The Jan 6 committee will issue their report, Criminal referrals for Trump

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If it was as you said, the DOJ would have indicted him already. Seeing as they haven't and they have not said Trump is involved as of yet, I don't see how the J6 committee had anything the FBI and DOJ did not.
  • That's a terribly naïve, unsophisticated point of view.  No ex-president has ever been charged with a crime.  If you think the DoJ is eager to set a thousand new precedents with little hope of a clean victory and no hope of political profit you know nothing about Washington DC (although, as you are a QAnon cultist, I guess we've already established that benchmark in your particular).
  • Yes, the business of holding politicians criminally liable is invariable political and therefore never popular or effective.  Democrats have won the last three general elections running against Trump and would like nothing better than to the extend the trashing of the Republican brand name.  However impossible it may prove to bring real justice down on Trump, loyal Americans are nevertheless bound by oath and honor to persist in protecting America from enemies foreign and domestic and Trump is unquestionably that.



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What are you 5?
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All that to say, I don't see Biden winning in 2024 unless it is fraudulent like in 2020. I know we both don't see eye to eye on that, but, at least this year, at least 3 election officials have been indicted by the DOJ. The press has been silent about it, but the DOJ has not.
  • Heil Q!  
If Trump catches wind of the indictments, it will be VERY easy for him to run on a "secure the elections and remove corruption" platform without much difficulty,
  • You don't understand what the metaphorical phrase "catches wind" means.   There are no indictments at present but Trump has definitely caught wind of these unprecedented Congressional findings of fact.
since he spent 4 years waging war on Washington, the people will be extremely likely to believe he'll do that again. I'm just saying, Trump has a much better shot than people think he does.
  • Waging war on Americans is never popular with Americans.  Your political acumen and historical literacy are overdue for a rational deprogramming.

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No ex-president has ever been charged with a crime.
False. Trump's company has already been convicted of tax fraud:

He also could be barred from being a Federal Contractor:

If you think the DoJ is eager to set a thousand new precedents
It already said it is:
The Department of Justice’s resolve to hold accountable those who committed crimes on January 6, 2021, has not, and will not, wane.
Source:

This means all the way to political leaders is necessary.

Moreover, considering they spied on a political opponent and used a dossier they knew was fake to fool a judge to allow them to do what they wanted, I somehow doubt the DOJ cares all that much about precedent right now.
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You don't understand what the metaphorical phrase "catches wind" means. There are no indictments at present but Trump has definitely caught wind of these unprecedented Congressional findings of fact.
Voter fraud indictments and convictions of election officials, legislators, and other related charges in November-December of 2022:






And I'm certain I've missed a couple as I was quickly skimming the DOJ website. The point is, fraudulent actions have been found, and the fraud is not all just random assholes but people in positions of influence, like police chiefs, current state senators, and others. 

The point is there is more than enough here to go on to argue that there isn't enough security in our elections process, meaning bad actors abound and governments launder money to certain candidates, that Trump could EASILY argue he will reform it.
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No ex-president has ever been charged with a crime.
False. Trump's company has already been convicted of tax fraud:

  • Not false.  Trump.Org is not an ex-president.  
If you think the DoJ is eager to set a thousand new precedents
It already said it is:
The Department of Justice’s resolve to hold accountable those who committed crimes on January 6, 2021, has not, and will not, wane
  • Not unprecedented.  The DoJ has prosecuted terrorist attacks before.  I was talking about DoJ reluctance to indict an ex-president which is unprecedented.

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Idk what to tell you man, other than your reading comprehension sucks. The DOJ literally stated they would prosecute EVERYONE responsible.

If Trump is responsible, he would be included under "everyone," now wouldn't he?
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1. The South seceded because a Republican candidate (Lincoln) won the presidency. The Republican Party was exclusively Northern because of its anti-slavery bent.
The South seceded because the anti slavery candidate won. And there were Democrats in the North.

There’s no question the Democrats led the effort for Civil rights. 

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If it was as you said, the DOJ would have indicted him already. Seeing as they haven't and they have not said Trump is involved as of yet, I don't see how the J6 committee had anything the FBI and DOJ did not.
And if OJ was guilty he would be in jail for murder, right?

Or is the DOJ being cautious so they don’t start a civil war?

