Atheists are hypocrites

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Perhaps you stated the above because it is actually you who hates atheists.

I personally love theists, because they have some fun ideas to discuss.
Are you implying atheists are dull that only theists have fun ideas to discuss.

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Well, there is theistic data and we can all share it and conclude variously.

And some conclusions are labelled as atheist.

Which leads to contention. 

And one would hope that contention in a discussion forum would also lead to two way fun.
Now you see contention as two way fun.
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Certainly within a discussion forum.

The reason I'm here is because this  is a mentally stimulating and enjoyable exercise.

Why are you here?
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Certainly within a discussion forum.

The reason I'm here is because this  is a mentally stimulating and enjoyable exercise.

Why are you here?
I am here to verify if  Atheists are hypocrites.

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I am here to verify if  Atheists are hypocrites.

I would suggest that the above statement doesn't really make sense.

Nonetheless, do you derive satisfaction from verifying if?
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I am here to verify if  Atheists are hypocrites.

I would suggest that the above statement doesn't really make sense.

Nonetheless, do you derive satisfaction from verifying if?
But that is what the topic is about, “ Atheists are hypocrites.”

I am here to read the arguments and verify if  Atheists are indeed hypocrites.
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Atheists are hypocrites

 What have atheist to be hypocritical about?  


read my very first post.

 I did but I am failing to see the hypocrisy. So do you have any examples of atheists displaying hypocrisy?  You appear to be saying that a theists are more noble than atheists simply because they believe different to you in that the do not believe in the existence of a god. Am I correct?


I cant be bothered explaining, just know there's a reason why idealists exist.

 So you don't actually have any examples of an atheist being a hypocrite then. I thought not.
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Sure.

But do you enjoy doing so.

If not,

Why bother.
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 I am here to read the arguments and verify if  Atheists are indeed hypocrites.

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Sure.

But do you enjoy doing so.

If not,

Why bother.
Atheists population are growing in numbers. So adding them to the number of Christian hypocrites will be a Herculean task.
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Well, the population as a whole is growing in numbers.

And if Non-Christian societies are breeding faster than Christian societies, then so it will be.
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Well, the population as a whole is growing in numbers.

And if Non-Christian societies are breeding faster than Christian societies, then so it will be
Christian countries are breeding just as fast. But the use of abortions, birth control and contraceptives, same sex partners are all slowing the birth rates. The Supreme Court decision to throw out Roe v. Wade might help bridge the difference.

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There's breeding.

And then there's sticking ones todger up some persons rectum.

Or any other recreational sex modus.

Roe v Wade is just a soundbite.
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Christian countries are breeding just as fast. But the use of abortions, birth control and contraceptives, same sex partners are all slowing the birth rates. The Supreme Court decision to throw out Roe v. Wade might help bridge the difference.

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There's breeding.

And then there's sticking ones todger up some persons rectum.

Or any other recreational sex modus.

Roe v Wade is just a soundbite.
Roe v. Wade has been shut off by the Supreme Court. There is accountability even for recreational sex.

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Christian countries are breeding just as fast.

Where.  In Africa?
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Christian countries are breeding just as fast.

Where.  In Africa?
Africans are converting very fast to Christianity. But Christians breed just as fast in every country.

Christian countries are breeding just as fast. But the use of abortions, birth control and contraceptives, same sex partners are all slowing the birth rates. The Supreme Court decision to throw out Roe v. Wade might help bridge the difference.

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Christian countries are breeding just as fast.

Where.  In Africa?
Africans are converting very fast to Christianity. But Christians breed just as fast in every country.

 And your evidence for this is what exactly? 

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Christian countries are breeding just as fast.

Where.  In Africa?
Africans are converting very fast to Christianity. But Christians breed just as fast in every country.

 And your evidence for this is what exactly? 
Rate of Abortion in Christian countries.
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Christian countries are breeding just as fast.

Where.  In Africa?
Africans are converting very fast to Christianity. But Christians breed just as fast in every country.

 And your evidence for this is what exactly? 
Rate of Abortion in Christian countries.

