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The fact that Jesus was a male suggests he had a father who contributed the Y chromosome.
There is no DNA of Jesus so far as I am aware. At best, we can say he presented himself as male. 

Luke even points to Joseph son of Heli as father of Jesus,
Well, this is awkward. 

I (non-believer) must point out you (believer) are taking that verse out of context. The author was describing the consensus of those who didnt have his 'insight'. The Gospel according to Luke describes Jesus would be born of the virgin Mary. It cannot be true that the author both thought Jesus was born of a virgin and also that Joseph was his biological father.

Luke 1:30-38

And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.” But Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?” The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; for that reason also the holy Child will be called the Son of God. And behold, even your relative Elizabeth herself has conceived a son in her old age, and she who was called infertile is now in her sixth month. For nothing will be impossible with God.” And Mary said, “Behold, the Lord’s bond-servant; may it be done to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.
Mary was a virgin before she was gang raped by the Holy Spirit and the Most High.
But Luke could not discount Joseph son of Heli who was linked to Mary.

Luke 3:23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat.

And there was another Joseph son of Jacob who Mary was betrothed to.

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You can't have it both ways - either Jesus was born of a virgin or he had a biological father. Both cannot be true at the same time. 
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You can't have it both ways - either Jesus was born of a virgin or he had a biological father. Both cannot be true at the same time. 
Mary was a virgin before she was gang raped by the Holy Spirit and the Most High.

Luke 1:30-38

And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.” But Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?” The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; for that reason also the holy Child will be called the Son of God. And behold, even your relative Elizabeth herself has conceived a son in her old age, and she who was called infertile is now in her sixth month. For nothing will be impossible with God.” And Mary said, “Behold, the Lord’s bond-servant; may it be done to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.

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You can't have it both ways - either Jesus was born of a virgin or he had a biological father. Both cannot be true at the same time. 
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How much in-vitro fertilization do you think was occurring in the first century?! 

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Isn't the whole gender movement to broaden it's definition such that it includes labels such as 
But those are almost all boiling down to variations of the same inherent thing; mostly just with different ascribed names. Clown, and tree - not so much 
They are very different - if you observe the clownself pronoun, it comes with a set of rationalisations which people have formulated to ascribe themselves the label. Treeself, in turn denotes a personal relationship with nature, thereby denoting a very unique characteristic. They are not simply different ascribed names. 

There is no doubt that there exists a plethora of individual preferences when it comes to selecting a sexual partner, but I think that, for one to ascribe each preference a seperate "gender" (a term already heavily implications of the traditional biological definition [would be akin to describing the Big Bang as "God"]) is both misleading and unnecessary.
Gender has almost invariably been used in relation to social aspects of sex since the 1960s - gender roles, gender stereotypes, etc.

But saying that, the argument you’re making seems to be not necessarily objecting  that there are not 72 “genders” in the way that word is presented - but that you object to the word “gender” being used specifically.
The use of the word "man" and "women" has, in all of history denoted a set of physical characteristics. There are extensions or "adjectives" which can be used to highlight differences between these broader categories, known as "feminine" or "masculine", but the adjectives operate only on the canvas of "male" or "female".  "Gender roles" and "gender stereotypes" are synonyms for "masculine" or "female" - a man adopting the "gender role" and "gender stereotype" of a women merely denotes a feminine man, not a literal women. 

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None, I just like poking holes in things

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Same! 😆
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SkepticalOne: How much in-vitro fertilization do you think was occurring in the first century?!
Not many. Mary was the only one that came forward with her story.

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So God cuckolded Joseph just to use his sperm anyway?

That is some next level fuckery.

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Gender is a social concept that varies from culture to culture and often determines stuff like social roles, sexual dominance, and pronouns. Pronouns are gendered, not sexed.
Well, if you really want to play with definitions here, then yes, gender is technically a social construct. 

But you could say that about so many other things as well. For example, money. 

But just as Ramshutu clearly stated:
Well no - because gender as a concept is used to refer to your perceptions of your own sex; and has been used for the last 60 + years to refer to the social aspects relating to physical sex. 
Yes, this Idea that gender is a concept used to your own liking of how you feel, has been a thing for the past 60 years or so. 

But all the way up until about 60 years ago, people didn't do that, they used gender to identify the 2 biological sexes.
Gender and Sex are synonyms in a way. The only reason they are different words, is because people didn't want to call each other biological male, and biological female. 

Why did people come up with the word male and female in the first place? 
Because they were trying to use a different word to name the 2 sexes.

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gender is technically a social construct. 

But you could say that about so many other things as well. For example, money. 
How is that an argument? Of course money is a social construct. There is no inherent value in a piece of paper that changes when you add a zero on it.
Gendered behavior isn't an inherent product of biology or psychology, otherwise it wouldn't change based on your culture and upbringing.

all the way up until about 60 years ago, people didn't do that, they used gender to identify the 2 biological sexes.
This is utter bullshit. Before the 1920s people basically exclusively used the term 'sex' to refer to biological sex. ''Gender' referred to the grammatical conceit of 'male' and 'female' articles, nouns, and adjectives. The synonymity of gender and sex gained prevalence in the 1980s as 'sex' became a more taboo term associated with sensuality.
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Gendered behavior isn't an inherent product of biology or psychology, otherwise it wouldn't change based on your culture and upbringing.
Again, why was the term gender created?

Its sole purpose was to name the two sexes. 

It doesn't matter what you think you are. You don't get to change the definition of a word that has been used for a different purpose, since the dawn of man, just because you want to be something you aren't.


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Words can and have been redefined.

And socio-psychological evolution redefines the thinking species.

It's all happening right here right now.

Denial is futile.
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There's a 53rd called a wassamagoolie.

It has 10 penises and 17 vaginas,

And a clitoris up it's arse.

And a fourth reproductive organ that makes no sense whatsoever.

It's name is Daphne and it typically lacks pronouns.

It is also highly intelligent,

Covering it's head and neck with tattoos.

And influencing gullible people on social media.

If seen, approach with caution,

As it has a tendency to multiple orgasm.


Now, wouldn't that be a sticky end.
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With 52 genders. 
Weeks in the year.
And A deck of cards. 

That sounds like the makings of a great game.  

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The Queens would be the trump cards.
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There are only two genders, those that buy into this shit and those that don't
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We're all just eking out the time between birth and death.

Doing stuff.

And everything that we do might be completely futile.

And there again, it might not.

So, best keep doing it just to be on the safe side.


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@Ramshutu
Ramshutu,

Sexuality and gender identity are separate issues, as separate as race and age. They serve completely different roles in how they describe people. Sexuality is what they are sexually attracted to (straight, gay, asexual, pansexual, bisexual) and gender is what a person identifies as (cis man and woman, trans man and woman, non-binary).

Generally,

I would say that anyone who identifies as anything outside of man or woman, be it cis or trans, could be labeled as non-binary safely and could be called they/them. There may be individual exceptions, but I've never heard of one outside of shitty tumblr posts and trashy rumor news sites.