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If it was as you said, the DOJ would have indicted him already. Seeing as they haven't and they have not said Trump is involved as of yet, I don't see how the J6 committee had anything the FBI and DOJ did not.
And if OJ was guilty he would be in jail for murder, right?

Or is the DOJ being cautious so they don’t start a civil war?

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the liberal news outlets have abysmal trust ratings
With idiots like yourself who live in a FOX News bubble and lack the intelligence to exercise sound critical thinking skills.

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All that to say, I don't see Biden winning in 2024 unless it is fraudulent like in 2020. 
OMG, what a moron

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but, at least this year, at least 3 election officials have been indicted by the DOJ. The press has been silent about it, but the DOJ has not.
Is this who you are talking about? They are NOT election officials and this is NOT the kind of fraud the MAGA morons have been alleging.

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The South seceded because the anti slavery candidate won.
Yes.
And there were Democrats in the North.
True, but not relevant. After the war ended, the Northern Democrats reunited with the Southern Democrats who had seceded. The Democratic Party was inextricably tied to secession and Civil War.
There’s no question the Democrats led the effort for Civil rights. 
Have you looked up the vote totals by party for the Civil Rights Act? You might be surprised.

However, it is quite true that LBJ, a Democrat, led the charge for the Civil Rights act. However, that supports my point. I am not saying "Democrats bad!" I am saying "The Democrats lived down the Civil War, so the Republicans can live down Trump." Democratic support for civil rights supports that claim.
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You don't understand what the metaphorical phrase "catches wind" means. There are no indictments at present but Trump has definitely caught wind of these unprecedented Congressional findings of fact.
  • Your reply is non-sequitur.
  • I take it you are trying (and failing) to document this prior claim:
All that to say, I don't see Biden winning in 2024 unless it is fraudulent like in 2020. I know we both don't see eye to eye on that, but, at least this year, at least 3 election officials have been indicted by the DOJ. The press has been silent about it, but the DOJ has not.
The point is, fraudulent actions have been found, and the fraud is not all just random assholes but people in positions of influence, like police chiefs, current state senators, and others. 
  • Every fucking one of them a Trump guy.
The point is there is more than enough here to go on to argue that there isn't enough security in our elections process, meaning bad actors abound and governments launder money to certain candidates, that Trump could EASILY argue he will reform it.
  • Every fucking case you gave was pro-Trumpist, one actually funneling cash directly from Russia to Trump's pocket and you are such a blind cult believer you still think Trump is going to reform the very corruption he encourages and directly profits by.
  • Not one of these examples is from the 2020 election or changed one vote for Trump in that election cycle.  


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The Democrats lived down the Civil War, so the Republicans can live down Trump." Democratic support for civil rights supports that claim.
What are the chances of the Republicans condemning Trump? 

The DNC was founded in 1848. Well before the Civil War. The leader of the DNC when the Civil war broke out was August Belmont.

Senator Douglas (of Lincoln - Douglas Debate fame) nominated Belmont as chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Belmont is attributed with single-handedly transforming the position of party chairman from a previously honorary office to one of great political and electoral importance, creating the modern American political party's national organization. He energetically supported the Union cause during the Civil War as a "War Democrat" (similar to former Tennessee Senator Andrew Johnson, later installed as war governor of the Union Army-occupied seceded state), conspicuously helping U.S. Representative from Missouri Francis P. Blair raise and equip the Union Army's first predominantly German-American regiment.[7]

Do you have documentation of the party supporting slavery?

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What are the chances of the Republicans condemning Trump? 
In the next 10 years? Very low.

Thirty years from now? Who can say?
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True, but not relevant. 
It’s very relevant. Proof that slavery and the Civil War was favored by southerners (and racists) not Democrats.

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Have you looked up the vote totals by party for the Civil Rights Act? You might be surprised.
But who LED the effort? Democrats or Republicans?

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So you are presenting these as cases in evidence of fraud in the 2020 election (justifying Trump's attempted coup)?
I don't know when I said they were all for the 2020 election, lol.

Pro-Trump robocallers convicted of keeping money raised for 2 PACs in 2016 election
False... The DOJ states:

According to court documents, from 2016 through at least April 2017, Matthew Nelson Tunstall, 35, of Los Angeles, together with co-conspirators, operated two PACs – Liberty Action Group PAC and Progressive Priorities PAC – which solicited contributions from the public via robocalls and television, radio, and internet advertisements, among other means. The two PACs stated that the contributions would be used to support the presidential nominees of the two major political parties, respectively. 
He was pro nobody. He just stole people's money. Which goes to prove the point that there is fraud out there.

