Most people dont know how badly the pedophiles are treated in prison

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In fact, if you want him/her to be prevented from pedophilic acts and genuinely believed he/she was unaware of the danger of prison why would you warn him/her? Why are you trying to keep pedophiles free?
I suppose you could see trying to keep a pedophile from acting on his impulse as  trying to keep him free, and I have no idea why that's a problem for you, but then again, I don't really understand your alternative logic.
If he/she thought it was legal then he/she would just walk up to someone and ask. If he/she was informed that it was illegal he/she would create a secret plot. Got it?

Yea of course you know that, just like you know that every pedophile knows the consequences.
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In fact, if you want him/her to be prevented from pedophilic acts and genuinely believed he/she was unaware of the danger of prison why would you warn him/her? Why are you trying to keep pedophiles free?
I suppose you could see trying to keep a pedophile from acting on his impulse as  trying to keep him free, and I have no idea why that's a problem for you, but then again, I don't really understand your alternative logic.
If he/she thought it was legal then he/she would just walk up to someone and ask. If he/she was informed that it was illegal he/she would create a secret plot. Got it?
Whack job, got it.


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I feel ur pain man the capitalist scum police once searched the basement of the church were I work as a priest and they found the kids and I went to jail and the other prisoners didnt take kindly to pedofile priests so i took it in the booty. Wasn't fun man. 2/10. Would not recommend to other pedofiles. North Korea is a better place to live as a proud pedofile.
How do you think the kids felt taking it in the booty by a priest?

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It was a joke. Just some dark humor and a throwback to the sort of trolling I used to pull on DDO.
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It was a joke. Just some dark humor and a throwback to the sort of trolling I used to pull on DDO.
I appreciated it.

<3
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Whatever/whoever that person is, they aren’t worth arguing with. That’s why I could only “rofl” at their response to me — they’re totally stupid, pathetic, and a waste of time.

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Pedophiles can't be rehabbed or treated.
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"I have a better way to find out what someone really wants, ask them; not yourself"

Yes, usually, you should ask them. But there are situations where that is not possible.

In those situations peoole usually confuse "what does a child want" with what they want.
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Now you insult other people too?

Will you insult anyone who disagrees with you?
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"he says "legally  unable" is not an argument, it is in fact a valid argument under the law"

So the law is a valid argument under the law?

The main points of discussion were: Can children consent? Is it harmful for children?

Law has nothing to do with these topics.
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I have a better way to find out what someone really wants, ask them; not yourself
Yes, usually, you should ask them. But there are situations where that is not possible.
Almost every response you give is orthogonal to the context.

In those situations peoole usually confuse "what does a child want" with what they want.
That's exactly what "greater consent" boils down to.

If you're going to act on your own best judgement regardless of what someone else thinks, that's not consent.
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"If you're going to act on your own best judgement regardless of what someone else thinks, that's not consent"

Thats why you must consider what they want in order to uphold their consent and greater consent.

In every context, the greater consent comes as most important.
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What do I disagree with them on?

I’m merely saying that people shouldn’t take you or that other person seriously. 
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"they aren’t worth arguing with. That’s why I could only “rofl” at their response to me — they’re totally stupid, pathetic, and a waste of time"
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“Most people dont know how badly the pedophiles are treated in prison”

Oh, we all know…we normal (non-pedophile) people just don’t care. They get what they deserve (reap what you sow)!!!!
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I feel ur pain man the capitalist scum police once searched the basement of the church were I work as a priest and they found the kids and I went to jail and the other prisoners didnt take kindly to pedofile priests so i took it in the booty. Wasn't fun man. 2/10. Would not recommend to other pedofiles. North Korea is a better place to live as a proud pedofile.
How do you think the kids felt taking it in the booty by a priest?

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It was a joke. Just some dark humor and a throwback to the sort of trolling I used to pull on DDO.
You described kids taking it in the booty by a priest as a joke. You even admit you did that often on DDO. This only brought back memories of your dark humour. But no mention about when you stopped forcing kids to take it in the booty by you a priest.
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I said that because he’s arguing with you, lol. You’re an obvious troll (or worse, a pedo-troll) who can barely even speak English, let alone defend your pedophilic tendencies in a compelling way. Not that it’s possible to do that, but you’re really failing miserably at convincing anyone here.

