The cancelling of Andrew Tate is uncalled for. He is not a misogynist.

I am not sure what the fuck has happened to people today to say it is 'misogyny' to know what being a masculine man and feminine woman is and saying 'I like to live my life this way, I will preach it and help others.'

Andrew Tate was one of the world's best kickboxers in his prime and among the elite Karate practioners, though his exact rank isn't known he is essentially arguably among the greatest kickboxers of all time.

He quit what he was doing, perhaps for physical health preservation (not that he lacked skill but he respected the younger fiercer men showing up with talent and skill could, on a bad day, destroy him) and dedicated to different approaches to life, using the money he'd garnered from tournaments and his start-up sponsorships (which weren't much, relative to sports celebs but were decent) and did his own think, grinding.

He has hinted he did use means of tax evasion and ruthless competing and is a shadow partner in businesses he still refuses to inherently name (I beg one has to do with bugatti cars and another with non-Cuban, legal cigars but who knows, maybe he really does love them). For these things, we can vilify him.

As for the suggestion he's trafficked women and such, I am not one to take a side as I also know how shit gets covered up by unscrupulous smugglers but we have to appreciate evidence for what it is. He vehemently denies it and frankly I believe he's the type of guy who'd, if involved in anything like that, offer the women a way out and beat the shit out of certain pimps and abusive clients.

We don't know the story, yet these are plastered on the forefront of any article that tries to then explain how he is misogynistic enough on the platforms to get shut down.

I am not a diehard Andrew Tate fan, I'm a Progressive who doesn't care too much about this superficial macho muscle, bugatti crap but I agree with Tate on a few things.

He simply asked xQc once a very difficult question; if your house is broken into and some men with weapons and strength are gonna essentially rob you or worse, is it your duty as a man, if with your girlfriend/wife, to protect her and risk fighting?

My answer, unlike xQc's cowardly dodge, would have been a brave 'not necessarily' and the reasoning would be that while I'd absolutely agree in a 1v2 or 1v3 even that I can keep things dark or surprise attack and shit, knowing the house much better than the invaders, BUT my main duty as a man vs say even 3 but definitely 4+ invaders is not even to hide, genuinely you may not believe me but I wouldn't hide, I'd either genuinely take my girlfriend and do ninja shit on the roof risking everything (depends, let's say it's an apartment, I'm not against wrappng some torn/cut blankets or shirts etc around our wrists and ankles to easier grapple down the drain pipe and all sorts but realistically if too high up i'd just surrender and hope.

The problem is that if we observe what he says there, it's one of many examples that he doesn't hate women he is just traditionally conservative about a man's role. In my own opinion, if you can't securely kill and/or harm the invaders, you should be an active coward and flee ASAP frantically. Your entire aim should be survival regardless, whether with them, tied up, beaten and cucked, fleeing or attacking.

Your playstyle doesn't mean shit, instead what defines the man is coming out the other end with a live girlfriend/wife and live self that minimised the punishment towards both. Then to sit there, traumatised and sucking it up in an unhealthy but manageable way, by her hospital bed (only possible as you acted rationally) and letting her bitch at you, hate you and all sorts of shit. Patiently, get friendzoned, get blocked and told to get lost for letting it happen to her if need be. Be the fucking man. Three months later she will send you the biggest apology of her life and thank you for completely being there for her, always be open for anything, be it a late night text or whatever (not too open your life and sleep schedule go to too much shit but you get the idea).

It's not easy being a man. It's not easy being the tougher, more leaderlike gender and to even say this sounds so sexist, rude and all that shit.

That's what men were in every fucking culture you can name, especially in ones that lasted. All Tate does is say to be that, that's all his theme is. He encourages you to be resourceful, protective, tough, honest and patient. If these qualities of 'manliness' are misogynistic to want to possess, what the fuck has the word 'misogyny' come to mean?

He was cancelled wrongly. Find me any fucking proof that what I said here was wrong, it's not up to me to find sources for everything I say he said and prove myself right when all his channels got deleted.

There's still reuploads on YT, do your own homework.

I am pretty sure if he'd asked me, not xQc that question, my answer would have made him go a bit silent and reach a middleground agreement.

This thread may interest you, pinged for awareness.

I am pro misogyny and have listened to this guy a lot. Definitely a misogynist. He also likely has sex slaves

here's a recent interview where tate addresses the shocking charges against him

Show proofs. Or how troll are you?

Her stuff is very entertaining, but she gets preachy sometimes and usually when she is being preachy it is because she lacks the ability to see things from the perspective of people who disagree with her, but her research is good here and she lists sources or shows clips I believe.

