Republican nut job is getting divorced

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Although she is always talking about religion and family values, nut job Marjorie Taylor Greene is getting divorced after 27 years of marriage. Her husband filed for divorce saying he has had enough. They had married in 1995 while both were in college.

Marjorie is still saying Trump won in 2020. No wonder her husband left her. Pretty soon her 3 children will disown her too. 

The Bible says God hates divorce. Looks like Greene is another cafeteria Christian who picks and chooses what they like and what they don’t care for.
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Melanie Trump is not divorcing Trump.

So why is Marjorie Taylor Greene getting divorced after 27 years of marriage? Trump isn’t  available.
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Melanie Trump is not divorcing Trump.

So why is Marjorie Taylor Greene getting divorced after 27 years of marriage? Trump isn’t  available.
Greene's husband asked for the divorce, and just because Trump is not divorcing Melania doesn't mean he's not available, just ask Stormy Daniels, or Marla Maples, or Jessica Leeds, or Karen McDougal, or all the women he grabbed by the naughty parts because "when you're a star, you can do anything to women", or........
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True, women only care about money, regardless of political affiliation.
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Be honest, when you read that Trump was available, you wanted to drive to Mar-A Lago, right?
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Oh, so you're on your way to Georgia then. 
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Nah, Trump don't want no scrub.
Yeah, I'm sure he'd rather go for Ivanka than you, sorry man.


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Oh, so you're on your way to Georgia then. 


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I've raised this point elsewhere (not on this site), but it's worth repeating:

If you did not initiate the divorce, then what agency did you have in the other person's decision? Would it please God if you locked your spouse in a basement to keep them from divorcing you? If not, then how are you blameworthy for it?
Jesus cited one rationale (sexual immorality) as justifying divorce. Is there proof that MTG committed such an act?
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Looks like Greene is another cafeteria Christian who picks and chooses what they like and what they don’t care for.

As do all Christians that I 've met.


The Bible says God hates divorce

Isaiah 50:1
The Prophet Isaiah says that God divorced Israel for her “transgressions” against him.

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True, women only care about money, regardless of political affiliation.

Gay Parrot has a warped relationship with women. Probably because he has never kissed one and he lives in his mother’s basement.
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If you did not initiate the divorce,
Perhaps she was not a good and godly wife as prescribed by the Bible. Perhaps she was cold or slovenly.

Ephesians 5:22-30: Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.

she’s a phony Christian. Perhaps she should have talked less and listened more, including while around her husband.

Ephesians 5:33, Paul says, ” … let the wife see that she respects her husband.” When you respect your husband you notice him, regard him, honor him, prefer him, and esteem him. It means valuing his opinion, admiring his wisdom and character, appreciating his commitment to you, and considering his needs and values.

Characteristics of a Godly Wife

She trusts the Lord. The Bible talks a lot about anxiety and worry. ...
She seeks the Lord. ...
She prays for her man, her marriage and herself. ...
She is modest. ...
She has a gentle and quiet spirit. ...
She is trustworthy. ...
She serves the Lord in whatever she is doing. ...
She respects her husband.

Well this doesn’t characterize Marjorie. Modest? Gentle and quiet? Trustworthy? That’s not MJT

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As you yourself inferred, the probable reason is the stress on their personal lives wrought by MTG's political activism. This is unrelated to the question of how she conducted herself as a spouse, and you're spouting allegations without proof.
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As you yourself inferred, the probable reason is the stress on their personal lives wrought by MTG's political activism. This is unrelated to the question of how she conducted herself as a spouse, and you're spouting allegations without proof.
Nevertheless, her marriage is a failure. She put her political career ahead of being a wife which led to a divorce. A true Christian would never do such a thing.

It’s obvious she uses religion as a prop to win votes from gullible Christians.

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She thought it said "American Idiot Auditions"
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Melanie Trump is not divorcing Trump.

So why is Marjorie Taylor Greene getting divorced after 27 years of marriage? Trump isn’t  available.
Greene's husband asked for the divorce, and just because Trump is not divorcing Melania doesn't mean he's not available, just ask Stormy Daniels, or Marla Maples, or Jessica Leeds, or Karen McDougal, or all the women he grabbed by the naughty parts because "when you're a star, you can do anything to women", or........
If she wanted Trump to grab her by then naughty parts , all she had to do was stand next to Trump.

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Hell, she just needs to have nice smelling hair and put on a kids mask and she can get free sniffs too!
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Hell, she just needs to have nice smelling hair and put on a kids mask and she can get free sniffs too!
You have very simple taste for women.

