servey: Who am I the alt of?

In civilized society we allow defendants a lawyer and I think this would be a similar situation for me to help speak on people's behalf, and contrary to popular belief not everybody has the ability to communicate well or build repoire 

It's dying because the forum is spammed by far-left extremists and racists or posts about internal drama about who has an alt or is an asshole, and few people vote on debates because the voting rules are impossible to understand, making their votes get removed or they just don't get around to it because their vote will probably be removed anyways. So the debates become ties by default and that pisses people off and they stop debating.

It's also dying because nobody on here debates anything other than me, mall, Novice and RM. Even Novice has announced he will retire when he hits the #1 spot. Nobody really makes forum posts other than 4 people. They all sit around commenting on someone else's forum posts sporadically.

And when a debate does happen to be initiated, which is very rarely, it is for bullshit like if some marvel character is like a DC character without considering powers and abilities or if Barney is a good debater or not. Hardly topics people are interested in.

So of course a website with fringe lunatics raving madly about bullshit in the forums, internal schoolgirl drama, and debates about nothing that don't get any votes will turn a lot of people off to this website. Why bother signing up if you're conservative or liberal? All you hear all day is about how you are an asshole, a liar, or a loser. 

And then why bother debating anything if it takes days for someone to respond to your debate? Who has the time to spend hours and hours a day sitting around waiting for someone to accept a debate? Moreover, who the hell uses email as their main notification system for social media sites?

If we want to save this site, we need to make engaging content. The forums have to be engaging. Asking questions on stuff, more games like mafia. We should also have tournaments, rap battles, etc. That stuff boosts engagement and retention rates.

The active people on this website should engage in regular debates. They shouldn't retire like pussies because they are too fucking scared of their rating dropping a point. If you think you can't win, then you don't deserve your rating in the first place. You think you're a shitty debater so why even cling to your "rating"?

Until we do stuff that boosts engagement this website will stay dead.

what a bitter loser you need to be to complain about what people are debating on a website you're free to have the debates you love on.

I'm just pointing out the elephant in the room. To outsiders looking in we look like a bunch of schoolgirls and lunatics.

Right now the trending posts are:

Now. Just step outside for a second and view this as an outsider. Doesn't this look a little nutso to you? Outside of mafia this is fringe political conspiracy bullshit (yes. I admit I posted the NewsGuard one, but only because I am so tired of seeing just fringe-left conspiracy theories on here all the time.)

But let's take in what is going on here:

Post one is cool.

Post two is bullshit schoolgirl drama

Post three is antifa-level conspiracy theories

Post four is shitposting about a conservative political marketing agency.

Post five is tinfoil anti-media conspiracy theories.

This isn't to say that the people posting this stuff is wrong or right. I am just saying it looks like extremism to anyone who joins. It looks toxic. And, tbh, it is toxic. We call each other liars, assholes, morons, and more. 

Now let's look at the debates currently available:

Two of them are literally shitposts on someone people visiting the website have not heard of. The other one is a hotbutton political issue from 3 years ago (it's mine. I admit. But I make these because nobody else fucking does except mall. So I never really have anything to accept anyways).

I'm just saying we should consider that maybe we are the problem here and if we want to do something about it, instead of complaining like little children and bitching at people and calling them names, we should do our part to make this the best website on the internet.

I honestly would like to remind you that the debate you think mattered vs me ended in a no-vote tie and the debates you're telling me nobody cares about may well get votes.

You worry about your grind, I worry about mine.

This is actually the best the website's ever been, I'm not complaining. Very few humans like to debate, get used to it. You cango to Quora or Reddit if popularity's the issue, post long rants there even, more will view it than your best post or debate here.

Did I say it mattered? honestly, I made it out of boredom. I didn't even agree with my own stance. But the only other options were the police brutality one and your superhero one.

I wanna do more debates on engaging topics. I chose that because I figured someone on here would take the bait. But nobody really cared. That's cool. But maybe nobody joins because we debate bullshit. Have you eber thought about that?

Similarwebs data for this website shows really low traffic metrics. And from what I can tell there are really only a handful of active members.

Most of the people who are in the top 30 of the leaderboard left one year ago. So this website is dying. People are leaving. And you insulting me isn't going to change reality.

