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@Shila
Bigot, anti-semitic piece of s***. You'd never tell anyone to their face anything you say on this website you piece of f****** s***. Act on your death threats or f*** off.
Atheists are hypocrites
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@Polytheist-Witch
Another liar who wants some kind of door that they can go through to insult theists and not get called out for it. Own your s***
Stop projecting.
You keep portraying Atheism as a belief - in a theistic sense of the word - which is untrue, and an untruth you know untrue - a lie.
Portraying Atheism as a “belief” in something the way you do; is absolutely for the purposes of wanting a door to insult atheists - to claim they also have faith; and thus degrade their claims
You are being called out about it, and don’t like it.
I am sorry that you don’t like the fact that we lump agnostics who do not believe into atheists. I am sorry you are unable to process the fact that I do not have a belief in God, and I have come to conclusions about the existence of gods based on evidence, I am sorry you appear unable to process the difference between faith, and being convinced of something based on its evidence. And I am sorry that you don’t appear to have any better or more credible complaint that atheists have defined atheism wrong.
These are all your problems, not ours. Stop projecting your faults on to us, take your own advice and own your sh*t.
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@Ramshutu
Portraying Atheism as a “belief” in something the way you do; is absolutely for the purposes of wanting a door to insult atheists - to claim they also have faith; and thus degrade their claims
I don't think atheists have faith in anything. The only reason their beliefs are illegitimate need to be degraded is because it comes out of bigotry not a single atheist I've ever met has any respect for a single theist. You guys are pieces of crap and you use comments like this, that you don't have belief and you don't have faith and you don't have this that or the other so you can insult theists because if you don't have it and we do then you get to be better than us up yours. It's the whole reason any of you come to this form is to insult theists, that's it. You know who doesn't come here and do that atheist who actually has some strong belief in what they think about gods. Those guys don't waste their time here. So you are the one with the problem which is why you keep going on and on over one freaking word when it has nothing to do with anything. You do not believe any gods exist. You can call it agnostic you can call it whatever you want to but that's what it is and if you got a problem with the word belief then you know what, go take a s*** on the toilet, wipe your ass and flush cuz that's all the more it's worth to me.
Polytheist-Witch: Bigot, anti-semitic piece of s***. You'd never tell anyone to their face anything you say on this website you piece of f****** s***. Act on your death threats or f*** off.
Exodus 22:18 8 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Proves burning of witches was universal. Even the Jews under Moses were ordered to do so.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I don't think atheists have faith in anything. The only reason their beliefs are illegitimate need to be degraded is because it comes out of bigotry not a single atheist I've ever met has any respect for a single theist.
Please provide a quotation of a case where I have disrespected you.
Perhaps, and I’m just spitballing here - that your perception of atheists being disrespectful is partly down to your go-to responses being gems such as:
You guys are pieces of crapgo take a s*** on the toilet, wipe your ass and flush cuz that's all the more it's worth to me.Another liar who wants some kind of door that they can go through to insult theists and not get called out for itbecause you're a lying piece of s***because you're all goddamn liars and try to look better than these because you think you're superior to them. Fuck that.You really are the biggest idiot that post on this site.
In this respect, again spitballing, perhaps the disrespect you experience from atheists isn’t because you’re a theist, but because you’re a bit of a Berkeley Hunt.
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@Polytheist-Witch
So according to you atheists do believe gods exist so let's have the atheist here list the gods they believe exist which will be zero, because you're a lying piece of s***
i believe spinoza's god qualifies as indisputable
i am perfectly comfortable being identified as a DEIST
i am also perfectly comfortable being identified as a GNOSTIC
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@Ramshutu
Polytheist: I don't think atheists have faith in anything. The only reason their beliefs are illegitimate need to be degraded is because it comes out of bigotry not a single atheist I've ever met has any respect for a single theist.
Please provide a quotation of a case where I have disrespected you.Perhaps, and I’m just spitballing here - that your perception of atheists being disrespectful is partly down to your go-to responses being gems such as:
Polytheist: You guys are pieces of crap
go take a s*** on the toilet, wipe your ass and flush cuz that's all the more it's worth to me.
