Its because he is sexually attracted to missiles.
the idea that there’s going to be a civil war in the United States any time soon is absurd
Kim’s a girls name.
I really don't see a civil war between the political parties, rather a split from the neo con/lib uniparty rule.I kind of see a similar outcome to what happened to Russia in the 80's where the central planners in Moscow declared bankruptcy, and then allowed people to choose balkanization. How many more years do you think the pentagon will get away with losing 2 trillion dollars?
and gets all the blame.
the division of power
If division of power fails, one should work to establish it again.
But an honest history of America tells us that's not so. The left is a little more pro-gay, a little less pro-affirmative action than it was 50 years ago but in most ways the leftist majority holds the same beliefs they did 50 years ago.
American Leftism is still in good alignment with the politics of Roosevelt and LBJ. Jimmy Carter is still a beloved grand old man within the Democratic Party.
The Republican Party just threw out Liz Cheney, and considers McCain and Romney RINOs with no place in the radically reformatted Republican Party. Bush, Reagan, Nixon have no place in the modern Republican Party. When Barry Goldwater ran for President in '64 he was the absolute extreme Right of acceptable Americanism post-McCarthy and by 1995, that same Goldwater told the GOP" "Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican party much more than the Democrats have." Justice John Paul Stevens often noted that he was appointed in 1975 as the most Conservative member of the Supreme Court and retired in 2010 as the most Liberal member of that same court without ever changing a single political principle.The Right WIng can play "I'm rubber, you're glue" all they want but the fact is that the Right Wing has departed from traditional American values.
There is a pendulum quality to history across centuries, from left to right and back again but there also a decisive leftist narrative. Greece was more liberal than Egypt. Rome was more Liberal than Greece. The Ummayad Caliphate was more liberal than Rome. The Renaissance was more liberal than the Caliphate. The Revolutionaries were more liberal than the Renaissance, etc.
As Martin Luther King noted, “the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” That justice is always more free and more equal and therefore more liberal than the generation before.
Authoritarians seize back power now and again but history and technology and sheer fucking numbers make authoritarianism increasingly less effective and every swing right a little bit shorter.
Obviously false. Look at Biden's recent compromises with Manchin on permitting deals and new oil pipelines. Biden pisses off the Left-wing more than the Right. Pelosi put Cheney in charge of the Jan 6th hearings to make sure that the non-radical Republican party had its say. Only MAGA rejects sharing power, as is evident in the knife fights they are about to have over the Speakership and then the 2024 Nomination.
Only radicals obey the law from fear of force. Most Americans don't aspire to criminal acts and see the police as protective.
That's quite false and quite revealing about your values.
but Georgia is more representative of future demographic trends and swinging left.
20 million few Americans identified as White in 2020 then 2010.12% fewer Americans identify as Christian than ten years ago
The very fact that you are willing to call McCain and Romney "enemies of America" and "the failure of Democracy" demonstrates an fast moving and unsustainable radicalism. These statements are totally out of alignment with American values.
Yeah but only fascists think that way. Liberals know governments can never live up to individual idealism and don't look to government to represent their values.
Liberals wrote the Bill of Rights to prevent exactly that. Liberals don't play that.
Nor is your critique any kind of rebuttal
Obviously false. All of the longest lasting continuous government in the world today are Liberal Republics. Most autocracies die with their dictator- Russia will soon be wanting a new government, for example.
Our Republic is older than the notion of "Whiteness" and will endure long beyond that social construct. There is nothing about America that inherently White or Christian or male.
Capitalism is an economic describing one competitive aspect in human nature. Capitalism exists whether governments want it or not, as Russia and China soon discovered in the 20th century. You can harness competition or you can suppress competition but you can't kill that human instinct any more than you can kill our instinct for charity or teamwork or self-improvement.
You think the American Revolution produced "meager results"?
Damn, you really don't know the first fucking thing about world history, do you?
A Laissez Faire system would if done correctly result in a bunch of small independent business owners, similar to what we had prior to the industrial revolution,
but with less ability to treat workers as terrible as was done back then.
