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@sadolite
The same actually doesn't go for Mass. It's expensive near everywhere in Mass.
DeSantis’ troll attempt fails miserably
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@TWS1405
Aka Best to die in. Not best to live in.
Nice theatrics by a community that knew they were on camera and that there was no real chance these arrivals would be staying for very long.
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@Swagnarok
Oscar worthy.
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@Swagnarok
Nice theatrics by a community that knew they were on camera and that there was no real chance these arrivals would be staying for very long.
Believe it or not, there are a lot of us who don't think the world is a reality TV show, its possible they were just being good people.
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@Greyparrot
I don't live there so I will have to take your word for it. The closer you live to a big city the more expensive it is to live. Pretty much the rule of thumb everywhere in the world. I am sure there are exceptions, there always are. Sarasota isn't big by any comparison to big cities. But the real-estate is the most sought after in the State.
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@Sidewalker
Good people for 24 hours lol. Then it's back to Nimby life on easystreet.
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@sadolite
I lived in Florida (Orlando) for a year. Nice State.
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@Sidewalker
Sure. That's certainly possible.
But even if so, they did what they did in the context of almost nothing being at stake from welcoming the arrivals. They weren't going to stay long enough to cause major problems, they couldn't afford the property values there anyway, the kind of people who live at Martha's Vineyard would probably equate illegal immigrants with legal immigrants, and said immigrants would overwhelmingly vote for the same party as the locals if given the chance to vote (or their children down the road). There was little perceived threat.
Which is not to say that this community was in any sense immune to tribalism. Had a bunch of fundamentalist Christians, or non-supremacist white nationalists moved into Martha's Vineyard in numbers great enough to stage a takeover of local politics, it wouldn't have been tolerated by the locals.
Why? Because said groups are the clear outgroup from the perspective of the locals. It's not a test of tolerance when more of the ingroup moves in but more of the outgroup.
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@Greyparrot
--> @ShilaHow bad is California’s housing shortage? A 2015 study by the state’s Legislative Analyst found that the state has been building about 110,000 fewer units than the amount needed to keep up with demand. And California has been doing this for more than 30 years! That adds up to a shortage of around 3.5 million housing units and counting. And that translates to higher prices. A 2,400 square foot home in San Francisco will cost around $1.4 million if you’re lucky. The same house in Phoenix, a metro area about the same size, might go for around $400,000. And don’t get us started on the gas prices, the highest in the nation.2022 Cost of Living Score: 3 out of 50 points (Top States Grade: F)Consumer Price Index (May, West Region): UP 8.3%Average Home Price (San Francisco): $1,396,782Half Gallon of Milk: $2.55Monthly Energy Bill: $266.44
California is a sanctuary state. The Refugees have high standards so these sanctuary states should be prepared before they accept them.
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@Swagnarok
Sure. That's certainly possible.But even if so, they did what they did in the context of almost nothing being at stake from welcoming the arrivals. They weren't going to stay long enough to cause major problems, they couldn't afford the property values there anyway, the kind of people who live at Martha's Vineyard would probably equate illegal immigrants with legal immigrants, and said immigrants would overwhelmingly vote for the same party as the locals if given the chance to vote (or their children down the road). There was little perceived threat.
How exactly were 50 immigrants in San Antonia Texas a percieved threat to the people of Florida?
Which is not to say that this community was in any sense immune to tribalism. Had a bunch of fundamentalist Christians, or non-supremacist white nationalists moved into Martha's Vineyard in numbers great enough to stage a takeover of local politics, it wouldn't have been tolerated by the locals.
I've had considerable experience with social programs for people in need, the people that stepped up always transcended tribalism, religion, politics, socio-economic, gender, race, and nationality barriers. iIn my experience it was always a group of theists, atheists, republicans, democrats, gay, straight, all kinds of people stepping up and working side by side to help those in need. I really don't think anybody was ever thinking about the optics.
Why? Because said groups are the clear outgroup from the perspective of the locals. It's not a test of tolerance when more of the ingroup moves in but more of the outgroup.