All you can come up with in response to me is “where is harm, there is no harm...what harm...no harm.” Well fuck, that’s one powerful argument you’ve got there.

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I said that because he’s arguing with you, lol. You’re an obvious troll (or worse, a pedo-troll) who can barely even speak English, let alone defend your pedophilic tendencies in a compelling way. Not that it’s possible to do that, but you’re really failing miserably at convincing anyone here.

All you can come up with in response to me was “where is harm, there is no harm...what harm...no harm.” Well fuck, that’s one powerful argument you’ve got there.
You are even confirming Best.Korea has one powerful argument.

Best.Korea found you very insulting.

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Now you insult other people too?

Will you insult anyone who disagrees with you?

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You are even confirming Best.Korea has one powerful argument.
Uh, no. 

Best.Korea found you very insulting.
I’m starting to think THEY may be a child. Only children or adults with developmental issues would see my comments and just think “insults”, and give that more credence than anything else I said. 

Most pedophiles probably are mentally delayed though.
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You are even confirming Best.Korea has one powerful argument.
Uh, no. 
Then explain your reply to Best.Korea here: “Well fuck, that’s one powerful argument you’ve got there.”

Best.Korea found you very insulting.
I’m starting to think THEY may be a child. Only children or adults with developmental issues would see my comments and just think “insults”, and give that more credence than anything else I said. 
And you said: “Well fuck, that’s one powerful argument you’ve got there.”
Most pedophiles probably are mentally delayed though.
But what is the excuse for your reaction where you are awed by Beat.Korea.
Here is how you complimented Best.Korea. “Well fuck, that’s one powerful argument you’ve got there.”
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In every context, the greater consent comes as most important.
Ok, my last try: I gave you an example of where this concept of greater consent was not more important, buying an "as is" house. You said "well greater consent is violated but no one is to blame"

Well now let's say everybody knows about the defect, but the buyer wants to take it on anyway.

If the seller doesn't think it's a good idea, they are not doing something immoral by selling the house. The buyer, after being given all relevant information possessed by other parties in the interaction, has a right to his or her own judgement.

Although it is moral for the seller to refuse to sell, it is not immoral to sell. The consent of a peer absent of fraud is sufficient. Thus "greater consent" fails to function as the "unified field theory" of moral interaction.
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In every context, the greater consent comes as most important.
Ok, my last try: I gave you an example of where this concept of greater consent was not more important, buying an "as is" house. You said "well greater consent is violated but no one is to blame"

Well now let's say everybody knows about the defect, but the buyer wants to take it on anyway.

If the seller doesn't think it's a good idea, they are not doing something immoral by selling the house. The buyer, after being given all relevant information possessed by other parties in the interaction, has a right to his or her own judgement.

Although it is moral for the seller to refuse to sell, it is not immoral to sell. The consent of a peer absent of fraud is sufficient. Thus "greater consent" fails to function as the "unified field theory" of moral interaction.
Buyers are advised to consult experts before making an offer. That includes house inspection experts and lawyers.

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All you can come up with in response to me is “where is harm, there is no harm...what harm...no harm.” Well fuck, that’s one powerful argument you’ve got there.
It's all the argument you need when the burden of proof isn't yours. If it weren't for Lemming posting a link to studies there wouldn't be an original argument to engage with. I know most of you are emotionally impaired on this issue but that is really extra pathetic.

The way Shila can't recognize (or pretends not to recognize) sarcasm and Sidewinder is hiding under a couch makes it worse. If it was twitter or a video game chat that would be one thing, but this is one of the last of a dying breed of debate sites. If reason is dead here, it's dead everywhere.

This thread has emptied my "faith in humanity" meter. It takes a while to fill that, very annoying.
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All you can come up with in response to me is “where is harm, there is no harm...what harm...no harm.” Well fuck, that’s one powerful argument you’ve got there.
It's all the argument you need when the burden of proof isn't yours. If it weren't for Lemming posting a link to studies there wouldn't be an original argument to engage with. I know most of you are emotionally impaired on this issue but that is really extra pathetic.

