Biden brings jobs to Red states

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Do you, like, ever make a logical argument for anything you believe? Or are you all 5th grade insults?
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Source? Actually, any source at all for any of your assertions in the op?
You need a source for the Tax Cut Act of 2017? It was in all the papers and you have had to use it for all your tax filings since 2018.

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Do you, like, ever make a logical argument for anything you believe? Or are you all 5th grade insults?
What insult like did he give? Like, what like are you talking like about?

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No. You need a source to prove your analysis of it. You can't just claim things without pointing out where these analyses come from. If you cite specific sections of the tax code then that could count as evidence.

The burden of proof is always on the one who makes statements, not on the person who requests it.

You may be completely right, or completely wrong. But without any sort of source material or your citation of where the vill or other things you mentions agreed with you, then how can I possibly know? You provided no evidence. Therefore it did not satisfy the burden of proof.
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A President should work for the benefit of an entire Nation.

So perhaps Biden is doing his job properly.

Notwithstanding that a "Red State" is only a Red State by virtue of a higher voting percentage.

Us and them politics, is for those with too much time on their hands
Or for most folk, once every four years.
Of course. That’s my point. Republicans only govern for their voters. A tax law (2017) that was designed to take money from blue state Americans and give it to their wealthy donors shows how Republicans operate. Democrats on the other hand pass laws that create good jobs in red states.
 
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If you cite specific sections of the tax code then that could count as evidence.
I did cite specific sections of the 2017 Tax Act.

The law caps state and local tax deductions at $10,000. I am not going to post a copy of the statute. This fact is not in dispute. This has the effect of raising taxes on blue state Americans who have higher property taxes due to higher home values. Another fact not in dispute. Homes in California and New York cost more than homes in Mississippi and Kentucky. Blue states have higher state income taxes and their workers have higher incomes. California has a higher median household income than Red states. Another fact not in dispute. So when Republicans capped the deduction for state and local taxes it had the effect of raising taxes on blue state Americans with upper middle class incomes and higher home values.

This is a forum you jack ass. Stop being so obtuse. There is a debate format on this website if you want to spend hours presenting a particular position.


Here’s a ranking of median household income by state. The bottom 10 are all Red states.
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it had the effect of raising taxes on blue state Americans with upper middle class incomes and higher home values.
I'll be voting Republicans then since they are the only party to "tax the rich"
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it had the effect of raising taxes on blue state Americans with upper middle class incomes and higher home values.
I'll be voting Republicans then since they are the only party to "tax the rich"
Trump and Bush W gave the rich tax cuts that increased the deficit by some 4 trillion dollars

Bush W tax cuts to the rich cost 1.5 trillion
Trump tax cuts to the rich cost 2.6 trillion.

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That's fine as long as the rich in Blue States are taxed because they need to pay their fair share. 

Just think of how bad inflation could have been if SALT was allowed to remain allowing Rich Democrats to avoid taxes?

Biden needs that revenue more than you or Trump does and we should all be thanking the 2017 removal of SALT tax deductions for the rich.
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I'll be voting Republicans then since they are the only party to "tax the rich"
What a dummy

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SALT much?
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You didn't cite any provision in the bill. You said the bill does something. Cite me the section in the bill and then you've done your job.

Don't get mad at me because you can't work beyond a 4th grade research ability. 

It isn't my fault you didn't do your research before you opened your mouth. I shouldn't do your thinking for you. And I certainly shouldn't be insulted for simply asking for evidence. 

You can believe whatever you what, but don't be a bigot with microaggressions toward volintaryists and take your triggered behavior to one of your safe spaces. I'll even buy the crayons for the coloring book.
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Biden creating jobs...who knew that Presidential administrations should do this? I thought they were supposed to destroy existing jobs and make the country a worse place.
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That's fine as long as the rich in Blue States are taxed because they need to pay their fair share. 

Just think of how bad inflation could have been if SALT was allowed to remain allowing Rich Democrats to avoid taxes?

Biden needs that revenue more than you or Trump does and we should all be thanking the 2017 removal of SALT tax deductions for the rich.
Trump fixed the limit on SALT tax deductions to 10,000$. That we done primarily to hurt blue states. But his 2.6 trillion tax cuts to the rich just added to the deficit 


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Trump fixed the limit on SALT tax deductions to 10,000$. That we done primarily to hurt blue states. But his 2.6 trillion tax cuts to the rich just added to the deficit 

Think how many more trillions the deficit would be without the rich paying their fair share. Take a W when you can. Eat the rich. he wasn't really hurting blue states, he was hurting the rich people in Blue states.  I don't care about rich people no matter what state they live in.
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Here is what AOC had to say about SALT.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., said in April that doing away with the tax deduction cap would be “a giveaway to the rich.” The progressive lawmaker noted at the time that she is open to “a conversation” about edits, but that a full repeal is excessive.

If it wasn't for true progressives like AOC, Biden would have rolled back the tax dodging caps and reinstated the giveaways to the rich.

Take the W here, it doesn't matter who gets the credit.
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Trump fixed the limit on SALT tax deductions to 10,000$. That we done primarily to hurt blue states. But his 2.6 trillion tax cuts to the rich just added to the deficit 

Think how many more trillions the deficit would be without the rich paying their fair share. Take a W when you can. Eat the rich. he wasn't really hurting blue states, he was hurting the rich people in Blue states.  I don't care about rich people no matter what state they live in.
The SALT tax deduction was in effect since 1913. Trump changed that to hurt the Blue States.

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So you disagree with AOC?