As far as a community is concerned, isn't the ingroup just the people that live in the community, and the outgroup the people that live out of the community? I'm pretty sure the immigrants the people of Martha's Vinyard stepped up to help were not their "ingroup" type.
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@Swagnarok
It's not a test of tolerance when more of the ingroup moves in but more of the outgroup.
Just like it's not a test of courage to denounce white people or Trump in a crowd of Progressives.
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@Swagnarok
Nice theatrics by a community that knew they were on camera and that there was no real chance these arrivals would be staying for very long.
The community at Martha made the refugees feel welcomed and unless they are relocated would be quite happy to live at Martha after they win their law suits and have the money they need.
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@Shila
A chatbot says what?
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@Greyparrot
--> @ShilaA chatbot says what?
The refugees have lawyers who will bring civil suits against DeSantis and Florida for the hardship caused by relocation.
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@Shila
They could also sue Martha Vineyard residents for denying them shelter as a sanctuary city. It's called false advertising.
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@Greyparrot
They could also sue Martha Vineyard residents for denying them shelter as a sanctuary city.
Except for over here in the real world, they didn't deny them shelter.
It's called false advertising.
It's called psychodrama.
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@Greyparrot
-> @ShilaThey could also sue Martha Vineyard residents for denying them shelter as a sanctuary city. It's called false advertising.
Martha Vineyard did not advertise or lure the refugees. It was DeSantis who paid to have the 50 refugees flown to Martha Vineyards from Texas.
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@Shila
I stand corrected. There are officially 8 sanctuary cities in Mass.
"There is a lot of sympathy for folks from Ukraine, which is good and correct. I think some of it is our own beliefs about these folks," Shah said. "What is interesting to me is that we don't extend the same sympathy to folks from Central America and South America, and places that the folks on Martha's Vineyard are coming from, when they are fleeing equally dangerous circumstances."
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Seems like Martha's Vineyard was unwilling to act on its professed values and you're butthurt about it.
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@Swagnarok
@Greyparrot
Roughly a quarter of the people of Massachusetts are Republicans, I just presume that ratio applies to the people who helped out, are you contending that none of the good people that stepped up to help these people were Republicans?
Sounds like you have a low opinion of Republicans.
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@Sidewalker
I just hope those poor illegal invaders can be placed in one of the 8 sanctuary cities.
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@Sidewalker
--> @Greyparrot @SwagnarokRoughly a quarter of the people of Massachusetts are Republicans, I just presume that ratio applies to the people who helped out, are you contending that none of the good people that stepped up to help these people were Republicans?Sounds like you have a low opinion of Republicans.
They were just stating the facts. The entire country now has a low opinion of Republicans.
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@Greyparrot
I just hope those poor illegal invaders can be placed in one of the 8 sanctuary cities.
I'm just glad the people of Florida are no longer living under the threat of those 50 people in San Antonio.
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@Sidewalker
--> @GreyparrotI just hope those poor illegal invaders can be placed in one of the 8 sanctuary cities.I'm just glad the people of Florida are no longer living under the threat of those 50 people in San Antonio.
Trump only called Mexicans dangerous.
The 50 were from Venezuela.
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@Lair77
-->@TWS1405Aka Best to die in. Not best to live in.
Still have to live before one dies. DUH!!!
I'm just glad the people of Florida are no longer living under the threat of those 50 people in San Antonio.
Hopefully Biden can increase the flow of illegal invaders to those 8 sanctuary cities so DeSantis won't subject them to unnecessary torture.
Biden busses are far more compassionate.
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@Shila
Mexicans ARE dangerous. What Trump said about them was NO lie. It was FACT!
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@TWS1405
If Venezuelans invade over the southern border, then Mexico isn't sending their best.
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@Greyparrot
Hopefully Biden can increase the flow of illegal invaders to those 8 sanctuary cities so DeSantis won't subject them to unnecessary torture.Biden busses are far more compassionate.
Whats most important is Desantis has decreased the flow of illegal invaders coming to Florida from San Antonio, thank God the Florida/San Antonio border is secure.