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@Tradesecret
As someone who is not an evolutionistI'll presume this position is based on a contrived presumption that the theory of evolution in some way contradicts Christian faith, but that just isn't true.Well I guess it depends on what you think is the Christian Faith. And it also depends upon what evolution is as well. Many of the different sciences you lay out below are not dependent upon evolution in the manner by which Darwin posited it. Although you state it is a unifying theory - you are simply incorrect.Perhaps however before we continue that aspect of our discussion, you might provide a definition of what you think the Christian Faith is and also what you define as the theory of evolution. I suspect that your presumption of contrived presumption won't stack up. Still, I will await you definitions to see whether they match or not.
I use both terms in the traditional sense. It's your OP and you used the terms, if you have different definitions than the rest of us, you need to let us know what you are talking about. Make your case, what is it about evolution that contradicts Christian faith?
What you are contending requires a direct refutation of the most general principles of most of our physical and biological sciences. As a unifying theory of biology, evolution holds true. Its mechanisms are by no means completely understood and it does not in any way eliminate the mystery of life, question the existence of God, or bring into doubt any of the basic tenets of Christianity.Not at all. It really is going to depend upon how broad or narrow your provided definition of the theory of evolution is going to be. We need to see what you think are the basic tenets of Christianity are before we can draw such a conclusion.
No we don't, if you want to challenge what I'm saying, you need to say why you disagree, you can't just say you're wrong and expect me to tell you why you think I'm wrong.
But it is absolutely central to science.Totally disagree. I perform scientific experiments of a sort everyday without using or applying evolution.
Yeah, well my comments are accurate for the rest of the scientific community.
The theory of evolution is the great unifying principle of biology, as powerful a model to biology as Newton's model was to physics. The conceptual framework of the theory of evolution makes sense of a profoundly wide range of scientific facts and it does it in a magnificent and comprehensive way. It provides a principle of unity, a framework by which science can attempt to explain, to unify, and to order, a vast amount of disparate data into a consistent whole providing tremendous coherence and clarity. To deny evolution you must bring into question the entire interwoven fabric of scientific research.Again we are going to have to see how broad or narrow your definition of evolution is. Change is not evolution. Adaption is not evolution. The maturing process is not evolution. Yes, I know evolutionists consider that these are part and parcel of evolution. Yet those opposed to evolution in its narrow definition believe that such things as change and adaption and the maturing process are able to be satisfactorily explained without the theory of evolution.
Nope, on what basis do you "oppose evolution", and if it is on the basis of some kind of special definition of evolution, then please let us know what that definition is.
Flat out denial of the theory of Evolution requires the concomitant denial of an astounding range of scientific disciplines, not just the disciplines of geology, paleontology, archeology, radiometric dating, genetics, and zoology but also such fundamental disciplines as physics, astronomy, astrophysics, chemistry, biochemistry, geophysics, biology, botany, microbiology, and meteorology, and many others. Because of the interrelated aspect of the sciences, you can't really propose that the theory evolution is false without being fundamentally anti-scientific. You can contend that the theory of evolution is incomplete, nobody claims it is complete. If you could in fact, deny the theory of evolution, it would, in effect, unravel the world of science.It appears that you take a very broad definition of evolution. Applying it to all sciences. I never said the theory of evolution is non-scientific in this thread. I said I am not an evolutionists. I can certainly propose that evolution defined narrowly is not related to any other aspect of science. I disagree that the world of science is held together by evolution. That would be an atheistic position. And it couldn't be a religious one held by someone who holds to the tenets of Christianity.
Nonsense, evolution is a scientific theory, it establishes the context within which the unified sciences operate, it doesn't speak to theology, and it is nonsense to say that the scientific consensus is an atheistic position, any attempt to make it into an atheistic position is contrived and agenda based.
And I just don't see why anyone would want to do that. I simply do not see evolution challenging any of the basic tenets of Christianity; unfortunately, I can't say the same thing about your contention here. In order to support the belief that evolution is false, you accordingly have to postulate a deceptive God, don't you?Yes, you have said that and are now repeating yourself. At least in the first part of that paragraph. Your final sentence presumes much without any evidence to support the same. Let's see what your definitions are and then perhaps we might be able to discuss this properly.
All of you sentences presume much without any evidence.
You would need to propose a God who would create Man with a rational mind, a sense of wonder, and seeking intellect, while creating a universe with the false appearance of tremendous age with the overwhelming evidence of "evolution" occurring in creation as a trick or something. This concept of a deceptive God is very hard to accept, it strikes me as a much greater challenge to Christianity than any damage the concept of evolution could ever hope to do.I disagree. There is are many different topics that could be explored in that paragraph. But let's start by you - defining and providing the basis of Christianity - and for the theory of definition and then we can go from there. Thanks by the way for your response.
Lets go with with the topic I addressed, your concept of a deceptive God, explain to me why you think that is a tenet of Christianity? I know my Bible, perhaps you can provide some scriptural reference to support this trickster God concept, I sure don't find it in the Bible. I'm also comfortable that the Bible supports my position on this evolution matter, maybe you can provide some scripture to support the argument against evolution.