You want the rich to dodge taxes in blue states?
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Congressional Democrats can’t decide whether to soak the rich or hand them an immense tax break. In a tribute to policy incoherence, they’ve settled on both.

The House on Friday approved the $1.2 infrastructure bill after decoupling it from an even larger entitlement measure — the reconciliation legislation — pursued by progressives and the president. The content of the latter remains fluid and its fate remains in doubt, particularly in the Senate.

In order to get moderates on board for the massive social spending bonanza, Speaker Nancy Pelosi has revived an old favorite. Last week she discreetly made sure that the reconciliation bill includes a gift to wealthy residents of high-tax blue states in the form of a healthy increase in the federal write-off for state and local taxes — known as the SALT deduction. Democrats have been wailing about the provision ever since Republicans in 2017 imposed a $10,000 cap on such deductions, which made it more difficult for big-spending politicians in California, New York, Illinois and other liberal enclaves to disguise their imprudent fiscal decisions. Ms. Pelosi now seeks to bump the cap to $72,500.

This would overwhelmingly benefit high earners. The Wall Street Journal reports that a Tax Foundation model calculates nearly 88 percent of taxpayers making more than $1 million would get a tax cut under the Democratic plan, with filers earning beyond $250,000 getting 70 percent of the savings.

This from a party whose faithful regularly drone on about the rich not paying their “fair share” and only a week ago were floating the idea of taxing billionaire capital gains before they’re even realized. But the hypocrisy runs even deeper.

In addition to the SALT giveaway, Democrats would hand tax subsidies worth up to $12,500 to well-off Americans who buy electric vehicles. Under the current bill, the credit won’t phase out until individual earners hit $250,000 in annual income, or $500,000 for married joint filers. There’s also a tax credit for electric bikes — electric bikes! — including high-end models that run as much as $4,000.

Meanwhile, Democrats claim to have this $1.9 billion reconciliation bill “paid for” with higher taxes on corporations and the rich. That would be much easier, of course, if they weren’t taking away with one hand while giving back with the other through SALT relief, EV handouts and other subsidies. But the idea that this bill pays for itself is accounting fiction: In a master stroke of fiscal gimmickry, every new entitlement in the measure is designed to sunset — which will never happen. Whatever final number Democrats pin on this donkey, expect the true cost to be triple.

The infrastructure bill may be stuffed with pork, but the reconciliation spending barrage is a dangerous house of cards.



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Congressional Democrats can’t decide whether to soak the rich or hand them an immense tax break. In a tribute to policy incoherence, they’ve settled on both. 

The House on Friday approved the $1.2 infrastructure bill after decoupling it from an even larger entitlement measure — the reconciliation legislation — pursued by progressives and the president. The content of the latter remains fluid and its fate remains in doubt, particularly in the Senate.

In order to get moderates on board for the massive social spending bonanza, Speaker Nancy Pelosi has revived an old favorite. Last week she discreetly made sure that the reconciliation bill includes a gift to wealthy residents of high-tax blue states in the form of a healthy increase in the federal write-off for state and local taxes — known as the SALT deduction. Democrats have been wailing about the provision ever since Republicans in 2017 imposed a $10,000 cap on such deductions, which made it more difficult for big-spending politicians in California, New York, Illinois and other liberal enclaves to disguise their imprudent fiscal decisions. Ms. Pelosi now seeks to bump the cap to $72,500.

This would overwhelmingly benefit high earners. The Wall Street Journal reports that a Tax Foundation model calculates nearly 88 percent of taxpayers making more than $1 million would get a tax cut under the Democratic plan, with filers earning beyond $250,000 getting 70 percent of the savings.

This from a party whose faithful regularly drone on about the rich not paying their “fair share” and only a week ago were floating the idea of taxing billionaire capital gains before they’re even realized. But the hypocrisy runs even deeper.

In addition to the SALT giveaway, Democrats would hand tax subsidies worth up to $12,500 to well-off Americans who buy electric vehicles. Under the current bill, the credit won’t phase out until individual earners hit $250,000 in annual income, or $500,000 for married joint filers. There’s also a tax credit for electric bikes — electric bikes! — including high-end models that run as much as $4,000.

Meanwhile, Democrats claim to have this $1.9 billion reconciliation bill “paid for” with higher taxes on corporations and the rich. That would be much easier, of course, if they weren’t taking away with one hand while giving back with the other through SALT relief, EV handouts and other subsidies. But the idea that this bill pays for itself is accounting fiction: In a master stroke of fiscal gimmickry, every new entitlement in the measure is designed to sunset — which will never happen. Whatever final number Democrats pin on this donkey, expect the true cost to be triple.

The infrastructure bill may be stuffed with pork, but the reconciliation spending barrage is a dangerous house of cards.


SALT only applies to High Taxed States.

All the bills passed so far have been well considered.

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All the bills passed so far have been well considered.

AOC and I agree with you.
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The burden of proof is always on the one who makes statements, not on the person who requests it.
Prove it. Who says the burden of proof is always on the one who makes statements? What is your source for this assertion you are making?

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Cite me the section in the bill and then you've done your job.
Says who? Cite your source.

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Christianity is the belief that all of your sins, all of your mistakes, all of your regrets, and all of your pain can be given into the hands of The One who created you and loves you.
What’s your source for this statement? You say you are a Christian in your biography. What credentials do you possess  to make such a claim?

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Christianity is a relationship with a friend who sticks closer than a brother. A God who loves you so much He took the punishment for you. A mighty fortress in the midst of attack. A loving Father who seeks the best good things for his children. And a God who is all-powerful and self-sufficient. A God who does not need you, for He is not in need, but wants you, because He loves you very much.
How long have you loved the lord? Lol