Guys! don't scare this poster away. It's important to learn about the extreme people polled that say with conviction that Biden is a better president than Obama so that we may discover the inherent weakness of some people in a democratic republic before it is too late.
Biden is the best president of my lifetime
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@Greyparrot
say with conviction that Biden is a better president than Obama
Definitely. Obama's expansion of the Afghanistan war and airstrikes were a major downside. Financially. Morally. And it wasn't even successful. Bush's war turned into Obama's war.
Biden has a similar platform domestically as Obama without the foreign policy baggage.
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@Lair77
Obama was the best president, FDR 2nd place and I stand by that.
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@Lair77
And yet, Biden has already far surpassed the yearly "donations" to Ukraine than Obama spent yearly in Afghanistan..
That is not "progress"
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@RationalMadman
Yeah, that is one hell of a wild sell to say Obama was a worse president than Biden.
Reasons why Obama was better?
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@Lair77
Just about every metric, from confidence in the government, the high average standard of living relative compared to today, a sense of patriotism and hope for the future. A general sense of ease and harmony.
All of that was reflected in approval polls where Obama scored extremely high.
Biden's approval is uniquely abysmal in comparison.
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@Greyparrot
from confidence in the government
How do you prove this is mainly because of the president? How do you isolate this 1 variable when there are 3 separate branches of the federal government (executive, legislative, judicial)
the high average standard of living relative compared to today
This really has nothing to do with the president's decisions. The economy a market affected by the decisions of millions of people. It's not a banana republic where the president waves a wand and the economy is fixed. The cost of education, housing and food has been going up for decades.
And this is not just an American problem. This has been true in other developed countries too. Are those Biden's fault too?
And this is not just an American problem. This has been true in other developed countries too. Are those Biden's fault too?
a sense of patriotism and hope for the future
Vague/hard to measure. And subjective. I can't speak for other people but I can say personally, the wars in the middle-east during Obama's term, and the uncertainty of when they would end, or even what the win conditions were, have dampened my patriotism.
The hope part is true, but mainly in the first 2 years. People had high expectations of Obama, but after the first 1-2 years of his presidency, that faded away. This is not Obama's fault. No one could've lived up to that expectation. But it just goes to show that hope is fleeting.
A general sense of ease and harmony.
Hard to measure. But what does this have to do with the president? Some presidents preside over tougher times than others. That doesn't prove that the president's policies or actions were responsible for it.
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@Lair77
It's not hard to measure. We have polling that reflects how people see a president.
Just because an opinion is popular doesn't inherently mean its correct. Opinions can also change over time. Popular presidents can later be realized to be bad. Unpopular presidents can be appreciated later in time.
Biden will go down as a great president. He should considering what he did with such a divided country and such a slim majority in the House and Senate
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@Lair77
That is true, but we also have non polling metrics like Consumer confidence and GDP growth along with inflation rates and the average wealth of a person adjusted for the low or high cost of living.
Obama scored much higher in all areas.
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@Lair77
Also, if you ask people TODAY even considering how opinions can change over time. Most people overwhelmingly prefer Obama to Biden, especially among Democrats polled.
Consumer confidence and GDP growth along with inflation rates and the average wealth of a person adjusted for the low or high cost of living.
None of which are caused by the president. And why do we only attribute these to the president? Why not Congress? Or the state governments? Why not the Federal Reserve? Or corporate CEO's?
People have this banana republic mentality where the face that is in charge rules everything. People need to get out of this basic mindset. The government and economy are affected by the decisions of many people.
The president is responsible for: Diplomacy. Appointments. Signing legislation. Foreign policy decisions. If you can prove that one of these specific areas are what's responsible for these statistics, maybe...
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@Greyparrot
-> @Lair77That is true, but we also have non polling metrics like Consumer confidence and GDP growth along with inflation rates and the average wealth of a person adjusted for the low or high cost of living.Obama scored much higher in all areas.
Obama’s overall achievements both as president and as a black man will be hard to beat. Even as a private citizen he is doing extremely well.
Barack Obama is halfway to becoming an Egot after winning an Emmy award to go with his two Grammys
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@Greyparrot
@Shila
Both of your points are valid, and I have the same response for each.
