Proposal to change the sites official language

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Using that argument you could equally change the sites official language to Cornish, it is thought that only between 8,000 and 13,000 speak that.
Not the same at all. First of all esperanto is the easiest full language to learn.


Second of all, esperanto attracts people together 


Every year there are multiple esperanto festivals where people travel from all over the world merely to speak the language to each other. 


Cornish isn't going to attract any Cornish speakers, where esperanto will attract Esperanto speakers in large portions maybe up to 1 or 2 percent of all esperanto speakers globally.


This is also a group that is likely to have a higher IQ than even the average user here despite us having higher IQs than the general public. These are also people generally interested in global politics and economic politics of the Carl Marks. 


Esperanto speakers spend a lot of time debating each other, we might as well overtly give them a platform and also learn a new language ourselves. I just started the duo lingo course myself and Esperanto is said to be the only language you can learn solely on Duolingo and become proficient at. 
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If Christians can learn about God, they can surely learn Esperanto. The same cannot be said about Atheists.
What is to stop atheists learning Esperanto? In fact, I have known only known one person who had learnt Esperanto and they also happened to be an atheist.
 
Atheists can also learn about god, however you want to define god, it’s not difficult.
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I just checked and there are already a few Esperanto forums but none of them seemed particularly active, so changing this site’s language possibly wouldn’t be very productive.
 

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I just checked and there are already a few Esperanto forums but none of them seemed particularly active, so changing this site’s language possibly wouldn’t be very productive.
 Incorrect. These people literally travel to random countries to listen to each other speak, no matter how shitty an esperanto book is 20k people will buy it merely for the language it is written in. 

There is a lot of indication that appealing to a demographic that loves debating and engaging with each other in a particular way, by offering to debate them in their preferred ways to communicate will draw them in. 

Let's say the forum is less active though. By requiring this language be spoken it will weed out the retards on this forum and raise the average IQ of people posting here, this bringing more engaging conversation 
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Let's say the forum is less active though. By requiring this language be spoken it will weed out the retards on this forum and raise the average IQ of people posting here, this bringing more engaging conversation 
Once again, no, it won't. People will just use google translate.
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Once again, no, it won't. People will just use google translate.
Good luck avoiding learning the language when you spend 4 hours a day here and have to Google translate every word you want to use. 
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 Incorrect. These people literally travel to random countries to listen to each other speak, no matter how shitty an esperanto book is 20k people will buy it merely for the language it is written in. 

There is a lot of indication that appealing to a demographic that loves debating and engaging with each other in a particular way, by offering to debate them in their preferred ways to communicate will draw them in. 

Let's say the forum is less active though. By requiring this language be spoken it will weed out the retards on this forum and raise the average IQ of people posting here, this bringing more engaging conversation 
Yes, but we aren’t talking about people travelling to other countries, and people with minority interests will often travel long distances to engage with those who share their interests.
 
I certainly wouldn’t bother learning Esperanto simply to communicate on some forum, so I guess that makes me one of the retards.
 
The purpose of language is to communicate, therefore having an understanding of a language that a large number of people also understand will aide communication but learning some obscure language that only a few people understand doesn’t; in fact it could be seen as divisive.
 
I would hope one day for a world where people speak only one language, I think it would help unify humanity.
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I would hope one day for a world where people speak only one language, I think it would help unify humanity.
You aren't helping that situation if you don't learn esperanto and push it onto other people
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You aren't helping that situation if you don't learn esperanto and push it onto other people
I'm all for learning languages, and unifying the world. But pushing Esperanto specifically on people is not the way to do it.
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You aren't helping that situation if you don't learn esperanto and push it onto other people
I don’t think my not learning Esperanto has contributed to its success or failure, my influence isn’t that great. However, I do try not to push things onto other people and I am wary of those who do, it smacks of authoritarianism.
 
Initially Esperanto was a good idea, to create a common tongue that would help breakdown international boundaries. It has had moments of success but has never really caught on, possibly one of the main reasons is the rise of English, mainly because of America, it has become the international language for trade and now it is seen as the language of the internet.
 
I think if we survive long enough we will end up with an international language, the way things are going it will probably be based on English but incorporating other languages, that is how a language develops; English is largely a mixture of Latin, Germanic languages and French.
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It already is English, people disagreeing are just very proud/insecure for no rational reason.

