump leads his followers to attack the US Capitol and does nothing while the attack was underway, blame the democrats for trying to stop him from running again. Trump’s actions just do not matter, how dare the democrats oppose him. How dare the media reports on all the insane things he’s said and done. How dare his own advisers throw him under the bus under oath. Nothing is ever Trump’s fault, his behavior ceases to exist once completed.
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I think that most democrats don't like Trump, because he said things no one else was willing to say. And he did things that no one else was willing to do.
Agreed. No one else was willing to call Mexicans rapists or call for the banning of all Muslims. No one else was willing to wage an all out war on the free press and label them “the enemy of the people”. No one else was willing to rally up their own supporters to attack the US Capitol because they were mad they lost.

The problem is not that he was willing to do or say things no one else would, the problem is the reason why no one else was willing to do or say those things.
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Here’s a good reply to the question:

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Second and more importantly, if Obama had stolen classified documents no serious person on the left would take issue with him being arrested for it.
ROTFLMAO!!!!! 

You’re fucking delusional and utterly naively in denial. 

First “black” President and you sit there typing with a straight face believing “no one on the left” would take issue with his joke being raided  and him being arrested!?! 

How do you expect anyone in this forum to take you seriously anymore after posting that completely ignorant bullshit statement??? 



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Agreed. No one else was willing to call Mexicans rapists or call for the banning of all Muslims.

He never said “all” Mexicans were rapists. You clearly don’t know a damn thing about their machismo laced culture and the FACT male Mexicans do have a predilection for sexual assault of young girls and young women. Look at any jail/prison inmate record and most of the Mexicans/Latinos in jail/prison are charged with just  that, and more. Hell, in the jail in the county I used to work for nearly every one of them in our system were charged with sex crimes. 

Also, he never said “all” Muslims either. 

TDS much? 


No one else was willing to wage an all out war on the free press and label them “the enemy of the people”.


Well, they are the enemy of the people and that’s been firmly established over the past six years. He isn’t wrong. 



No one else was willing to rally up their own supporters to attack the US Capitol because they were mad they lost.
At no time did he ever order, direct or insinuate his “supporters” to attack the capital. Fucking moron. You want a clear example of what actual incitement is of getting people to attack others and their institutions: Maxine Waters, just to name one. And that trans activist who was recently raked over the coals in a congressional hearing for tweeting similar incitements directed at ScOTUS justices over the reversal of Roe. 

The problem is not that he was willing to do or say things no one else would, the problem is the reason why no one else was willing to do or say those things.
Yeah, cause those not willing to say those things are the very people who support those things. Idiot. 
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the problem is the reason why no one else was willing to do or say those things.
100% agree. It's a problem when concerned people are too afraid to reform a corrupt and incompetent government. Censorship takes many forms. The fear of having one's words deliberately misrepresented discourages people from speaking out on a great many real problems. People should not have to endure this harassment while attempting to address an oppressive and aloof government that works against them instead of for them. It's also a real threat to Democracy, as is any form of censorship.
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Agreed. No one else was willing to call Mexicans rapists or call for the banning of all Muslims
That's just not true. The rape comment he said that there are many rapists and other criminals who illegally immigrate to America. You will not find a quote where he said most of all illegal immigrants are rapists. 

He never called for a ban on Muslims. His refuge ban targeted countries that were statistically most likely to send terrorists. Nowhere in his van is the word Muslim even used. Many Muslim countries were not in the ban because they had a low likelihood of sending terrorists.

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I would also be very careful about slinging praise for corporate media by awarding them the accolade of "the free press"

It's pretty clear that corporate media has their own agendas, and depending on the outlet, speech is extremely restricted on what you can talk about.
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Most of the people in America suffer from the Mandela effect where they remember Trump saying things he NEVER said, only because of malicious hearsay and gossip being reported as fact through coordinated repetition. That alone should debunk any notion of a free and fair press.
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That's just not true. The rape comment he said that there are many rapists and other criminals who illegally immigrate to America. You will not find a quote where he said most of all illegal immigrants are rapists. 
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people”
- Donald J Trump 8/31/16

 “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best” Is a pretty blanket statement. No it doesn’t mean every single one but that wasn’t the insinuation. If I said black people are lazy that doesn’t mean you can’t find one non lazy black person, that’s common sense. We tend to speak in generalizations not in absolutes.

But that last sentence is the most telling: “some I assume are good people”. This is English 101; “I assume” is a qualifier you put in front of a statement to communicate that you aren’t fully sure that you’re saying is accurate. So he needed that qualifier when it came to saying that some were good people but not when it came to telling us these people coming over were rapists and criminals.

Your interpretation is not what came out of his mouth.

He never called for a ban on Muslims.
Complete and utter bullshit to which there is no excuse.

“I Donald J Trump am calling for a complete and total shut down of Muslims entering the United States”
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the problem is the reason why no one else was willing to do or say those things.
100% agree. It's a problem when concerned people are too afraid to reform a corrupt and incompetent government. 
That’s not what I was talking about genius. This concocted fantasy of government censorship is fairly new. In the real world, the backlash people face when saying such stupid and horrendous things is felt through the media, corporations, social media, you know… all of society. But Trump gave the deplorables permission to feel like they could say whatever they wanted, so concepts like respecting your fellow human beings and respecting democracy itself were no longer things we should all agree on.

So those folks can continue voting for Trump or others like him who don’t care about these basic ideas and the rest of us will move on and focus on trying to build a better society. 
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Do you believe a free and fair press should punish a person for free speech they do not agree with?

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step down after losing election. 
Is that what he did? Yes, he lost the election but you would never hear Trump say that. He did not step down, he fled to Florida.