You aren't making sense. Either the rate of births is the same as Islam or it is not, yet here you are telling me about abortion rates in the west being the same as in Africa. In Islam women are not allowed to terminate a pregnancy. In Islam the man can have more than one wife. Yet here you are telling us that the rates of births are the same.
Islam is outgrowing Christianity all around the world.  Christianity is on its last legs and the only growth is shown to be in only some African countries.

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You aren't making sense. Either the rate of births is the same as Islam or it is not, yet here you are telling me about abortion rates in the west being the same as in Africa. In Islam women are not allowed to terminate a pregnancy. In Islam the man can have more than one wife. Yet here you are telling us that the rates of births are the same.
Islam is outgrowing Christianity all around the world.  Christianity is on its last legs and the only growth is shown to be in only some African countries.
There were more Christians than Muslims. But because Christian countries legalized abortion their numbers began to decline.
Muslims are gaining both in converts and higher birth rates than Christians.

Blacks have the  highest rates of abortion. This much is true: In the United States, the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women.

Banning abortion in Christian countries will be the great equalizer.


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You aren't making sense. Either the rate of births is the same as Islam or it is not, yet here you are telling me about abortion rates in the west being the same as in Africa. In Islam women are not allowed to terminate a pregnancy. In Islam the man can have more than one wife. Yet here you are telling us that the rates of births are the same.
Islam is outgrowing Christianity all around the world.  Christianity is on its last legs and the only growth is shown to be in only some African countries.
There were more Christians than Muslims.

There may well have been, but you can be assured that Christians are being outnumbered all over the world. Christianity/Christians is/are in decline. These are facts.


Muslims and Islam: Key findings in the U.S. and around the world.



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You aren't making sense. Either the rate of births is the same as Islam or it is not, yet here you are telling me about abortion rates in the west being the same as in Africa. In Islam women are not allowed to terminate a pregnancy. In Islam the man can have more than one wife. Yet here you are telling us that the rates of births are the same.
Islam is outgrowing Christianity all around the world.  Christianity is on its last legs and the only growth is shown to be in only some African countries.
There were more Christians than Muslims.

There may well have been, but you can be assured that Christians are being outnumbered all over the world. Christianity/Christians is/are in decline. These are facts.


Muslims and Islam: Key findings in the U.S. and around the world.

That is why Christians in America have banned abortions to help bridge the population gap. By banning gays and LGBT as well Christians will increase their numbers. Plural marriage is also under consideration.
In the news was a 10 year old girl raped and pregnant forced to have the baby. That too is part of the solution to grow the Christian population.
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You aren't making sense. Either the rate of births is the same as Islam or it is not, yet here you are telling me about abortion rates in the west being the same as in Africa. In Islam women are not allowed to terminate a pregnancy. In Islam the man can have more than one wife. Yet here you are telling us that the rates of births are the same.
Islam is outgrowing Christianity all around the world.  Christianity is on its last legs and the only growth is shown to be in only some African countries.
There were more Christians than Muslims.

There may well have been, but you can be assured that Christians are being outnumbered all over the world. Christianity/Christians is/are in decline. These are facts.


Muslims and Islam: Key findings in the U.S. and around the world.

That is why Christians in America have banned abortions to help bridge the population gap.
makes no difference. And doesn't prove anything but that Muslims are out breeding Christians.


By banning gays and LGBT as well Christians will increase their numbers. Plural marriage is also under consideration.

That makes no difference whatsoever.



In the news was a 10 year old girl raped and pregnant forced to have the baby. That too is part of the solution to grow the Christian population.

So raping ten year old children is what Christians are doing to increase their numbers.  You really talk shite a lot of the time.

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Yes, and I believe that Kurt Godel “proved” that the principles of logic cannot be clearly defined, at least not in a consistent and complete manner.
I don't know nor do I care to know who Kurt Godel is, but if you believe the principals of logic cannot be defined in a consistent manner then you don't know what logic is.