Obama and Biden were president during different times. Back in 2008, Obama's platform was very progressive, but it's centrist by today's standards. Today, Biden's platform may be centrist, but it's definitely progressive by 2008 standards.
The standards have gotten higher for Biden than they were for Obama. An example would Biden forgiving 20k worth of student loans. Today that's considered moderate stance. But if Obama did that in 2009, he'd be called a raging communist. Hence maybe why Obama didn't do it.
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@Lair77
The loan forgiveness rewarding debtors also enraged many Democrats that went to college and did not qualify for the cash giveaway.
That's not what I would call a "moderate" policy.
Obama may have been special for 2008 standards. He was the most liberal senator back in 2006. But today there are dozens of Obamas in the Democrat Party, and even many Democrats to the left of him.
Democrats wouldn't consider Obama's platform progressive enough if he were president today.
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@Greyparrot
Rewarding debtors is a really funny way of wording it.
In European countries, they just fund college publically across the board, and they don't make tertiary education some weird creepy situation where rich old men are loan sharks that try to make profits off of naive young adults.
Like if you were to even ask the prime minister of Germany if they would forgive student loan debt for millions of its citizens, they'd laugh at you. They have no concept of what's that's like; that would be like speaking a foreign language to them.
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@Lair77
Rewarding debtors is a really funny way of wording it.
i did not write the legislation. If you had to borrow and you paid it off, you get no benefit. But if you were smart enough to predict Biden would erase your debt; and you chose to not pay off your loan, then you were rewarded. That is the legislation.
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@Lair77
- Multiple presidents have intended to get out of the middle east and instead use resources to rebuild our own country's infrastructure. Biden is the only who actually did it.
After negotiations done by who? Donald Trump’s
- 100 accomplishments in the first 100 days.
Lmao what a dumb source. Rescinding the “Muslim Ban” which wasn’t even a Muslim Ban is an accomplishment. Opening schools up? Gimme a freakin break lol. Literally 95% of these are nothingburgers
- Biden passed significant pieces of legislation in a narrowly divided Congress. Most other presidents with significant legislative achievements have done so with a comfortable majority, but it takes political skill to negotiate with a 50-50 Senate.
He passed it with Kamala Harris as the 51st vote via budget reconciliation. Same way Trump and the GOP passed the TCJA. Democrats have always been far more united than Republicans. The GOP has RINOs like Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Toomey, Portman. The Dems? Manchin and Sinema, who both eventually caved. It’s not political skill.
- First president in history to pass significant legislation toward climate change.
As if it’s going to do anything besides cause 8% inflation. Climate models are and have been proven wrong. The world isn’t going to end in 10 years.
- First president in history to actually pass legislation to negotiate drug prices with Medicare.
Funny enough, it was Trump that passed action for insurance providers to negotiate drug prices. It was rescinded by guess who? Joe Biden. Big Pharma funded Joe Biden’s campaign by a 3:1 margin. You’re acting like Big Pharma didn’t create loopholes in the legislation.
I can’t honestly believe you think a bumbling idiot who can’t even talk properly is the best President in your lifetime. Such a disgrace.
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@Greyparrot
Guys! don't scare this poster away. It's important to learn about the extreme people polled that say with conviction that Biden is a better president than Obama so that we may discover the inherent weakness of some people in a democratic republic before it is too late.
This is what cracked me up the most. Biden better than Obama? Lmfaoooo
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@ILikePie5
Opening schools up? Gimme a freakin break lol.
Imagine getting the highest praise for doing basic things like sending kids to school.
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@Greyparrot
Imagine getting the highest praise for doing basic things like sending kids to school.
GOP should be hammering this and crime in every state. COVID doesn’t harm kids but schools closed. Scores dropped massively, while looters and rioters roamed the streets.
It would be insanely effective
I actually think it's funny that conservatives on here are defending Obama. Who would've ever thought this would happen lol.
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@Lair77
I actually think it's funny that conservatives on here are defending Obama. Who would've ever thought this would happen lol.
You realize Obama-Trump voters are a thing right?
Also, you’re part of the fringe 1% who believes Biden was better than Obama. Any objective person knows that Obama was a million times better than Biden lol