That's a fair criticism and one of the downfalls to conservatism, and at risk of revealing my power level, I think conservatives are valuable allies, but ultimately would lean towards some sort of populist fascism. Being consistently behind liberals by 20 years is a losing strategy.
The conservatism of a person like John Adams is more sustainable but ultimately is becoming extremely rare among conservatives .
So first we would divide red by blue states and then work towards policies that would bring about some sort of technocratic right wing fascism that is a mix of evola style governance and transhumanism.
Me personally. I just try to use the tools of modern society while resisting things that are destructive, such as cutting my dick off, having meaningless sex, doing drugs and letting life pass me by, by using the television and internet as some sort of opium of the masses. I also have a strong revulsion towards consumerism.I wouldn't go back to uphold my ideals. The destructiveness of liberal ideologies is something we have proven we can not tolerate. We showed them freedom of speech and they used it to cancel conservatives and kick them out of the public square for example. We allowed them to use corporations to attack American society with their filth.
In my society, every member would work towards what is best for the country and we would make laws to ensure that happens, but we would have to control culture as well.
Maybe sterilize family lines which are proven to be bad.
Indoctrinate people in schools where the marxists have previously infiltrated and corrupted.
In fact basically take what the CCP has done, but instead of doing it selfishly for themselves and their party, invert it to do what is good for America.
You can just say do what the CCP has done, they too say we are doing it for China...
We’ve talked about this before but the idea that there’s going to be a civil war in the United States any time soon is absurd, and no amount of mean words is going to change that. Democrats and Republicans don’t even have street fights at a large scale in the United States, now they’re going to go to war?
Look at the 1860 election which led to the first attempt at secession. Of the 11 confederate states in ten of them Lincoln, the winner, was not even allowed on the ballot and got ZERO votes. In the one state he was on the ballot, Virginia, he got 1% of the vote. And he WON the election. The reason the split happened was because opposition to Lincoln in the southern states was universal (well…among those who were allowed to participate in the decision making process.) Notably Lincoln got virtually no votes in the slave states that ended up sticking with the union but even a small minority of Lincoln supporters seemed to prevent a state from leaving the union over him. In Virginia where he got 1% of the vote, enough counties who hated the guys guts nonetheless wanted to stick with the union so badly that they ended up creating an entirely new state.Compare this to 2020. In Trumps worst state, Vermont, he got just under 31% of the vote. In Biden’s worst state, Wyoming, he got 26% of the vote. So flip a coin twice, if it lands on the same face both times that’s LESS likely than a randomly selected voter in Vermont or Wyoming going against their state.
On top of that the US of the 1860s was a much different place with much much more poverty, food insecurity, and chronic, uncured disease. Birth and death rates were much higher—the median age of the population was decades younger and the culture matched that. Life was cheap and people had little to lose. Nowadays the people who would only go outside wearing a mask aren’t going to be starting a war any time soon, and the people who don’t even pull their kids out of schools they think are brainwashing them and just angrily post online aren’t going to start killing them. It’s a fantasy
That said the ideal solution for the US is more local/state government. Things seem to be evolving this way naturally as the federal government becomes more incompetent and more hamstrung with ever increasing red tape every year
-->@oromagiBut an honest history of America tells us that's not so. The left is a little more pro-gay, a little less pro-affirmative action than it was 50 years ago but in most ways the leftist majority holds the same beliefs they did 50 years ago.- Although I may not particularly disagree with you, the Right sees it differently.
Practices which are increasingly being adopted by the Liberals weren't a thing shortly prior, albeit the principles & ideals are the same.
Hence, practices such as incest & pedophilia, for instance, will eventually be adopted as well, according to the Liberal ideals.
I strongly doubt they would agree with what this happening today...
What exactly are those traditional values they departed from?
All this is pure drivel. But I'm all ears, tell me exactly in what sense were the ones more liberal than the others?
Justice & Equality are contradictory notions, by definition. To have one is necessarily not to have the other.
Yet, the liberal secular modern West is vastly more authoritarian than virtually any government system in History.