2 Republican candidates paid voters to vote for them in 2016 election
False... 

Jerry Trabona is an independent:

Pro-Trump political consultant convicted of knowingly concealing hundreds of thousands of dollars in illegal Russian donations to the 2016 Trump campaign.
False... The Wikipedia states:
Benton served as the campaign manager of Republican Mitch McConnell, until resigning on August 29, 2014, amid rumors surrounding campaign finance allegations during the 2012 presidential election.[2] On August 5, 2015, Benton was indicted by a grand jury on charges arising from an alleged coverup to conceal the expenditure of campaign money to hire an Iowa politician.[3] Four of the five charges were initially thrown out because of misconduct by the prosecutor.[4] Benton was found not guilty at trial on charges of making false statements.[5]

Benton was subsequently re-indicted and was found guilty of conspiring to cause false records to the Federal Election Commission.[6] Benton was given two years probation.[7] He was pardoned by President Donald Trump on December 23, 2020.[8]

Benton was indicted in September 2021 for illegally funneling money he received from a Russian national into the 2016 campaign of Donald Trump.[9] [10] Benton was convicted on November 17, 2022.[11]
You wrongly said:

Every fucking case you gave was pro-Trumpist, one actually funneling cash directly from Russia to Trump's pocket and you are such a blind cult believer you still think Trump is going to reform the very corruption he encourages and directly profits by.
False...

He never worked for Trump nor was he friends with Trump. He simply donated money to the campaign. In fact, to correct disinformation about the event, the DOJ stated in a press release:

We thank the jury for their service but they got it wrong. This was not some grand conspiracy to get $25,000 of Russian money into the Trump campaign, rather it was for a multi-level marketer and Instagram influencer to get a picture with a celebrity to enhance his image

You really need to get your facts straight, man.
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Beaaaahaaaahaaaahaaaahaaaa!!!!! 

Even the FBI didn’t declare it an “insurrection,” you nincumpoop!! 

The other two, laughable. 
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I don't know when I said they were all for the 2020 election, lol.
  • POST #30:
    •  I don't see Biden winning in 2024 unless it is fraudulent like in 2020,.... at least this year, at least 3 election officials have been indicted by the DOJ. The press has been silent about it, but the DOJ has not.
  • Also, you are defending the failed Republican coup attempt.  If you are not claiming 2020 fraud you are off topic.  You are saying that if Trump were guilty of anything in 2020 he would have been convicted by DoJ and then you give us a bunch of 2016 examples that are only now seeing indictments.
Pro-Trump robocallers convicted of keeping money raised for 2 PACs in 2016 election
False... The DOJ states:
He was pro nobody. He just stole people's money. Which goes to prove the point that there is fraud out there.
  • 2016 had one Trump PAC and on Clinton PAC.  New PACs in 2018 and 2019 that were explicitly and only Pro-Trump.
Jerry Trabona is an independent:
  • Fair enough.  An independent in a district that votes overwhelmingly Republican.
False...
He never worked for Trump nor was he friends with Trump. He simply donated money to the campaign
  • I count donating money to the Trump campaign as Pro-Trump. Don't know why you wouldn't.
You really need to get your facts straight, man.
  • I'll agree that we can't assume that a corrupt Sherriff in a 2:1 Trump county running on an Independent ticket is necessarily a pro-Trumper but I'd be surprised if he wasn't.  Otherwise, my args stand meaning that your argument (fraud justified Trump's coup) still fails utterly.




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FBI is busy right now investigating itself for the laptop censorship. Pretty sure the FBI is a little too busy to worry about this.
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  •  I don't see Biden winning in 2024 unless it is fraudulent like in 2020,.... at least this year, at least 3 election officials have been indicted by the DOJ. The press has been silent about it, but the DOJ has not.
yeah when you abridge two sentences that are apart you can make a person say anything lol. Here's what I really said:

All that to say, I don't see Biden winning in 2024 unless it is fraudulent like in 2020. I know we both don't see eye to eye on that, but, at least this year, at least 3 election officials have been indicted by the DOJ. The press has been silent about it, but the DOJ has not.
I can see how you may have misconstrued what I said. But I was not claiming that the current indictments are 2020 related. I was saying that, regardless of how someone feels about 2020, this year, multiple people have been indicted on fraud. This, if anything, proves the point that our elections are not the most secure in the world... which was my point lol.