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She put her political career ahead of being a wife which led to a divorce

A fair statement, I guess.

A true Christian would never do such a thing.

As there's always a risk of this happening, by that logic no true Christian would be involved in politics, or the military, firefighting, policing, being a pastor or minister, etc. No true Christian would throw himself into his/her career in such a way that'd leave less time for their spouse.

It’s obvious she uses religion as a prop to win votes from gullible Christians.

Gullible?
MTG is not a spiritual leader. She is a government official and works in that capacity alone. She could be a hard-orgying devil worshiping meth addict, but so long as she both governed competently (which, in all fairness to you, she doesn't) and reasonably upheld the legitimate interests of her Christian constituents, there would be no particular inconsistency in voting for her.
Of course, MTG is not a hard-orgying devil worshiping meth addict. She's a person from a Christian or vaguely Christian background who is morally flawed in roughly the same ways as the average American. If she uses religious language in her posturing, that could be intended to signal "I recognize your legitimate interests as Christian Americans and I will try to uphold these", not that she herself is a contemporary Billy Graham.

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Gullible?
MTG is not a spiritual leader. She is a government official and works in that capacity alone. She could be a hard-orgying devil worshiping meth addict, but so long as she both governed competently (which, in all fairness to you, she doesn't) and reasonably upheld the legitimate interests of her Christian constituents, there would be no particular inconsistency in voting for her.
Of course, MTG is not a hard-orgying devil worshiping meth addict. She's a person from a Christian or vaguely Christian background who is morally flawed in roughly the same ways as the average American. If she uses religious language in her posturing, that could be intended to signal "I recognize your legitimate interests as Christian Americans and I will try to uphold these", not that she herself is a contemporary Billy Graham.
Getting divorced and chasing after Trump is hardly a Christian model.

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Gay Parrot has a warped relationship with women. Probably because he has never kissed one and he lives in his mother’s basement.

Trailer parks have basements?
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and reasonably upheld the legitimate interests of her Christian constituents, there would be no particular inconsistency in voting for her.
Look, if she is going to market herself in elections as a Christian “defender of the faith” or “my religion is the best religion” or any other similar persona, she should follow those beliefs and tenets and at least try to live by them. But more importantly, if a Christian voter supports an immoral candidate,
 just because they pledge to uphold their legislative interests, then that so-called Christian voter is a fraud. Being a Christian isn’t like saying you subscribe to the Keynesian economic theory. It should mean you can’t vote for an immoral person. And Majorie Taylor Greene’s conduct in Congress is immoral including being a sycophant of the immoral former one term, twice impeached President.

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As there's always a risk of this happening, by that logic no true Christian would be involved in politics, or the military, firefighting, policing, being a pastor or minister, etc. No true Christian would throw himself into his/her career in such a way that'd leave less time for their spouse.
To be honest, I think you are taking liberties with the Bible or engaging in a little revision to benefit your argument. The Bible encourages women to support their husband’s careers without reciprocating by the husband in the same manner. And unfortunately, since the Bible was written 2000 years ago and there’s no way for the book to be revised, Christians, including women, are stuck with what they have. It is what it is, an old book written by men.

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But more importantly, if a Christian voter supports an immoral candidate, just because they pledge to uphold their legislative interests, then that so-called Christian voter is a fraud
The Bible says "render unto God what is God's and render unto Caesar what is Caesar's", which as elaborated by later theologians such as St. Augustine means making a distinction between religious affairs and secular politics.
If you expect Christians to demand their leadership be Christian, then that's one thing. But you can't simultaneously expect them to uphold separation of church and state, as they would necessarily take up arms in rebellion against non-Christian leaders. Christians having a willingness to vote for non-Christian politicians is a good thing according to the generally held values of liberal democracy.

So then, what are the obligations of Christians in politics, assuming that they aren't Jehovah's Witness-style abstentionists? It is to advance the good, which more or less is what everyone seeks to gain from the political process. But chasing the good is an elusive and messy thing; this means ascribing to ethical and pragmatic philosophies of governance, and supporting people and/or parties whose policies will reflect these philosophies.