The way Shila can't recognize (or pretends not to recognize) sarcasm and Sidewinder is hiding under a couch makes it worse. If it was twitter or a video game chat that would be one thing, but this is one of the last of a dying breed of debate sites. If reason is dead here, it's dead everywhere.

This thread has emptied my "faith in humanity" meter. It takes a while to fill that, very annoying.
You wanted to know how to deal with buyers and sellers of a house and what to consider before giving consent.
Buyers are advised to consult experts before making an offer. That includes house inspection experts and lawyers.
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"Well now let's say everybody knows about the defect, but the buyer wants to take it on anyway"

If the buyer knows about the defect and agrees to it, there is no greater consent being violated by anyone.

In fact, the greater consent is upheld by everyone in that situation.

"Although it is moral for the seller to refuse to sell, it is not immoral to sell"
Actually, its not moral or immoral unless it supports or violates greater consent.

Greater consent is a complete moral system.

It is different from "the greater good" in a sense that greater consent of an individual represents his complete goals.

Upholding those goals means to uphold his greater consent.
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Well now let's say everybody knows about the defect, but the buyer wants to take it on anyway
If the buyer knows about the defect and agrees to it, there is no greater consent being violated by anyone.
There is more than the defect, there are the implications of the defect.

The seller believes the defect cannot me remedied without taking a huge financial loss. The buyer believes it can.

You defined "greater consent" as whether someone with better knowledge would still consent if they could go back in time. You extended it to others, so the seller has an imaginary version of the buyer in his head that wouldn't consent after learning (for sure) that the defect is beyond remedy.

Therefore the seller violated greater consent by accepting "lesser" (aka real) consent.

Let's say that it turns out the seller was right, it was impossible to fix and the house had to be demolished; effectively wasting a decade of the buyer's hard work.

So the buyer came to the realization that it would have been better if he had never consented, therefore his greater consent was violated.

Yet the only way to "not violate" this greater consent would be to assume that the seller is right and reject the buyer's consent as invalid. Indeed in the full context of the analogy where minor/adult sex is actively punished by the state, police would have to come and arrest the seller before he violated greater consent.

This is absurd, it is incompatible with the principle of liberty from which the moral significance of consent arises.

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You wanted to know how to deal with buyers and sellers of a house and what to consider before giving consent.
No I didn't, not even close.
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The original post is almost entirely centered around how pedo_troll says they were treated in prison, and that was what I responded to. 

They then claimed that pedophilia does not harm children, which is a demonstrably stupid and untrue thing to say. Many children and adults (who were sexually abused as children) said that this sexual abuse harmed them, so who are we to call them liars?

Pedo_troll may even say that they are vulnerable to harm by not being able to have sexual relations with children, and maybe that is true. To that extent, I wouldn’t deny the existence of that harm. If someone says something is harmful to them, we have to take their word for it. 

Multiple children have said that having sexual relations with adults was harmful, and I believe them. 

It is beyond stupid for pedo_troll to deny the existence of such harms.
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You wanted to know how to deal with buyers and sellers of a house and what to consider before giving consent.
No I didn't, not even close.
Here is your post on seller and buyer post#146

ADreamOfLiberty responds to Best.Korea: There is more than the defect, there are the implications of the defect.

The seller believes the defect cannot me remedied without taking a huge financial loss. The buyer believes it can.

You defined "greater consent" as whether someone with better knowledge would still consent if they could go back in time. You extended it to others, so the seller has an imaginary version of the buyer in his head that wouldn't consent after learning (for sure) that the defect is beyond remedy.

Therefore the seller violated greater consent by accepting "lesser" (aka real) consent.

Let's say that it turns out the seller was right, it was impossible to fix and the house had to be demolished; effectively wasting a decade of the buyer's hard work.

So the buyer came to the realization that it would have been better if he had never consented, therefore his greater consent was violated.

Yet the only way to "not violate" this greater consent would be to assume that the seller is right and reject the buyer's consent as invalid. Indeed in the full context of the analogy where minor/adult sex is actively punished by the state, police would have to come and arrest the seller before he violated greater consent.

This is absurd, it is incompatible with the principle of liberty from which the moral significance of consent arises.