Founded in 2018 and 2019, Tunstall’s two PACs, Support American Leaders and Campaign to Support the President, 
This goes back to that reading comprehension problem... The DOJ stated:
operated two PACs – Liberty Action Group PAC and Progressive Priorities PAC – which solicited contributions from the public via robocalls and television, radio, and internet advertisements, among other means. The two PACs stated that the contributions would be used to support the presidential nominees of the two major political parties, respectively. 
He was not pro trump. He was stealing money from both parties. He was not working for the Trump campaign. He is a republican political operative for sure, but he also worked for Mitch McConnell in 2012 and he is good friends with the Pauls (Rand and Ron). He is not really a "Tump guy." He's a political opportunist who worked for Republicans.

There's plenty who also work for Democrats, such as Michael Myers, who was indicted in June of 2022:

Here's what this guy did:
United States Attorney Jennifer Arbittier Williams announced today that former U.S. Congressman Michael “Ozzie” Myers, 79, of Philadelphia, PA, pleaded guilty today to conspiracy to deprive voters of civil rights, bribery, obstruction of justice, falsification of voting records, and conspiring to illegally vote in a federal election for orchestrating schemes to fraudulently stuff the ballot boxes for specific Democratic candidates in the 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018 Pennsylvania elections.
There is also Karen Peterson, the Democrat chair in New Orleans. She was charged in July of 2022. According to the DOJ:
The campaign funds were solicited based upon  the representations and premise that the funds would be used to facilitate PETERSON’S reelection for the position of State Senator.  In furtherance of her scheme,  PETERSON diverted, and caused her friends and associates to divert, campaign funds from the KCPCF to PETERSON’S personal use for the purpose of obtaining and using money and property from contributors to the KCPCF by means of materially false and fraudulent representations and promises for nearly seven (7) years.
This was similar to the political operative opportunist. But even so. According to the CNN article you gave me. It blatantly states that the pacs were essentially just giving him fat checks. They weren't pro-trump PACs. They were wire fraud operations:
None of the money the two groups have raised went directly to Trump or his campaign during the 2020 cycle. Even though Tunstall reports on his federal filings that his PACs have spent approximately $407,000 toward supporting Trump, a close analysis of those independent expenditures shows that approximately $380,000 of that money was spent on robocalls and operating expenses; about $27,000 was spent on advertising.
That isn't pro-trump. That is a conman making money by defrauding people.

My point is that our elections are far from secure. Those were simply the most recent allegations, indictments, and guilty pleas. There are certainly others from this year.

Trump can leverage this knowledge and run on a "clean house" campaign, and people will believe it. It doesn't matter if you think he will actually clean house or not. That isn't the point. The point is, the DOJ basically gave Trump a Christmas gift for the 2024 election.

They decided to indict a whole slew of people for election fraud RIGHT AFTER AN ELECTION and right when Trump began campaigning for President for 2024. This will both embolden his base who believe there was fraud in the 2020 election and get more independents to be on board. Like it or not, many people did believe Trump was fighting the swamp. It just was democrats who didn't think so. The fact the entire media complex and intelligence community used false allegations and fake intelligence to try to run him out of office will only bolster his 2024 campaign run. I'm just saying.

If you think election fraud happens on only one side, you are as naive as you claim I supposedly am. All I am saying is, if Biden wants to win in 2024, he should stop investigating voter fraud until AFTER he wins his second term. Because right now he is giving Trump all he needs to claim "voter fraud" and "rigged election" in 2020. He is literally handing out indictments. All Trump has to do is say "They did this to me in 2020. I promise you that, when I get in, we will rewrite the rules to make it difficult for our elections to be exploited. I will establish a new [insert cabinet position name here] that focuses on election fraud. And we will wipe it off the map. Our elections will be better and more secure than ever before."