If you want to openly admit you don't give a shit about your favorite website dying out, then just say so. I actually give a shit. I actually proposed a marketing plan. I actually came up with ideas to boost engagement. I offered to help rewrite the voting laws with the mods.

What have you done? 

I wouldn't call this my favourite website tbph but one of my fave websites is some basic bitch choice like netflix or youtube so im not sure i'm the right guy to discuss that with and other faves i prefer to keep private.

You arent going more than me to keep this site alive but if it helps your ego, believe that. Badmouth every active member keeping the website alive in order to save it. That will surely work.

You could pick... hahahaha oh man, you could pick ANY CATEGORY OF ACTIVITY.

You fucked with the one guy you objectively can't have done more than to promote activity on the website. Why do that to yourself? What category do you even want? I am near the top of them all.

I was thinking that was the likely accusation as well but it is clearly absurd. 

The site quite literally would not have survived without him and if he left it today it would mean a considerably less active site that would decay into ruin

If you feel offended then maybe it is because I'm right. 

Do you think that calling people: spreaders of disinformation, morons, assholes, propagandists, promoters of pedophilia, liars, or pathetic losers creates an inclusive environment for future members? Or do you think that is abrasive and a turn-off for most people?

Do you think that people will be attracted to a website where fringe-left political conspiracy theories takes up 80% of the forum? Maybe only if you are a fringe left conspiracy theorist or qanon cultmember you'll join.

And I simply pointed out the actions we are taking right now and how they could be the reasons the website is dying. That isn't badmouthing.

It's sad when people don't take debates because they are too concerned with a position on a leaderboard than with having fun debating. 

Look. I've worked for household names as a marketer. I've written articles that went viral on social media. My news stories on my news website were plastered on the biggest conservative news aggregators. Even cracked.com picked up one of my stories. I'd say I have a pretty good idea on marketing and engagement. I am trying to make this website better and, honestly, am tired of all the drama. Someone had to say it. I love this website but if this gives me hate then so be it.

At least I am trying to do something.

Then I'm thankful to RM and I apologize for being wrong about his not doing anything. If that is the truth then so be it.

We investigate accounts based on IP and device type. Vici shares a device type and an IP with the account. This is 100% of the time an accurate read, as users who close their originals and have new accounts tend to share a device type on the admin board. Not to mention, this user is never on at the same time as the other, suggesting they are the alternative account

Has she admitted to knowing the other person? Are they on a common device like a MacBook? 

Is there a way to just ban one account or both from voting to avoid damaging the site while maintaining a focus on justice? 

Well, I would like to think I caused a spike in involvement since my arrival and bringing forth controversial (taboo) topics on the racially divisive rhetoric in this country challenging some members' confirmation bias.

I'm just not quite ready to commit to a debate precisely for the reasons you identified. Namely 'time' being the main one. Waiting for another's response while understanding life does get in the way, to include myself. Being disappointed if someone disengages in the middle of the debate, wasting time even getting into it with them. So on and so forth. 

what why do you think that thats so random? 

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What.

hello alt!

Look I don't know what fuckery you've been up to, or really anything to do with you for that matter, but have personal commitments for the next two weeks (end of year examinations) which far trump the importance of online controversy. 

here is the grand reveiew!

If Vici really is Bones's alt, then that is the weirdest, most pointless troll I've ever seen.

If not, then do you guys use the same VPN or something?

Or is Vici being dishonest about who the mods claim he is?

Weird.

And yet, the timing of the last four posts would suggest that it's quite possible. They are only a few minutes apart. Bones was not tagged in the reveal, but noticed it immediately. Veeerrrry weird.

Was notified by the moderators that I am Vici's alt allegedly so there is truth to the story here. Truly, I'm lost for words here but I'll talk to the mods I suppose...

haha, well I just woke up, checked the site and was greeted by the mods message, so naturally, had to inspect Vici's account.

If it's true, close the Vici account and ask for mercy. If it's false, I don't know what I'd do in your shoes. Weird.

I mean a priori, I'm not a slave condoning, evolution denying apologetic, but I suppose at this stage, it is entirely possible to ad hoc postulate that there is some extraneous reason as to how these could be a mere facade. 

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how does it feel sharing such an extraordinary consciousness with a mind like me?