Another liar who wants some kind of door that they can go through to insult theists and not get called out for it
because you're a lying piece of s***
because you're all goddamn liars and try to look better than these because you think you're superior to them. Fuck that.
You really are the biggest idiot that post on this site.
In this respect, again spitballing, perhaps the disrespect you experience from atheists isn’t because you’re a theist, but because you’re a bit of a Berkeley Hunt.
Polytheist-Witch is a good example of how witches deal with going past menopause. That still doesn’t justify burning witches, though.
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@Sidewalker
Belief in God is a matter of faith and it is about faith in a transcendent reality, it makes no sense to require a transcendent reality to be “clearly defined”.
So you believe in something you cannot clearly define.
Not being facetious here, genuinely asking... Do you believe in the principals of logic?
Belief in God is a matter of faith, there is no “burden of proof”.
Anyone who makes a claim carries with it, a burden of proof. So technically, sure, merely believing in something does not obligate you to prove your beliefs to anyone else. But when you cross that line by expecting others to see as you do or to even take your beliefs seriously, you absolutely have a burden to prove it.
Theism is a choice one makes, as is Atheism, the Theistic conclusion in not logically coercive, neither is the Atheist conclusion, neither is a matter of proof, both are a matter of faith.
There is no faith required to not believe something.
To claim that theist and atheism are not logically coercive means that no position on this subject can be. So on what basis do you believe anything?
Theist and Atheist present themselves as competing beliefs, defining Atheism as simply a lack of belief obfuscates the issue and is not explanatory.
It's not atheists presenting atheism as a competing belief, that's a strawman theists invented in order to convince themselves that they are not the only ones who have a burden of proof they cannot meet.
The term atheist doesn't need to explain anything other than an individual's position on whether there is a god, just as the word theist tells us nothing other than an individual's position on whether there is a god. These terms do not tell us what god, they don't tell us whether the individual is religious, they don't tell us how long they have believed nor how convinced they are. If you want to know more about an individual's position, just ask. Expecting a single word to convey all of this is just lazy and is not an argument against the notion that atheism is simply a lack of belief.
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@Double_R
It's not atheists presenting atheism as a competing belief, that's a strawman theists invented in order to convince themselves that they are not the only ones who have a burden of proof they cannot meet.The term atheist doesn't need to explain anything other than an individual's position on whether there is a god, just as the word theist tells us nothing other than an individual's position on whether there is a god. These terms do not tell us what god, they don't tell us whether the individual is religious, they don't tell us how long they have believed nor how convinced they are. If you want to know more about an individual's position, just ask. Expecting a single word to convey all of this is just lazy and is not an argument against the notion that atheism is simply a lack of belief.
If God whose existence is denied by Atheists cannot set the record right. How can God be credited with what Theists believe about him? The labels like omnipresent! Omnipotence, omniscience all become meaningless and hyperbolic.
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@3RU7AL
both are a matter of faith
no "faith" is required to "lack belief" in bigfoot
which bigfoot are you
even talking about ?
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@Sidewalker
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both are a matter of faith
no "faith" is required to "lack belief" in bigfootwhich bigfoot are you even talking about ?
If they have big hands they probably have big feet.
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@Double_R
Belief
in God is a matter of faith and it is about faith in a transcendent reality, it
makes no sense to require a transcendent reality to be “clearly defined”.
So you believe in something you cannot clearly define.
Of course I do, and I’ll contend that there are plenty of things you believe in but cannot clearly define.
Not being facetious here, genuinely asking... Do you believe in the principals of logic?
Yes, and I believe that Kurt Godel “proved” that the principles of logic cannot be clearly defined, at least not in a consistent and complete manner.
Belief in God is a matter of faith, there is no “burden of proof”.
Anyone who makes a claim carries with it, a burden of proof. So technically, sure, merely believing in something does not obligate you to prove your beliefs to anyone else. But when you cross that line by expecting others to see as you do or to even take your beliefs seriously, you absolutely have a burden to prove it.
