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It isn't valid proof; it is just saying that God wouldn't be God if he didn't call himself God. That doesn't go for everyone, this links with the rest of the evidence.
- Is "everyone" refer to rational people? A circular argument is invalid.
Yes, no one is fully good, with no sin in their hearts, except for God. God is only telling the ruler that he is good, in what he was doing, not a fully good person.
- Are you saying Jesus (pbuh) isn't God after all?
Probably should have worded that better, I'm sorry about that, but what I was trying to say, was that, If God never said that he was God in the bible, then that would disprove that he was God.
- This is untrue both ways. God is not contingent on revealing Himself for Him to be God. & you have to prove first that Jesus (pbuh) is God, before resorting to what he -allegedly- says about himself.
Well, what I was trying to point out here, was this question:Is God a liar? NoIs God a lunatic? NoSo, he must be the Lord.
- God & Lord in this context are just different names of the same thing. You haven't said anything.
This has nothing to do with what I said at all. What I am saying, is that those free disciples, who could have lived fruitful lives, instead decided to risk their own lives, all of them, for something they claimed to be true. Why would they leave their homes and families, to be tortured and killed if it was not true.
- Assuming all this occurred, the most it proves is that they were sincere & believed what they were preaching. It has no bearing in the Truth of what they were preaching.
- The authors of the Gospels are anonymous. The names John, Luke, Matthew...etc are conventional -decided a century after the fact, & not of the actual disciples of Jesus (pbuh).
Well, if you use my provided research, then you will find this statement false.
- I wasn't stating an opinion. It's a statement of fact. It is a fact that the earliest mention of the Four Gospels came in late 2nd century AD, the earliest reference to these authors associated with the Gospels came a century later, & the earliest extant -almost- full copies of the Gospels another century later, in mid 4th century.
Yes, it does. It literally provides evidence for the eyewitness testimonies of all of those people. They didn't claim a million people saw it. They claimed what they saw.
- If someone came to you & said I saw your grandma rising from the dead & claimed 500 people saw it with him. Would you believe his testimony?
If you actually used the research, then you would again find this statement false.
- It factually isn't.
How is this untrue? Prove that its untrue. I have provided evidence proving otherwise, now show yours.
- You haven't provided evidence. I do know a thing or two about the Bible... It doesn't even matter, because I didn't even object to your claims, I assumed they were true for the sake of argument.
Yes, dozens of tombs are found empty, but using historical evidence, we learn that no one was buried there to begin with.
- Or maybe the body was stolen, maybe it fell off, maybe they picked the wrong one...etc. The possibilities are endless. Or maybe as you said, no one was buried there, & Jesus (pbuh) was mistaken to have risen from the dead when they got the wrong tomb... I bet you didn't think that one through...
And they weren't relatives. And let's just say for a minute your right. How is it possible that all of those people saw the exact same thing at the exact same time?I wouldn't call that a fake appearance of the dead.
- It's not "all those people", it's one or two guys who claim "many people saw this". If you go to court & say "he raped me & 100 people saw it", would they take your word for it & just assume 100 people saw it because you said so?
No, we won't be resurrected. Our souls will be resurrected. Not our body's, like Jesus's were.
- Both are a matter of debate among Christians. You don't seem to know much about your tradition... Either way, so in your own words, we are not gods, but our souls are?
No Jesus died and was resurrected. Not God. There is a difference.
- So, is Jesus (pbuh) God or not God?