Obviously false. Look at Biden's recent compromises with Manchin on permitting deals and new oil pipelines. Biden pisses off the Left-wing more than the Right. Pelosi put Cheney in charge of the Jan 6th hearings to make sure that the non-radical Republican party had its say. Only MAGA rejects sharing power, as is evident in the knife fights they are about to have over the Speakership and then the 2024 Nomination.- This is childish nonsense.
- Blahblahblah. Law IS force, if you don't like it, then disobey it & see.
T Doesn't change the fact that "American ideals" is a meaningless label. Sure enough, for someone who hold these values so high & dear you incessantly avoid having to defend them in a debate.
You claimed current trends are evidence for future trends
What does that have to do with what I said? Absolutely nothing.
Reason why the West are eager to spread democracy across the world, for it's much easier to interfere with elections & spread propaganda to remove disobedient governments in case of democracy, than to send troops when you have a dictatorship.
I take this as a concession.
You keep forgetting I am not American nor am I bound by American propaganda.
Obviously false. All of the longest lasting continuous government in the world today are Liberal Republics. Most autocracies die with their dictator- Russia will soon be wanting a new government, for example.
What exactly is your idea of long lasting government? The Abbasids lasted 750 years, the Ottomans 600 years...
What does any of this have to do with what I said?!!
World History =/= American History. You people live in a giant bubble, you have absolutely no clue. But you feel you're right, then you might wanna defend your beliefs in a debate, which you keep avoiding.
America is founded on the principle of justice for all, equality as the just state.
How do you reconcile this with industrial systems & processes?
- In what way is it losing? Is this about appeal to the younger generation?
Specifically what & how?
Through state management, state regulation, or self-government?
Transhumanism is the end goal of Liberalism. You sure have some conflicting positions. How do you reconcile this with traditional society?
So you wish to stop at some points in the past regarding particular things like sexual freedom & consumption driven capitalism, but keep the other aspects of present modern life?
You're a lot more liberal than you think... What you just said stems from the assumption that humans act according to a predetermined nature, either automatically or intrinsically. Which, also originates in two more basic principles. One, that Truth does not have an objective reality,
Truth is subjective: whatever is, is as you believe it is, & hence you act according to what is true to you, your true self, your predetermined nature.
Two, that Morality has no higher reference, i.e. knowing what ought to be (right & wrong) isn't contingent on a higher power; Therefore, either we already know what is right & wrong by our nature (for instance doing good makes us happy), or we can know what ought to be the same way we know what is (for instance using Science), or right & wrong are whatever we make them to be according to our personal truth. In all cases, what ought to be is known not through revelation but through human nature.
You don't disagree with me but still you persist in presenting an opinion you know to be false. Why?
Don't you need to state what practices you are talking about?
Pure mentally ill truth-hating bullshit. 9 out of 10 pedophiles are fellow family members or fellow church members. Children are far, far safer in the company of Liberal adults than Conservative adults. Statistically speaking, a young girl is much safer from attack with a gay stranger than with father, brother, uncle, or minister. The overwhelming amount of child sex assault comes from the big strength differences between adult males and young teenaged or preteen girls.All of the major anti-pedophilia legislation of the 20th and 21st century comes from the Left-wing, mostly from Feminists. Walter Mondale is credited with most of the laws cracking down on child sex assault in the late 20th century, overcoming fierce Conservative resistance to legislation. Throughout Europe, Liberals outlawed child sex over Conservative's strong objections.Modern MAGA is far more tolerant of child sex assault than any other political party in American History- Donald Trump's 20 year close friendship with Jeff Epstein and Alex Acosta's Republican cover-up, Matt Gaetz's relationship with 17 year old girls and 12 year old boys. Jim Jordan's cover-up of hundreds of sex assaults by Richard Strauss while Jordan was wrestling coach. Lauren Boebert's husband's conviction for exposing his genitals to underage girls while Boebert watched, the whole Republican Party knew about Mark Foley and covered it up, the same with Denny Hastert,Just look at how many Klan leaders and Neo-Nazis and other right-wing extremists go down for child rape and child pornography. The numbers are not a coincidence. Nor is it a coincidence that Jim Watkins, the most probable long-term personality behind QAnon and the QAnon servers' administrator also ran stormfront.com from the same server rack and also made his millions sneaking child porn into Asian markets. There is a strong relationship between right-wing extremism and child sex abuse.For every liberal you can find guilty of child sex assault I can hand you twenty conservatives so your delusional psychic predictions about Liberals and pedophilia can get fucked. If you want to stop pedophilia, put women into power.