  • I count donating money to the Trump campaign as Pro-Trump. Don't know why you wouldn't.
Maybe because of WHY HE DONATED THE 'EFFIN MONEY. As the DOJ gave us the reason:
it was for a multi-level marketer and Instagram influencer to get a picture with a celebrity to enhance his image
It was to get a photograph. . . It wasn't to help Trump win. It wasn't to launder Russian money. It was to get Trump to take a photograph with an influencer. He's pro-the-influencer. That is why I didn't count it. Yes, the money helped Trump. That is true. But he didn't specifically give the money because he was pro-Trump. There's a big difference between the two.

your argument (fraud justified Trump's coup) still fails utterly
And you say I'm a conspiracy theorist? What coup did I say Trump committed? Since when did running for President mean someone is part of a coup? If anything, his own intelligence communities committed a coup on him.

Matt Tiabbi, a reporter who worked as the managing editor of politics for Rolling Stone and also literally lived through multiple coups, and also is not pro-trump at all, explained how the Intelligence Community ran a coup against a duly-elected President:
To be sure, “people familiar with the matter” leaked a lot of true stories in the last few years, but many were clearly problematic even at the time of release. Moreover, all took place in the context of constant, hounding pressure from media figures, congressional allies like Democrats Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell, as well as ex-officials who could make use of their own personal public platforms in addition to being unnamed sources in straight news reports. They used commercial news platforms to argue that Trump had committed treason, needed to be removed from office, and preferably also indicted as soon as possible.

A shocking number of these voices were former intelligence officers who joined Clapper in becoming paid news contributors. Op-ed pages and news networks are packed now with ex-spooks editorializing about stories in which they had personal involvement: Michael Morell, Michael Hayden, Asha Rangappa, and Andrew McCabe among many others, including especially three of the four original “intel chiefs”: Clapper, Comey, and MSNBC headliner John Brennan.

Russiagate birthed a whole brand of politics, a government-in-exile, which prosecuted its case against Trump via a constant stream of “approved” leaks, partisans in congress, and an increasingly unified and thematically consistent set of commercial news outlets.

These mechanisms have been transplanted now onto the Ukrainegate drama. It’s the same people beating the public drums, with the messaging run out of the same congressional committees, through the same Nadlers, Schiffs, and Swalwells. The same news outlets are on full alert.

The sidelined “intel chiefs” are once again playing central roles in making the public case. Comey says “we may now be at a point” where impeachment is necessary. Brennan, with unintentional irony, says the United States is “no longer a democracy.” Clapper says the Ukraine whistleblower complaint is “one of the most credible” he’s seen.
The whole article is a great read, but that section is particularly alarming:

But if this was any other fucking country, and you read about how this was happening, wouldn't the first thought in your mind be "this is a coup?" It would certainly be mine. the intelligence community taking over the news? Fake leaks by "anonymous sources" that are obviously not true? All against an elected President? That is definitely the markings of a coup. It was the other way around. Trump wasn't a coup. He was the victim of one.
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I can see how you may have misconstrued what I said. But I was not claiming that the current indictments are 2020 related. I was saying that, regardless of how someone feels about 2020, this year, multiple people have been indicted on fraud. This, if anything, proves the point that our elections are not the most secure in the world... which was my point lol.
It does not prove that. You lied when you said the 3 arrested were “election officials”.  A typical MAGA moron tactic to stretch the definition of something.
A campaign worker is not an election official.


For the Myers Case:
“The guilty plea entered today is a satisfying culmination of tireless work by our Pennsylvania State Troopers, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Department of Justice.“

My point is that our elections are far from secure. Those were simply the most recent allegations, indictments, and guilty pleas. There are certainly others from this year.
Your point is because there was some legitimate fraud caught and prosecuted by the DOJ, Trump’s wack job conspiracy theories may also be true and there are certainly millions of morons in this country that will believe that.

The Myers case was caught by the authorities, the FBI, and prosecuted appropriately by the DOJ. But you MAGA Morons use this as evidence that the “Deep State” stole the election from Trump, you accuse the FBI of being corrupt. 

The fact is Trump fabricated the BIG LIE for idiots like you. As Bill Barr said, it was all bullshit. 

The dead people voting
The illegals voting
Busing voters around the country
Moving ballots around in suitcases
Stuffing drop boxes with fake ballots
Dominion voting machines changing ballots
China, South America and Italy changing votes electronically 

It was all bull shit, it was a BIG LIE  but idiots like you look at the Myers case and say “see, Trump was right! Because you’re a moron.
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We're not a democracy. We are a federal republic.