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Is Trump still the President?
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Also, related to the topic of "not sending their best"

I believe the incident of the Martha's Vineyard imports solidified the similar view from the liberal left.
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Agreed. No one else was willing to call Mexicans rapists or call for the banning of all Muslims. No one else was willing to wage an all out war on the free press and label them “the enemy of the people”. No one else was willing to rally up their own supporters to attack the US Capitol because they were mad they lost.
He didn't call all Mexicans rapists, he called the illegal immigrant's rapists, because some of them were, and they were crossing the border illegally. I mean yes sure, he could have just stopped doing things at the border, and let people flood in and ruin our security, like the Biden administration is doing. 

And as for Muslims, he called for a complete shutdown, of Muslims entering the US. The ones that were already in the U.S. would have been fine. 

And no, even though you can keep repeating it over and over again, Trump did not incite January 6. It was only a conspiracy. The only evidence that they have of Trump doing that, is the way he was......looking at the crowd? How stupid is that?

Next time you post these things, you need to go deeper into the facts, and not just read the headlines, like:
Trump calls all Mexicans rapists
Trump tries to ban all Muslims

You really need to not listen to just headlines.

Trump has done some really stupid stuff. He has in some ways, ruined our economy, but went back and fixed and grew it. 
He made some dumb decisions, in choices of words, but overall, he ran an amazing presidency. 

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First “black” President and you sit there typing with a straight face believing “no one on the left” would take issue with his joke being raided  and him being arrested!?! 

How do you expect anyone in this forum to take you seriously anymore after posting that completely ignorant bullshit statement???
Let’s start with what I actually said:

“Second and more importantly, if Obama had stolen classified documents no serious person on the left would take issue with him being arrested for it.”

Perhaps English isn’t your first language so I’ll translate. “No serious person” does not mean “no one. “Serious” had to be thrown in there because there are always going to be morons out there arguing any position that can be conceived. When we have good faith conversations we tend not to talk about those individuals because they are irrelevant to the broader picture.

It’s also interesting how you put quotes around that line. Again, maybe English is still new to you but when you use quotes that normally means you’re repeating what the other person said verbatim.

Oh, sorry, verbatim means word for word.

He never said “all” Mexicans were rapists.
Neither did I, so what’s your point?

Also, he never said “all” Muslims either.
No, he said “complete and total” with regards to not letting them in the country. Google the definitions if you need further assistance translating.

At no time did he ever order, direct or insinuate his “supporters” to attack the capital.
Funny, his supporters who attacked the Capitol all seem to disagree with you.

TDS much?
Clearly. It just doesn’t mean what you think it does.

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 “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best” Is a pretty blanket statement. No it doesn’t mean every single one but that wasn’t the insinuation. If I said black people are lazy that doesn’t mean you can’t find one non lazy black person, that’s common sense. We tend to speak in generalizations not in absolutes.
It isn't a blanket statement. It merely means there are some criminals in the mix it does not say a majority or anything like that. The statement would still be true if 1 in 500 immigrants were criminals. You can claim there is an insinuation there but that comes from you reading too much into it. If he is openly racist like you state why are you compiling atatements like this and using absurd rationalizations as well as not interpreting it in a generous way. 

Complete and utter bullshit to which there is no excuse.

“I Donald J Trump am calling for a complete and total shut down of Muslims entering the United States”
Yep you cut off the last part which stated it was very temporary until they could figure out how to reduce terrorists from immigrating to the United States. I believe he figured it out fast, never instituted the ban because he figured it out and instead just targeted countries who statistically were more likely to send terrorists. 

An act that would have not only prevented 9-11 but would have prevented most of the reactionary hate brought on Muslims in the wake of 9-11 . So his policies would have reduced hate and terrorism. Seems like good policy
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1min 38sec looks more like 7min 11sec, not to mention being an ad for some clothing brand or something like that... I lost patience and gave up.
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Next time you post these things, you need to go deeper into the facts, and not just read the headlines, like:
Trump calls all Mexicans rapists
Trump tries to ban all Muslims
Please stop with your projection. I just went into detail on each of these. Feel free to read and respond. [post 47]

And no, even though you can keep repeating it over and over again, Trump did not incite January 6. It was only a conspiracy. The only evidence that they have of Trump doing that, is the way he was......looking at the crowd?
The January 6th committee just released an 800 plus page report explaining their evidence. Have you read it? Do you have any clue what’s in it besides what Fox News and OANN told you?

We can sit here going through it page by page, in fact I would love to debate you or anyone else on that, but let’s keep this really really simple… we know he incited the Capitol attack because the people who attacked the Capitol told us so.

This isn’t rocket science.

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If some said a lot of black people are lazy but a lot are also hard working, it would not be racist like you claimed. We don't speak in generalizations. When we state things like males are child molesters we just mean pedophilia is more likely to occur in men. The same thing when you say school shooters are white, you aren't saying all whites are school shooters. You have to have a 2 digit IQ to say that. Now I don't think you are dumb, quite the opposite but you are not interpreting things in a generous way and have to really twist an interpretation of his words to fit your preconceived notions.

Now compare that with Biden doing the following

1. Directly calling black people uncle Tom's if they do not obey him and vote the way he wants
2. Saying that poor children and white children deserve the same schooling
3. At one point I believe he bragged about Delaware being a slave state
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The January 6th committee just released an 800 plus page report explaining their evidence...
Compelling evidence should never take 800 pages to explain. 

For reference, Watergate evidence was presented on one page.

The long form of the committee was a grand total of 9 pages.
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You do realize you can fast forward through the advertising part…

Talk about being lazy 🤦‍♂️