That’s not a line I cross, don’t really give a crap in terms of expecting others to see as I do, or whether or not they even take my beliefs seriously.
Then why are we talking? What is your purpose here?

There is no faith required to not believe something.
I’m aware of the Atheist playbook, and that Pavlovian response is not rational, belief in the existence of a transcendent realm is clearly a matter of faith, you are passing judgement on whether or not you believe it its existence, your associated belief that “absence of evidence is evidence of absence” is a matter of faith. 
You are now having a conversation with yourself.

All I said is "there is no faith required to not believe something".  So you understand what this statement means? Do you disagree with it? Do you have a resonse to it that is based on the conversation we're actually having?

LOL, Pavlov all the way, so help me understand, the basis of your beliefs, is that you believe that the beliefs that compete with yours, have a burden of proof they cannot meet, and that’s the basis of what you believe?  That’s some circular logic you got there.
Never said any of this. Once again, having a conversation with yourself.

Yep, you either have faith there is a God, or you have faith there is not a God.
Or, you can look at the evidence and apply logic to arrive at a conclusion. I prefer the latter.

OK, so I’ll ask, what God is it you don’t believe in, and please “clearly define”.
I don't believe in a god that is perfect and yet created us with the desire that we worship him, because a perfect being would have no deficiencies and therefore have no need for others to worship him.

There are plenty more, but we can start there.




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I don't believe in a god that is perfect and yet created us with the desire that we worship him, because a perfect being would have no deficiencies and therefore have no need for others to worship him.

There are plenty more, but we can start there.
Worship is “to give honor, homage, reverence, respect, adoration, praise, or glory to a superior being.” God demands worship because He and He alone is worthy of it. He is the only being that truly deserves worship. He requests that we acknowledge His greatness, His power, and His glory. 

If god had deficiencies there would be no need for others to worship him.
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Yes, and I believe that Kurt Godel “proved” that the principles of logic cannot be clearly defined, at least not in a consistent and complete manner.
I don't know nor do I care to know who Kurt Godel is, but if you believe the principals of logic cannot be defined in a consistent manner then you don't know what logic is.

You are saying you choose to be uninformed about the subject matter you are accusing me of being uninformed about? Isn’t that precious.

That’s not a line I cross, don’t really give a crap in terms of expecting others to see as I do, or whether or not they even take my beliefs seriously.
Then why are we talking? What is your purpose here?

Discuss and debate, see what other's have seen, what is your purpose here?  Are you saying you are here to get others to see as you do, and you want your belief’s taken seriously?  Sounds like you’re the one who’s got the burden of proof now.
 
Or maybe you think that anyone who comes to this site is obliged to make you see as they do?  Do you really think this site is all about you?

There is no faith required to not believe something.
I’m aware of the Atheist playbook, and that Pavlovian response is not rational, belief in the existence of a transcendent realm is clearly a matter of faith, you are passing judgement on whether or not you believe it its existence, your associated belief that “absence of evidence is evidence of absence” is a matter of faith. 
You are now having a conversation with yourself.

All I said is "there is no faith required to not believe something".  So you understand what this statement means? Do you disagree with it? Do you have a resonse to it that is based on the conversation we're actually having?

Yeah, like I said, I disagree with it. The existence of a transcendent realm is a matter of faith, you have faith that it doesn’t exist, and I’ll add that you are very dogmatic about your faith.

LOL, Pavlov all the way, so help me understand, the basis of your beliefs, is that you believe that the beliefs that compete with yours, have a burden of proof they cannot meet, and that’s the basis of what you believe?  That’s some circular logic you got there.
Never said any of this. Once again, having a conversation with yourself.

Yes, you did.  That puerile burden of proof game you play isn’t valid, it demonstrates that you do not understand logic.  “You have the burden of proof so I’m right” isn’t a logical argument.  

Yep, you either have faith there is a God, or you have faith there is not a God.
Or, you can look at the evidence and apply logic to arrive at a conclusion. I prefer the latter.

Yeah yeah, that’s how you arrived at your dogmatic beliefs, got it.

