All Lives Matter vs. Black Lives Matter.

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@ethang5
Firstly, you've changed your argument, likely to save face from failing to recognise the way I was using colour (i.e. not in regards to skin colour). Given your new argument (one which doesn't display your embarrassing mistake), I presume that you dropped the old one.

And you were wrong in doing so. 

Many hues of red are still considered red, that is not the case with race. Any dilution means a person can no longer be considered pure. Your analogy suffered from the fallacy of false equivalency.
Even if there is genetic admixture (i.e. racemixing) involved, would you not agree that certain populations, that grew up in certain environments, express certain characteristics? For example, do you think it is purely coincidental that a particular Kenyan tribe is completely saturating the Olympic marathon scene? (https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/11/01/241895965/how-one-kenyan-tribe-produces-the-worlds-best-runners). Is it just purely random that all of these Kenyans have black skin? If these Kenyans were to start breeding with Asians, do these Kenyan genetics suddenly disappear because they are no longer "pure?" Does not this bred child have Kenyan and Asian genetics?

Again, if we call various colours red, despite not all of them being pure, why do we treat various types of humans as being all the same race, even if not all of them being pure?

In any case, your conception of human genetics is extremely radical. Without races, you're implying that genetic expression is purely random, in that there is no consistency or rhyme to genetic expression (i.e. race). You'll no doubt deny this, but this is the alternative to denying racial reality.


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Lol the goalposts are just fine. There exists no pure races for you to make your analysis.
Your "no pure races" argument is eloquently addressed in this post: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/797?page=2&post_number=31


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Lol no it's not. Show me a pure Kenyan lol....
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Lol no it's not. Show me a pure Kenyan lol....
Please address content in this post directed at you: (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/797?page=2&post_number=32).

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OG Maasai race still exists. The other tribes dominant in Kenya aren't Kenya-specific though.
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I did...show me a pure Kenyan.


Does not exist.
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Show me a pure Maasai.

Does not exist either.
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I did...show me a pure Kenyan.


Does not exist.
All you're doing now is re-stating your position, like a dogmatic ideologue, despite me saying different things.

Not worth my time.
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Your position is bunk. You even admit mixing DNA means races are irrelevant.

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@Analgesic.Spectre
Firstly, you've changed your argument, likely to save face from failing to recognise the way I was using colour (i.e. not in regards to skin colour).
That was my first post homer, my argument could not have changed. You've just realized the fallacy in your argument.

Even if there is genetic admixture (i.e. racemixing) involved, would you not agree that certain populations, that grew up in certain environments, express certain characteristics? For example, do you think it is purely coincidental that a particular Kenyan tribe is completely saturating the Olympic marathon scene? 
That has nothing to do with race. Your analogy was illogical.

If these Kenyans were to start breeding with Asians, do these Kenyan genetics suddenly disappear because they are no longer "pure?"
There is no such thing as "Kenyan genetics" homer. And no one has argued that genes disappear, but that pure "races" have disappeared. Try to keep up.

Does not this bred child have Kenyan and Asian genetics?
Again, there is no such thing as "Asian genetics". Asia has many different "races". But to the point, that child cannot be called " pure bred", regardless of your silly analogy claiming that different hues of say, red are still red.

Again, if we call various colours red, despite not all of them being pure, why do we treat various types of humans as being all the same race, even if not all of them being pure?
No one made any argument on how people are treated. That is just your dishonesty kicking in. The point was and is, they are not "pure". That is a fact, even if society treats them as one race or the other.

...but this is the alternative to denying racial reality.
No one except the man between your ears has denied " racial reality". You just have a poor grasp of genetics. Races in humanity are not even a scientific concept. No one is saying variations don't exist. We are saying those variations mean that no one is genetically homogenous anymore.

Thus your analogy fails. It lacks logic. In vernacular, it was dumb.


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@Greyparrot
You even admit mixing DNA means races are irrelevant.
Please quote me.

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@ethang5
Again, there is no such thing as "Asian genetics". Asia has many different "races".

Races in humanity are not even a scientific concept. 

Literally within the same post.

You're a contrarian. Shoo.


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The comments do not contradict. You just have a low IQ. See the quotes around "races"?


Shoo.
Oho, now you want me to shoo troll? Sorry, you came looking for me, you've found me. Enjoy.

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As I understand these were in response to abuses by the police departments.  I don't know why but there were a significant amount of people who had spoken to BLM advocates that started publicly expressing racism, disregard for life, and disrespect for the law.  So if it's still going on social media I feel inclined to suggest ALM as a safer platform for social discourse to address police violence on the basis of race.  
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If race isn't responsible for human differences, then what is? For example, how is it that some people have dark skin, and others have white skin?
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Genetic changes brought on by natural selection influenced by the particular environment.

Black pigeons are not a different "race" from white pigeons. Physiological differences do not make different "races". There are very large physiological differences even within families. Many people have siblings who are darker, or shorter, or bigger, not to mention the differences inside that we don't see.

You need to stop involvement in this convo until you have read a little on basic genetics. As it is, you are embarrassing yourself with your ignorance even if you don't know it.

The only thing that consigns the so called white, black, red and yellow people to different races, is racism. And most intelligent people would agree, racism is stupid.
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@ethang5
Genetic changes brought on by natural selection influenced by the particular environment.

Black pigeons are not a different "race" from white pigeons. Physiological differences do not make different "races". There are very large physiological differences even within families. Many people have siblings who are darker, or shorter, or bigger, not to mention the differences inside that we don't see.

You need to stop involvement in this convo until you have read a little on basic genetics. As it is, you are embarrassing yourself with your ignorance even if you don't know it.
The only thing that consigns the so called white, black, red and yellow people to different races, is racism. And most intelligent people would agree, racism is stupid.



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@Analgesic.Spectre
You can remain in ignorance. That is your right as stupidity has not yet been made illegal. You don't know science well enough to make the judgments you're trying to make. Basically, your POV is from ignorance.

Fine. But don't be upset when I point out your ignorance and highlight your stupidity. That is the price you will pay for choosing to remain in ignorance.
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If race isn't responsible for human differences, then what is? For example, how is it that some people have dark skin, and others have white skin?

It's called minor genetic mutations, which can not only develop independent of a geographical origin, but can also be diffused throughout the entire planet.

The idea that humans came from different ancestors isn't supported by any science. The idea that our genetic makeup can be identified by exact skin color or exact geographical location isn't backed up by any science.

There is not a single person anywhere on the planet who has taken a DNA test on 23andme.com who has 100% anything in their DNA. Races do not exist.
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The best way to sort human genetic data into discrete groups (subspecies) is through correspondence between genetic cluster and geography.
This is not science, lol.

This is clearly an opinion about how to sort people for the purposes of playing identity politics, and pretending the junk science is real science.

Best and worst are opinions. Facts are facts.

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It's clearly not the best way to categorize "races" on the basis of one phenotype or geographic location, as that would create as many races as there are phenotypes... and as many races as there are geographic locations, not to mention the shared similar phenotypes all around the world making geographical categorization meaningless with zero correlation between phenotypes and geographic locations....