Conspiracy Theory Mafia [ENDGAME]

Pie is the MVP of this game.

The theme split was "Globalism vs. All Else." I'm sure all these have been said to be part of a globalist conspiracy by conspiracy theorists, but the New World Order is the only one where it's explicit.

I'd say this setup turned out to be scum-sided. It wasn't egregiously so, but I feel like I could've done better. The idea was to load town up with power and then provide a single mafioso to the chance to recruit one of them so they could use it for themselves. Looking back, I probably should've added an eighth player slot (preferably a Town Watcher or Clairvoyant) to give the Town one more guaranteed DP. That would've made this setup truly balanced, in my opinion. I'll give town at least three guaranteed DPs my future games.

In DP1, RM had a great idea to use his vanillaizer to confirm himself as Town, but he made a mistake outting that plan DP1. His gut read was right on Pie too, but he wasn't able to build a good case for it. Pie did a good job refuting the case without slipping up, and Town backed off on their inquiries of him. He didn't have to do an amazing job, either; RM was so hell-bent on proving Pie to be scum that he pushed town away from his correct read. RM did have a good idea asking the Town about the political wing their theory was on, though. It was off the mark, but it wouldn't have hurt. If anything, it would've limited Pie's fake claim choices. Unfortunately, RM went too far by asking everyone to out their character for his theories, and no one listened to him on theme split theories after that. Greyparrot made a mistake outting his character so easily, but he got away with it. Earth's character claim was fine because they were a Vanilla. Town made a mistake pressuring Whiteflame into claiming, and Pie took advantage and added to the pressure. I don't blame Whiteflame for claiming, given the pressure. Pie's fake character claim was mid, but it didn't matter. I'm not sure why the Town was sussing Supa, but he was lynched regardless.

NP1, Pie correctly speculated that Greyparrot was the Cop and that Whiteflame was the Doctor, but he took Barney instead. I think he should've taken Greyparrot, but whatever. Greyparrot's investigation into Whiteflame was a waste in my eyes, given that Whiteflame was a claimed Doctor. Whiteflame's protection of Barney was the right play from the information he had, but it ultimately didn't matter. I think Barney's vanillaization of Pie was ok, given he had little to lose in doing so.

DP2, Town had a bloc that included everyone but That2, Earth, and Pie; Barney didn't have to do much to hide in that bloc. I'm just confused by the defenses That2 and Earth put up, as neither were sufficient. If both had put up a better defense, the Town would've probably looked at Pie a bit more. Neither did, and the Town chose Earth. Pie's VIP claim was okay. Greyparrot definitely hammered too early when there was plenty of the DP left.

NP2, Greyparrot had the right idea to investigate Pie, and Whiteflame's self-protection wasn't a bad idea either. Unfortunately for the Town, Pie saw it coming, so he decided to kill That2.

It's the endgame

Or is it????

I failed

Ik Pie was mafia but acted way too scummy to convince anyone else, instead doing battle with Earth who was also inno, felt I had 0 hope against Pie so I was hoping Earth was mafia, sadly he was vanilla too

fun game

Me going with RM's plan caused my fall, specifically not defending why I did well

Live and learn :)

You're certainly improving.

I like the attitude on this guy :)

I feel I fell off since Luna's MMA Mafia

That was good play 

No one gets a personal best every time.

Long story short... yeah, this was a bit of a mess.

RM, honestly, if you hadn't been absolutely obsessed with pushing on Pie, I might have eventually come along with you to lynch him by the end of DP1. I scumread him in DP2, though I thought he was paired with either Earth or That2 and I made the call that it would be easier to tease that apart first. Clearly, I was misled in that regard (good on Pie for managing that), didn't at all expect the Recruiter role.

As for That2 and Earth... seriously, both of you seemed to be doing everything you could in DP2 to make yourselves look sus. Part of the reason why I didn't push hard on Pie was that both of you seemed to be doing as much as you possibly could to stand out. I kind of understand the desperation that you were exhibiting, That2, but that's not the response you should be exhibiting if you're trying to look townie. More frustrating by far for me was Earth. I kept asking you questions hoping that, eventually, you'd respond in a way that would at least clarify your thinking. I held off on VTLing you for a lot longer than I normally would have just to get something out of you, and when you responded with a post essentially giving up on defending yourself, that sealed it for me. That's not a townie response, and it was unusual even coming from you. Not sure why you think we would have all seen you as town after that performance. Defend your choices. Explain your reads. It would have helped a lot.