If the world all spoke Mandarin, it's no need to be ashamed, just learn it and adapt.
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It already is English, people disagreeing are just very proud/insecure for no rational reason.

If the world all spoke Mandarin, it's no need to be ashamed, just learn it and adapt.
I agree, but people will try to cling to their language because they see it as part of their culture and national identity.
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What you guys are missing is that English, mandarin French all of these other international languages are hard to learn. It really excludes the working class and poor of the world, while esperanto you can become fluent in, in 6 months sitting on your toilet. While languages like English take 4 years of intense study, excluding people who have better shit to do like work and support a family. 
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Esperanto is not easier to learn.

The languages that are least like English are also going to struggle a lot with Esperanto since it mimics English/Germanic grammar.


As I told you, to me German is the secretly most similar language to English (other than Afrikaans)
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If you ignore the complex gendering of terms in German, it is incredibly similar to English in that the way you put a thought into a sentence is very akin to the other apart from that in German you say 'car blue' rather than blue car and you add der, die or das before nouns in places you do not add 'the' in English.

I am not claiming if I am or am not fully fluent in Deutsch but I can tell you it is far more similar to English that the sound of the language makes it appear.
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As far as native languages are concerned you may be right, but esperanto has zero irregularities which is the hardest part of learning a language. There are Chinese people who are fluent in esperanto in 9 months who have been studying English for years and still don't have a good grasp of it.

You also have the fact native English speakers have a command on the language that gives them an unfair advantage when debating non English speakers. There are PHD graduate philosophy students whose native language is Sanskrit and I would fuck them up in a philosophy debate that is in English. The same people with an equal grasp of esperanto as me would crush me quite easily and be better able to elucidate upon their ideals
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I have been studying German for 2 years and Esperanto for 2 weeks and I can almost speak better esperanto. 
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My German study was way more. I tense as well
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Lol,show me these people who are unable to learn English that find Esperanto easy.

Maybe east europeans as the syntax fits them more.
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Of you find German harder than Esperanto, idk what to tell you, that makes no sense to me.

Do you know what is actually difficult?

Languages with something I call fluid grammar. Tamil, Japanese, Korean, Mandarin, Hindi, Scandinavian languages and many less well known ones have languages where the same words have different forms in different situations and i do not just mean tense at all.
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Different sentences are structured so differently for no real reason in those languages, they are hard to understand, not just speak, for someone used to more rigid structured ones.
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Esperanto was designed to be easy. Meanwhile English has too many words where even I have not mastered the language. You have alsoo pronunciation stupidity where every letter in esperanto is pronounced the same no matter what. Here are some words that do not rhyme in English.

1. Dough
2. Rough
3. Through

You also have very complicated rules in English about word ordering. Even stuff you don't know being a native. For example you can have a big, red, bloody knife but if you rearrange those words you sound like a nut
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So none of those double standards exist in esperanto?
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Imma be real with you chief. I ain't learning Esperanto.
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So none of those double standards exist in esperanto?
Correct. It was created to eliminate everything that makes languages hard, while retaining the ability to convey anything you want, unlike other conlangs that merely try to make everything easy, like toki pona. 

Words are eurocentric such as about 60% of it from latin, 30% from Germanic languages and and the sentence structures being largely Slavic. 
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I can speak a lot of languages thanks to my trans app on my phone. But I am too lazy to use it.

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All jokes aside, thanks for this, I may legit get something to put on my resume, I'm learning it by duolingo now and I must admit given some experience with Spanish already, it's possible I will legit get fluent soon.
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Προτείνω ότι η επίσημη γλώσσα του DebateArt.com να είναι τα ελληνικά
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Προτείνω ότι η επίσημη γλώσσα του DebateArt.com να είναι τα ελληνικά
That’s all Greek to me.
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If Christians can learn about God, they can surely learn Esperanto. The same cannot be said about Atheists.
What is to stop atheists learning Esperanto? In fact, I have known only known one person who had learnt Esperanto and they also happened to be an atheist.
 
Atheists can also learn about god, however you want to define god, it’s not difficult.
The fact we have the Bible translated into Esperanto is proof Christians demanded it.