OK, so I’ll ask, what God is it you don’t believe in, and please “clearly define”.
I don't believe in a god that is perfect and yet created us with the desire that we worship him, because a perfect being would have no deficiencies and therefore have no need for others to worship him.

There are plenty more, but we can start there.

Your “lack of faith” is very explicit, how about the invisible bearded man in the sky, is that one of yours too? 

I'll address this in a new thread titled "Childish God".
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Do you believe in the existence of an external reality, does the universe exist, if so, then the burden of proof is on you, and I win.

Do you believe you are conscious, if so, the burden of proof is on you, and I win.

Woo hoo, this debate thing is really kewl.
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But that is what the topic is about, “ Atheists are hypocrites.”

I am here to read the arguments and verify if  Atheists are indeed hypocrites.

Well, we are into 326 pages of argument now. So are you ready to deliver you verdict?

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But that is what the topic is about, “ Atheists are hypocrites.”
I am here to read the arguments and verify if  Atheists are indeed hypocrites.

Well, we are into 326 pages of argument now. So are you ready to deliver you verdict?
You are still arguing about rape.

So raping ten year old children is what Christians are doing to increase their numbers.  You really talk shite a lot of the time.
Try to stay on topic.

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Well, we are into 326 pages of argument now. So are you ready to deliver you verdict?
You are still arguing about rape.



So raping ten year old children is what Christians are doing to increase their numbers.  You really talk shite a lot of the time.
Try to stay on topic.

Nope. The thread - THE TOPIC - is concerned with if or not atheists are hypocrites, you cretin. And it was YOU  that brought rape into the thread not me.

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"in the news was a 10 year old girl raped and pregnant forced to have the baby. That too is part of the solution to grow the Christian population".#320

I simply replied;
"So raping ten year old children is what Christians are doing to increase their numbers.  You really talk shite a lot of the time".#321

So don't even attempt to put your perverted opinions and thoughts onto my shoulders. AND STAY ON FKN TOPIC!





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Well, we are into 326 pages of argument now. So are you ready to deliver you verdict?
You are still arguing about rape.



So raping ten year old children is what Christians are doing to increase their numbers.  You really talk shite a lot of the time.
Try to stay on topic.

Nope. The thread - THE TOPIC - is concerned with if or not atheists are hypocrites, you cretin. And it was YOU  that brought rape into the thread not me.

Here>>.
"in the news was a 10 year old girl raped and pregnant forced to have the baby. That too is part of the solution to grow the Christian population".#320

I simply replied;
"So raping ten year old children is what Christians are doing to increase their numbers.  You really talk shite a lot of the time".#321

There you go again bringing up rape. Try to stay on topic.

So don't even attempt to put your perverted opinions and thoughts onto my shoulders. AND STAY ON FKN TOPIC!
You don’t want  getting perverted opinions and thoughts on your shoulders. Guess that is because it would be too close to your face.
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Yeah, like I said, I disagree with it. The existence of a transcendent realm is a matter of faith, you have faith that it doesn’t exist, and I’ll add that you are very dogmatic about your faith.
I never claimed an external realm doesn't exist nor is that my position. You made that up so that you could claim my beliefs are just as irrational as yours.

Yes, you did.  That puerile burden of proof game you play isn’t valid, it demonstrates that you do not understand logic.  “You have the burden of proof so I’m right” isn’t a logical argument. 
I never made that argument. You’re once again, having a conversation in your head.

The burden of proof is a very basic philosophic principal rooted in skepticism. It’s not just a matter of external validation, far more importantly, it’s about internal validation. If you believe something you should have a good reason (aka evidence) for it. Without such reason, to continue to hold the belief is by definition irrational.

External validation here is simply the test of whether you actually have good reason, which is why those who aren’t interested in filtering out irrational beliefs hate talking about it.

So no, this has nothing to do with “winning” (a remarkably childish interpretation). Accepting the burden of proof as a valid principal governing acceptable thought is a prerequisite for having a rational dialog. So when you disregard it you show that you are not interested in that, at which point there is no reason to discuss anything with you.