I know I could probably have done better, particularly with keeping my Doc role under wraps, though that claim actually could have helped us if GP had recognized it more clearly. I think copping either That2 or Earth innocent would have been reason enough to take attention off of one of them and start grilling the other and Pie. Don't know if that would have gotten us the win - at best, it would have made Pie look scummy by POE, though I'd still have pushed to kill either That2 or Earth way before I'd have pushed for Barney.

Yeah. That's where I think a Watcher or Clairvoyant would've helped. Alarmist too.

I literally PMed the mod and told him to modkill you for not playing to your win con. I told him that you were obviously Mafia and trying to throw the game on purpose. 

Why in the hell were you acting like scum. I can never trust any scum read I get on you

Why does everybody let the fact that RM is a spaz, prevent them from seeing how extraordinarily bright he is? 

Part of his chaotic genius is that because it comes from a bunch of disorganized random firing of brain cells he won't be able to explain his logic well, but if you town read him and he feels this strongly, you should just trust that and do what he says.

I no it ruins the fun of the game a bit to just follow someone you know is a chaotic genius blindly, but he is going to be right more than he is wrong when he feels that strongly and he won't feel that strongly often enough where you are just shadowing him the entire game but just for a mere DP

Credit to you on spotting the scum. Your strong feelings on it were much of why I targeted Pie.

I wasn’t 100% convinced or anything, but it was the best chance at stopping the night kill.

His gut was right but his reasoning was abhorrent

LlVP RM mg ass. XD

Pie slipped twice on DP2 btw due to how he outed and what he did mot think about or do

2 protective town PRs on top of vallinaiser and cop??

The whole thing was ridiculous and I am happy I replaced out.

Supa and earth were terrible.

Mafia on this website is a joke.

Also when Pie said he used his power NP1 and was not limited on top of a doc, I knew he was scum as hell.

He didn't fit any theme at all unless it was the antisemite scum theme and the deep state conspiracy is also antisemitic usually. GP was our only investigator.

It all added up it had to be Pie and I also suspected conversion possible but didn't say it. That was why I was hellbent on Pie.

That would never stop nightkill. You vallinaise after mafia acts and he would still be a goon with killing power.

I did not realize that about the role. I thought it was basically a roleblocker... But yeah, just read on the wiki, and when targeting mafia it can remove special powers the next night, but will only drop a mafia down to being a goon.

If gp said that2 or earth was innocent youd have blindlt voted the other off.

Yoy really overrated yourself and had I been in  the game you would have ignored me pushing on Pie.

If I was converted I'd have played it like Barney did, laughing at your naivety.

3 vanillas is not unthinkable with a vallinaiser, a cop and a protective pr on top.

The point was, you had zero reason to not suspect 2 prs as scum. Pie was so scummy and supa in his own way was so towny especially by what he claimed. You were not thinking and neither was anyone else except me. That2 is still 2nd best to me, I stand by that. Pie only seemed skilled because nobody else cam clearly read his thinking patterns.

I regret absolutely nothing, I played nearly picture perfect. If the other call me LVP it only is their i competence talking.

Considering that I never argued that I played this well, I don’t know why you claim that I “overrated” myself. I admitted I made the wrong call. Clearly, you made the right one here, I just think you weren’t very convincing to anyone else.  On that and only on that, we disagree.

This I can agree with.

Sometimes, yeah. Thing is, you could be literal Einstein and still be wrong sometimes. As for this plan of this,  I don't think having town out all their PRs was the play, even from the perspective of someone who didn't know the entire setup. It always gives the Mafia way too much information to work with for the Town. I think he would've naturally got enough info just by waiting for players to be hit with pressure.

Hahahaha, so your tantrum and crybaby attitude weren't the issue? Me being angry at a toxic piece of crap abusing the fact mods neglect this subforum and me being annoyed that nobody was being an effective town-player except me was the reason we lost?

Fuck off, that is nonsense.

Yeah but who is more likely to be wrong? It's okay to abandon your own reasoning to that of someone with superior intelligence. That's why elections should really only center around judging the intelligence of the candidates.

For example when voting for president and you have the options of a person with clear signs of dementia and a high IQ Wharton graduate. You take the Wharton graduate 

Dumb for town to lose focus there. Just do what he says and stay focused.