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Its a response to the fact that we base what is empirical based on shared experience (to confirm) yet this is based on shaky foundations if people cant be proven to even be self-conscious.
because if you want the conversation to be about the god you believe in then you need to propose it first.
Saying that our common reality is presented as some absolutely truth is a straw man.
Belief in God is a matter of faith and it is about faith in a transcendent reality, it makes no sense to require a transcendent reality to be “clearly defined”.
both are a matter of faith
it leaves no basis for distinguishing between Atheist and Agnostic
Most Atheists are explicit in their contention that God does not exist
I disagree. There will soon be a philosophical revolution in many years to come. Things will become a whole lot more certain one day, its certainly possible if we can tweak kants categories of mind to be analytic a posteriori, then we wouldn't have to rely on logical fallacies to justify our perception of "reality".
I would agree ramshutu, i don't think we can currently be certain of anything beyond ones own existence. This will one day change.
anyone can believe anything they wish for any reason they wishYep, we all “choose” our beliefs.but if you're going to expect someone else to believe what you believeIt seems that there are as many evangelical Atheists as there are evangelical Theists.you need to be able to explain what the hell you're talking about.The basis of faith is not inferential reason, it is personal encounter with the values, meaning, and purpose that can be apprehended in and through ordinary experience.
The believer does not commit to an inferred God whose existence depends on the strength and validity of the arguments that are devised for proving or disproving his likely existence. Faith does not move in the arena of historical or metaphysical probabilities, it moves in the arena of inwardness, of self-knowledge.
Faith is total commitment to a discernment, it brings depths of new discernment, opportunities for new commitment and empowerment for realizing our unique potentialities.
To believe in God is primarily to believe in the objectivity the meaning, value and purpose found in the experiential reality of a human being. That view is not based on evidence but is an axiom that makes a life of faith – of seeing all experience in the light of such objective value and purpose – possible. Such a belief is confirmed primarily by the sense it enables people to make of their lives. It is also confirmed by the greater vitality, happiness, and moral dynamism that it reportedly brings to those who accept it.
I find it a silly semantic game to say "atheism simply means lack of belief" that's literally what agnostic means too. So what is the dividing factor?
It also explains why atheism should not be defined as the belief that God doesn't exist, because no one who holds such a belief could possibly do so while taking into account every god concept.
an atheist does not make this claiman atheist simply "lacks belief
Polytheist-Witch: Please don't sit here and try to pretend that atheists don't do certain things because you want to see more superior and thought and action than theists. Atheists believe no gods exist. They do not at any point try to compare one god to another, all gods are in one single category, all gods are false. They do not believe any gods exist and to say otherwise is a falsehood on your part and a lie and an attempt to manipulate the conversation. This is why you get topics like atheist or cowards and atheists or hypocrites because you're all goddamn liars and try to look better than these because you think you're superior to them. Fuck that.
Yep, we all “choose” our beliefs.
The basis of faith is not inferential reason, it is personal encounter with the values, meaning, and purpose that can be apprehended in and through ordinary experience.
Atheists believe no gods exist.
Polytheist-Witch: Your death threats are boring act on them or f*** off.
Yep, we all “choose” our beliefs.
Please don't sit here and try to pretend that atheists don't do certain things because you want to see more superior and thought and action than theists. Atheists believe no gods exist. They do not at any point try to compare one god to another, all gods are in one single category, all gods are false. They do not believe any gods exist and to say otherwise is a falsehood on your part and a lie and an attempt to manipulate the conversation. This is why you get topics like atheist or cowards and atheists or hypocrites because you're all goddamn liars and try to look better than these because you think you're superior to them. Fuck that.
Polytheist-Witch: Then act, pussy.
If you believe that no Gods exists - you are also an atheist. But one does not have to believe no Gods exist in order to be an Atheist
Polytheist-Witch: Act on your death threat or fuck off, pussy.