I have personally watched videos where tate talks about women being inferior in some ways though. Particularly their inability to be good leaders, the fact their men should basically own them etc.

She did call his business an MLM which is incorrect and a few other things, but she attempts to be honest. She only has an aiQ of like 120 so you'll have to be patient with her analysis but check her sources

The canceling was uncalled for though. We agree thwre

Do you know the difference between Chauvinistic perspective and Misogyny?

Also he has never denied exceptions occur and that it's a spectrum.

For instance, it would be insane to deny that men are aggressive and generally more overtly sadistic than women are.

It would also be insane to suggest that men make equally good childcarers to women, if we average things out.

If these things trigger you, you can call me a misandrist.

If they don't trigger you, you can say 'yeah so what we're on a spectrum and compliment one another'.

I will once I Google it here in a minute 

I really don't agree with this. I have 2 kids. Both women punish if the kid pisses them off and the harshness of the punishment is dependent on how pissed the kid made them, while I just give rule and make a list of punishments and if he pisses me off and doesn't break a rule, no punishment. If he makes me laugh and breaks a rule punishment. Now something women are capable of apparently.

Also the first one tried to use the second one as a weapon after we broke up. Apparently she was more concerned with beating me than the well being of the child. 

The second one has issues I can't get into publicly because I am afraid the authorities could come down on me for being too soft on her in these regards but I can tell you things like. I make sure his teeth are brushed, she doesn't. I make sure he is bathed, she doesn't. Around me he eats nutritious foods, around her junk food. 

Maybe I attract shit women, but my experience are that they are terrible parents. I can also tell you my own mother did a shit job, it only appears she did good because my dad was so horrible in comparison. 

The only real exception I can think of, is my sister. She is a single mother and is the best mother I have ever seen in my life. It's damn near heroic how she handles it, but I see her as an exception to the rule

consider this carefully as you aren't disagreeing

That said you are making it very personal and traumatic for you even so I'll let it be.

Can you expand on what you mean by this?

no need to, you are making it about you and your trauma.

I'm not inclined to type more though as this really can be used to cancel me a bit irl maybe so i'll just say leave it as an agree to disagree thing

I understand now. I don't think anyone knows who you are IRL though. You are overly cautious. I held back a bit there because I don't trust the children social services departments to make good judgements, they seem to always be overzealous or negligent. Never in the middle. 

if you don't see that most men are good and weak at certain things and most women are, relatively and that it actually somewhat compliments if balanced correctly, that's on you.

I don't know a single society that thrived with males being the primary caregivers to the young while the women fulfilled the matriarchal leadership roles but do enlighten me.

I do know of some matriarchal tribes but even there you often found men filling the many ranks below the 'top queen' type.

Do you realise throughout that
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He admitted to running casinos only. He has always said he's a wild guy with women as in he's very promiscuous not as in he hurts them. The thing is that it makes no sense at all for the Tate brothers to do it.

Why would they bring an American chick to Romania to hold her against her will yet also allow her completely regular communication even with her bf on phone?

They clearly allowed her to give that false excuse to him that they knew  would, if taken serious, make them look bad. Only if they were innocent would it register as a joke.

I don't see it personally, at all. I do think his comments about #metoo are pretty stupid and simpleminded but I expect nothing else from a right wing chauvinistic type.

can you please show me the bruise video btw? 

I pretty much agree with you. I think it might just be Western women in general who suck at raising kids or perhaps I just attract shitty women. Clearly my life experience might not reflect the broader reality. 

I can tell you I have been around some great female matriarchs. Usually they do a great job keeping large families together and loyal to each other. They all seem to have relationship problems unless they can find a husband who will split responsibilities with them instead of trying to lead the house. 

Clearly even in large families with a strong matriarch, the women are going to more often than men take the care giving role. 

I kind of watched this unofficial thing happen on my dad's side of the family. It was weird. At first my grandmother was the matriarch who ruled the family almost like a queen. Then her daughter ruled it when she died. Now that she has gotten old, she has handed the reigns to her eldest daughter. 

I know there is nothing official, but you can feel the power shifts and everyone always starts obeying the new matriarch almost like an Ant colony. 

I know I said a lot here, but I basically agree with what you said about men and women's separate strengths complimenting each other.

I do think American society has lost some of that, because we have this ultra masculine image of what a man should be. It's a good image and we don't have that image of what a woman should be.

So of course women try to drop their femininity in the west and become like males because they view males as superior. Unfortunately women just have a messed up image of what is masculine so they think shit like hitting your partner or being neglectful to kids is masculine. They think lots of sex with random strangers is masculine so they replicate that. They take male movies because they don't want female heroes who are feminine and instead of a female spy they make James Bond a woman. Instead of females who save the world from ghosts, they try to have women replicate the male Ghostbusters. 