That’s not a line I cross, don’t really give a crap in terms of expecting others to see as I do, or whether or not they even take my beliefs seriously. How about you, is that a line you have crossed? I’ll be happy to volley your “burden of proof” over the net back to you.
Theism is a choice one makes, as is Atheism, the Theistic conclusion in not logically coercive, neither is the Atheist conclusion, neither is a matter of proof, both are a matter of faith.
There is no faith required to not believe something.
I’m aware of the Atheist playbook, and that Pavlovian response is not rational, belief in the existence of a transcendent realm is clearly a matter of faith, you are passing judgement on whether or not you believe it its existence, your associated belief that “absence of evidence is evidence of absence” is a matter of faith.
To claim that theist and atheism are not logically coercive means that no position on this subject can be.
Yep, that’s how Metaphysics works, Metaphysical frameworks, are not constrained or verified by observation and measurement. Is it your contention that Atheism is logically coercive? If so, I’ll be happy to serve that burden of proof right back.
So on
what basis do you believe anything?
Right back at ya, on what basis do you believe that “absence of evidence is evidence of absence”, in fact, on what basis do you believe anything?
Theist and Atheist present themselves as competing beliefs, defining Atheism as simply a lack of belief obfuscates the issue and is not explanatory.
Right back at ya, on what basis do you believe that “absence of evidence is evidence of absence”, in fact, on what basis do you believe anything?
Theist and Atheist present themselves as competing beliefs, defining Atheism as simply a lack of belief obfuscates the issue and is not explanatory.
It's not atheists presenting atheism as a competing belief, that's a strawman theists invented in order to convince themselves that they are not the only ones who have a burden of proof they cannot meet.
LOL, Pavlov all the way, so help me understand, the basis of your beliefs, is that you believe that the beliefs that compete with yours, have a burden of proof they cannot meet, and that’s the basis of what you believe? That’s some circular logic you got there.
Are you telling me that you can meet the burden of proof for everything else that you believe?
The term atheist doesn't need to explain anything other than an individual's position on whether there is a god, just as the word theist tells us nothing other than an individual's position on whether there is a god.
Yep, you either have faith there is a God, or you have faith there is not a God.
These terms do not tell us what god, they don't tell us whether the individual is religious, they don't tell us how long they have believed nor how convinced they are. If you want to know more about an individual's position, just ask. Expecting a single word to convey all of this is just lazy and is not an argument against the notion that atheism is simply a lack of belief.
Man, you are really passionate about this "lack of belief" you have.
OK, so I’ll ask, what God is it you don’t believe in, and please “clearly define”.
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@Sidewalker
Yep, you either have faith there is a God, or you have not seen one single bit of evidence that there is a God.
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@Lemming
Sure if we state our beliefs conclusion as we believe just because we believe,I don't expect there to be any superiority between the two, from an objective view, not prepossessed towards one feeling of the other.Well, infinite God might depend on one's definition of God,Might depend on whether another 'accepts such a definition.My own interest isn't so much in arguing against people's reasons for believing God,So my being at square one doesn't bother me much,Though I've debated the point with someone at least once in the past, as a way of testing my own beliefs and conclusions.I'm not an Atheist interested in crusading against religion,I'm happy enough usually to talk in bits on religion,Admiring what I find beautiful or useful, in Religion 'or Atheism. I think.
You are a fence sitter who cannot decide which side the grass is greener. But using words like interested, beautiful, useful and happy qualifies you for a used car salesman.
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@FLRW
Yep, you either have faith there is a God, or you have not seen one single bit of evidence that there is a God.
So you believe that absence of evidence is evidence of absense?
What evidence do you have that "evidentialism" is valid?
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@Sidewalker
What evidence do you have that "evidentialism" is valid?
Atoms
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@Sidewalker
So you believe that absence of evidence is evidence of absense?
Absence of evidence can be evidence of absence under the right circumstances. Let's say I have a random number generator run 20 times, and of those twenty numbers, all were either 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6. Technically, this doesn't rule out the possibility of the range of the generator being 1-7, or even 1-100, but it is evidence in favor of it only being 1-6.