Carter is still alive and strongly endorses the current Democrat platform.
Your doubt is not evidence-based.
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Long story and we have established you are ignorant regarding most of world history
but just look at the increases in percentage of citizens, stakeholders in the economy, individual and property rights, power sharing.
Sorry, bud. You'll never be an American. America is founded on the principle of justice for all, equality as the just state.
Yet, the liberal secular modern West is vastly more authoritarian than virtually any government system in History.ridiculous and ignorant
seems like you've given up
clearly, you have not read much of this website over the past three years
You claimed gay marriage was evidence of future pedophilia
You said white christians were easily turned, I pointed out that is a rapidly shrinking demo. Try to keep up.
non-sequitur
because you fail to comprehend
non-sequitur
Improve your reading comprehension: I said "continuous government in the world today" Abbasids and Ottomans are no longer in the world today but I don't expect that you have noticed.
You said Capitalism is unsustainable.
I pointed out that Capitalism is human character so always present in every human society.
Don't know how you failed to comprehend.
non-sequitur straw man. You said the American Revolution was historically inconsequential.
I pointed out your historical illiteracy.
I am not sure where those things conflict, so I can't tell you.
Obviously because if you are always 20 years behind liberals, you will just have the country turn into what liberalism wanted for it 20 years ago. In 20 years you'll have conservatives defend what liberals are pushing now.
Mostly just by sitting back and watching things and then reacting to any sort of disloyalty. Suddenly a corporation puts their own self interests above that of the country. Bang, step in and execute the CEO for treason. If it happens again, bang execute the board that elects CEOs.
As far as reeducation of the population is concerned, just intense philosophy classes beginning in elementary and going until they get out of highschool.
The end goal of liberalism is what you see in other liberal controlled countries. Countries such as North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba. If you look at the economic freedom index which measures how capitalistic a country is, than the countries doing the worst job, such as the ones I mention, are the end goals of liberalism.
Transhumanism is at the end of the day about radical life extension. Liberalism kills babies before they are born, attempts to kill the elderly through euthenasia and is generally anti-life.
Your paradigm is wrong. I would execute people who cut off the dicks of 9 year olds . At what point in American history were people executed for routinely cutting off children's penises?
Assuming that humans act in accordance with a predetermined nature has nothing to do with viewing reality as objective or subjective. It probably falls more along the lines of whether I believe in predeterminism or not and predeterminism is a philosophical belief probably more in line with what an objectionist would think.You can say my nature is predetermined or not, it is irrelevant as to whether truth is subjective or not. Either genetic predeterminism is true or it isn't. If it is true, it doesn't mean subjectivism is true. In fact I think it makes subjectivism less true.You are saying things can't be reconciled which can be. It is logical to both believe in a higher power and to believe in that God wrote himself onto our heart. The reason all of humanity share moral values is because God gave us those moral instincts. God did not give everyone throughout history a Bible or a Koran.He did give everyone an instinct for what is moral. We know murder is wrong. We knew that before you ever read the Koran. You knew that because God gave you instincts for right and wrong. Every society on the planet even ones unexposed to an abrahamic religion knows that killing for fun is wrong, every single society knows that raping baby's is wrong.Having this internal moral instincts does not mean you get to determine what is right and wrong. It means God has already determined right and wrong and wrote it on your heart. There is a reason that Cain tried to cover up his crime before a single commandment was written. God has wrote the laws on his heart and he knew murdering his brother was wrong according to his own internal morality set by God. He chose to ignore the laws God wrote on his heart.Humans don't get to determine right and wrong. Allah already did it, and nobody gets a free pass even if they have no access to holy books, because like Cain who knew what was wrong prior to the 10 commandments, we also have the law written on our hearts.