The extent to which this is connected to a politician's private conduct is debatable at best; had Abe Lincoln owned two dozen slaves, that wouldn't have made it a bad idea for him to issue the Emancipation Proclamation.
Why? Because had he refused out of his own moral unworthiness, other people would've continued to needlessly suffer. Freeing the Southern slaves still would've been the right call, in every conceivable scenario, even if Honest Abe turned out to be personally a hypocrite in the process.
(You might retort "He could've freed his own slaves and then issued the proclamation", but assuming he wasn't willing to do that, you would have to agree that it'd still be best for this hypothetical slave owner to opt to free the Southern slaves as opposed to not doing so.)
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If you expect Christians to demand their leadership be Christian, 
Well that would suggest that a Christian can’t vote for a Jew or a Muslim, etc… I’m saying they can’t vote for someone who is immoral. They certainly can and should be willing to vote for a non-Christian or even an Atheist, assuming they are moral people. I’m sure you would agree Christianity does not have a monopoly on morality. But to call yourself a Christian, which is all about morality and following the teachings of Christ, and then vote for a candidate who is obviously immoral, is grossly hypocritical to say the least.

The Bible says "render unto God what is God's and render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"
I’ve also seen this interpreted to mean that Christian’s should follow the law and obey governmental authority. Considering Christianity became the dominant religion of Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire, it’s easy to see that no government (or monarch)was going to allow that Christianity to take root without getting obedience in return. 

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what are the obligations of Christians in politics… it is to advance the good
Socrates said the only good is wisdom and the only evil is ignorance. Which of these do you think Marjorie Taylor Greene represents?

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Let me start by prefacing that, to date, this has been largely a hypothetical discussion.

I haven't yet seen evidence that MTG has done anything wrong, aside from having wacky politics. I guess it's possible that she has, sure. But the fact remains that, whether she has done a thing or not, either way the left would allege that she is guilty of every sort of moral failing under the sun. It doesn't matter which conservative or right-leaning politician Christians vote for: this will hold true no matter what. For obvious political reasons there's bottomless incentive to either point out whatever's there or, if nothing at all, manufacture stuff from thin air. This might as well be an ironclad law of American politics.

So far as avoiding support for a politician who the left will accuse of wrongdoings and immorality, the only way for this to happen is to either abstain from politics or capitulate all of their values and vote Democrat. A famous anecdote has it that even Billy Graham had an aide who would enter rooms ahead of him because journalists would try to ambush him with promiscuous women accompanied by a photographer, so it's probably not a stretch to say that Jesus himself would be made into Satan if he had an (R) next to his name.

That being said, we are supposing here for the sake of argument that a given politician is in fact immoral or otherwise unchristian in their private life.

Well that would suggest that a Christian can’t vote for a Jew or a Muslim, etc
You're saying that Christians should refuse to vote for a person who doesn't reflect Christian values.
If so, that necessarily excludes anyone who isn't a Christian, as non-Christians reject by default the most important Christian value: turning to God in repentance and accepting the gift of salvation offered by Jesus Christ, along with the need to evangelize communities and people which/who have not accepted Christ so that they might also be saved from their sins. Being moral on earth, while still important, is secondary to the question of eternal souls.

If Christians must demand this quality from their leaders in order to not be hypocrites (according to you), then it follows that they must reject the leadership of ANYONE who is not a Christian. You cannot take to some wishy-washy re-definition of Christian values. And given that you probably do not identify as being Christian, it's laughable that you think you are qualified to define what true Christian values are.

But to call yourself a Christian, which is all about morality and following the teachings of Christ, and then vote for a candidate who is obviously immoral, is grossly hypocritical to say the least.
You have made your position clear and you will not budge. I have made my position clear and I will not budge. I can't imagine anything fruitful coming out of a shouting match where we autistically rehash the same talking points over and over again.

I’ve also seen this interpreted to mean that Christian’s should follow the law and obey governmental authority.
Again, if Christians must submit to the government without regard for who their leaders are, then it follows that Christians are not obliged to only support Christian or even particularly moral leaders.
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Socrates said the only good is wisdom and the only evil is ignorance.
The Bible defines "the fear of the Lord" as the beginning of wisdom. It has nothing positive to say about secular "wisdom" that rejects God.
Also, per the Bible all suffering on earth was literally caused by a man and a woman being promised wisdom if they ate a fruit. Though in Socrates's defense, of course, he grew up in a pagan culture and knew nothing of the Bible.

Which of these do you think Marjorie Taylor Greene represents?
She's not the sharpest tool in the shed. There's no argument there. If it's a question of whether, ideally, any other Republican should've won her seat, I would agree wholeheartedly with you.
That being said, she's been made into this superhuman caricature that goes beyond her actual shortcomings. When she tweeted an admittedly dumb thing about lasers from the air supposedly causing a wildfire (and to be fair, the technology isn't as farfetched today as it used to be), the media spun it into "Jewish space lasers" out of whole cloth despite no mention whatsoever of Jews. Seeing as they lied about that detail, I can only imagine how many journalistic "embellishments" inform the left's assessment of her.