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@Shila
@#194
I don't consider myself a fence sitter, I'm clear enough an Atheist, not a Theist, but that doesn't make me an Anti-Theist.
People also have various definitions of God, that by 'some people's definitions, even Atheists could have God/s,
Though I don't go for such definitions 'myself,
Still it's not always so clear cut.
Atheism or Theism, either one have their moments and perspectives,
Good, bad, beauty, ugly, useful, useless,
'Depends on context.
Is my opinion.
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@Sidewalker
no "faith" is required to "lack belief" in bigfootwhich bigfoot are you even talking about ?
the one you"lack belief" in
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@Shila
If God whose existence is denied by Atheists cannot set the record right. How can God be credited with what Theists believe about him? The labels like omnipresent! Omnipotence, omniscience all become meaningless and hyperbolic.
all atheists are obviously puppets of the omnipotent and omniscient cosmic force
Inanna is among the oldest deities whose names are recorded in ancient Sumer. She is listed among the earliest seven divine powers: Anu, Enlil, Enki, Ninhursag, Nanna, Utu, and Inanna. These seven would form the basis for many of the characteristics of the gods who followed.
Man made gods in his image.
Atheist can barely understand monotheist principles. Throw in animism and polytheism and they're completely lost. If you don't get it then don't post about it.
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@3RU7AL
no "faith" is required to "lack belief" in bigfootwhich bigfoot are you even talking about ?
the one you"lack belief" in
Who said I don't believe in bigfoot, fact is, I'm pretty sure my neighbor three doors down is bigfoot.
Madame Curie, one of the greatest scientists of all time, was born Maria Sklodowska on November 7, 1867, in Warsaw, Poland—then occupied Russia. She was the daughter of two teachers: her freethinking father, a nationalist who taught physics and mathematics, and her Catholic mother, who ran a prestigious boarding school and died of tuberculosis when Maria was just ten years old.
Curie is said to have become an agnostic as a teenager and was described variously throughout her life as a rationalist, an atheist, and a freethinker. “Nothing in life is to be feared,” she said. “It is only to be understood.”
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@FLRW
Madame Curie, one of the greatest scientists of all time, was born Maria Sklodowska on November 7, 1867, in Warsaw, Poland—then occupied Russia. She was the daughter of two teachers: her freethinking father, a nationalist who taught physics and mathematics, and her Catholic mother, who ran a prestigious boarding school and died of tuberculosis when Maria was just ten years old.Curie is said to have become an agnostic as a teenager and was described variously throughout her life as a rationalist, an atheist, and a freethinker. “Nothing in life is to be feared,” she said. “It is only to be understood.”
We studied about her is school. Brings back memories
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@Sidewalker
no "faith" is required to "lack belief" in bigfootwhich bigfoot are you even talking about ?the one you"lack belief" inWho said I don't believe in bigfoot, fact is, I'm pretty sure my neighbor three doors down is bigfoot.
what about the one roaming the woodlands in the Blue Mountains, Okanogan County ?
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@3RU7AL
no "faith" is required to "lack belief" in bigfootwhich bigfoot are you even talking about ?the one you"lack belief" inWho said I don't believe in bigfoot, fact is, I'm pretty sure my neighbor three doors down is bigfoot.
what about the one roaming the woodlands in the Blue Mountains, Okanogan County ?
Probably a cousin or something.
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@Sidewalker
no "faith" is required to "lack belief" in bigfootwhich bigfoot are you even talking about ?the one you"lack belief" inWho said I don't believe in bigfoot, fact is, I'm pretty sure my neighbor three doors down is bigfoot.
what about the one roaming the woodlands in the Blue Mountains, Okanogan County ?Probably a cousin or something.
How does that make them Atheists or Hypocrites?
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@Shila
If God whose existence is denied by Atheists cannot set the record right. How can God be credited with what Theists believe about him?
I don't credit god for anything. I mostly credit the human inability to face our own mortality for what theists believe about him.
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@Double_R
I mostly credit the human inability to face our own mortality for what theists believe about him.
And yet another reason to hate atheists.