Give it rest and please get off your Trumpet corruption and  immorality boat.
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This guy was a two time loser, just like Trump.

Michael Joseph "Ozzie" Myers (born May 4, 1943) is an American politician who served in the United States House of Representatives from 1976 to 1980. A member of the Democratic Party, Myers became involved in the Abscam scandal during his tenure in Congress and was later expelled from the House of Representatives after being caught taking bribes in an FBI sting operation. He spent three years in federal prison.
In 2020, he was accused of stuffing ballot boxes in Philadelphia elections during the 2010s, and charged with election fraud. He pled guilty in 2022, and was sentenced to 2+1⁄2 years in federal prison.

Maybe that’s why Trump’s appointed election security official, Chris Krebs, said that 2020 was the most secure election in American history. This kind of election fraud didn’t happen in 2020. 

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I can see how you may have misconstrued what I said. But I was not claiming that the current indictments are 2020 related.
  • Then, as I stated before, you are well off topic.
I was saying that, regardless of how someone feels about 2020, this year, multiple people have been indicted on fraud. This, if anything, proves the point that our elections are not the most secure in the world... which was my point lol.
  • False.  Except for McConnell's buddy laundering Russian cash for Trump, your examples are all individual cases of corrupt self-gain on a fairly small scale. I think most experts on world elections would confirm for you that if this list represents your concern then yes, US elections must certainly be among the most free and fair in the world.
This goes back to that reading comprehension problem... The DOJ stated:

What you're failing to comprehend is that after trying to rip off both Democrats and Republicans in 2016, these fraudsters found Trump voters a much gullible target and focused exclusively on pro-Trump fundraising in the following years and therefore pro-Trump.   They're also going down for claiming millions in PPP funds.

There's plenty who also work for Democrats,
  • I'm sure there are.  My point was that your examples were overwhelmingly pro-Trump.  This is relevant when discussing whether never-proved election fraud justified a Republican coup
They weren't pro-trump PACs. They were wire fraud operations:
  • They were telling people to vote for Trump.  They said they were collecting money for the Trump campaign but spent the money on themselves.  In this respect, they were not only pro-Trump but decidedly following Trump example.
That isn't pro-trump. That is a conman making money by defrauding people.
  • Same thing.
My point is that our elections are far from secure.
  • My point is you're wrong in saying so but most particularly wrong in the case of the 2020 Presidential election, our topic here.
They decided to indict a whole slew of people for election fraud RIGHT AFTER AN ELECTION and right when Trump began campaigning for President for 2024.
  • That is why Trump announced a year early, to manufacture persecution narratives for the gullible.
This will both embolden his base who believe there was fraud in the 2020 election and get more independents to be on board.  Like it or not, many people did believe Trump was fighting the swamp.
  • Trump's base is a Republican problem.  If Republicans want some kind of democratic credibility back, they need to fix that problem.
If you think election fraud happens on only one side, you are as naive as you claim I supposedly am.
  • There's fraud on both sides but the GOP's shrinking minority is far more motivated to cheat.
It was to get a photograph. . . It wasn't to help Trump win. It wasn't to launder Russian money. It was to get Trump to take a photograph with an influencer. He's pro-the-influencer.
  • Don't be dumb.  If getting your picture taken with Trump has value to you, then you are pro-Trump
What coup did I say Trump committed? Since when did running for President mean someone is part of a coup? If anything, his own intelligence communities committed a coup on him.
  • US Congress, US Intel, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Japan, Steve Bannon all say it was coup.  The FBI calls it a terrorist attack.  Asking QAnon if it was a coup or just politics is like asking Jeffrey Dahmer if it was murder or just a date.








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origami..." Don't be dumb.  If getting your picture taken with Trump has value to you, then you are pro-Trump "....
OMG, this is too funny, cause all Trumpist's " be dumb " from the get go in supporting Trumpet and host of irrational, illogical non-sense.

Hey, you Trumpet supporters, dont be dumb. Ha ha! Too late to close that gate.

Seriously, doesnt this conjure  visuals of Tom Hanks  Forest Gump character telling a Trumpist cult member, hey, dont be dumb.