The ideal of masculinity doesn't only hurt females. We have a generation of beta males who because they don't fit the stereotype, don't think of themselves as men, so they mutilate their dicks and try to be women. 

So yes, Western women are unique because they are at war with the sacred feminine. It's sad that men are going to have to save the sacred feminine. It might be fair though, we may have been the ones to hurt her to start with. 

I haven't seen it and don't know where to find it. Might as well chalk it up to fiction if there is no source for it

I'll help you out:

Now, I want to point out 3 things:

1) he is the one filming

2) It seems consensual bdsm relationship and this has fuck all to do with me personally or my kinks, I just know a lot about bdsm and how to do it healthily. If you listen to the tone of voice in the woman (the first and second both but esp the first), she doesn't even shake her voice or cry which btw in severe bdsm would be the case. Some subs get off on it, don't look to me about it I am not here to justify or explain kinks. She wasn't crying though, she clearly has some 'punish me daddy' kink vibes as did the second. I can't justify it to you and if it actually somehow is abuse, I am of course disgusted. 

3) Despite saying that thing with the door-locking (which could be to thrill her and whatever) he blatantly isn't actually after her, she is locking a door... While he is filming and he says 'you better or i'll beat the fuck out of you' when he literally stood there for like 1-2 mins not raising a finger to her and doesn't even make a move or run (this is a fucking ex pro kickboxer he knows how to chase people in heated situations). 

He furthermore says he is still friends with her and the latter is his ex. How the video ended up in the hands of tabloid news I don't know but I do know that it's blatantly 100% he himself filming it all. He probably messaged it to her to someone they both trust as she has a humiliation kink perhaps but things clearly went out of hand as the person leaked it to the press.

I have no idea man but I can tell you that what seemed to happen there was some very sadistic but consensual bdsm and what we saw was basically something that she gets off to. Note that instead of remotely getting angry or mean he humiliates her for being bruised so easily, that sounds horrible but the point is he focused completely on humiliation and taunting, meaning it seems to be him helping her achieve a kink. An abusive man who is hotheaded would have spoken differently, I know how sick it appears though to the untrained ear.

Edit: There is something very strange about the very end scenario that I post in later posts.

Buddy I am not here talking about trans rn or saying I am anti women's rights, you are now trying to twist my words or something.

he is also a bit stupid... the latter girl was blatantly feeling very safe with him so much so she actually hesitated and struggled and smirked/smiled while he asked her to say 'tell the camera i beat you if you don't do as I say'.

It's actually very fucking weird??? It's like he set himself up to be framed...

There's so many unjustified axioms you take in your posts on what it means to be "a man" and "a woman" which you never actually justify. I'm 100% sure Socrates would vehemently disagree with Tate on what it means to be a man, at least a good man. Socrates all together seems to believe a good man a man worth being is a virtuous one. The discussions for Socrates would then be "what is virtue, justice" etc. That is what it means to be a good man. What is the point is defending a woman "because its manly" when you haven't even proven it to be virtuous(when is it virtuous, is there times when its not?) Something may not be manly if it isn't good, and if it is manly but is not good then banning him is non-controversial. 

I can't actually understand the very end situation though, I am extremely confused why he intentionally pushed that because if she is really into that he literally set her up to set him up. That is rather fucking odd...

Yeah I think you are the one with the axioms there.

The stuff you are pulling up makes me think he was intentionally trying to create a controversy and look like a bad guy

Socrates does 2 things

1. Asks leading questions that pervert your system of logic

2. Uses the fallacy of infinite regression to make his students look like idiots

I think cancelling is almost always wrong and I don't make an exception with Andrew Tate.

The sexual misconduct allegations are lies. He is not in jail. The women involved have all attested to his innocence. It's another case of legacy media destroying someone outside of their locus of control. I have no idea when the public majority is going to stop taking legacy media's word as gospel, but this is another nail in the coffin. Just turn off your tv already.

Still, Andrew got slashed by the sword he swung around. He was fast and loose with his words (e.g. suggesting the money his wife/gf would make on OF would be his alone; saying that depression doesn't exist; the countless times he's referred to himself as "king of the world" or whatever). There were plenty of shock-jock moments that certainly contributed to his downfall.

Nonetheless, I'm mixed on Andrew Tate. He's promoted a lot of healthy things to a largely disillusioned western (young) male audience, but he's certainly thrown women under the bus on many occasions. The overly masculine bravado is irritating, too.