Pro choicers need to come up with better arguments

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So what about all the poor people born in other countries that are streaming illegally over our borders to get welfare ?  Shouldn't they have been aborted?

But you don't want future poor kids with low intelligence who hate their parents to be aborted in the US?
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Personhood is subjective and determining who and/or what qualifies is entirely a question about values
No, hence why we only refer to humans and not other species as persons because they’re OBJECTIVELY not persons.
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There is simply no good pro-choice argument. 
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No, hence why we only refer to humans and not other species as persons because they’re OBJECTIVELY not persons.
What does this have to do with what I said?
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What does this have to do with what I said?
Because you tried to distinguish humanity from personhood and in the same breath called personhood subjective, my quote proves that it’s OBJECTIVELY not.

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There is simply no good pro-choice argument.

Other than the good simple  argument for pro-choice

Which is that of the host mother to make.

Rather than the choice of some pious old bloke.

Or pious young bloke for that matter.
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Because you tried to distinguish humanity from personhood and in the same breath called personhood subjective, my quote proves that it’s OBJECTIVELY not.
I distinguished the term "human being" from personhood. Human being is a biological term, we're not talking about biology.

As I already pointed out, when we talk about what makes someone a person we're talking about things like the ability to feel, think, self awareness, etc. What qualifies as the criteria is whatever we value, making the term inherently subjective. 

Your example compared a fetus to animals, something that has nothing to do with this conversation. It prices nothing.
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Human being is a biological term, we're not talking about biology.
Yes we are, hence why we don’t refer to species other than HUMAN BEINGS as persons.

As I already pointed out, when we talk about what makes someone a person we're talking about things like the ability to feel, think, self awareness, etc. What qualifies as the criteria is whatever we value, making the term inherently subjective. 
No, because as I already pointed out then that would make other species that possess those traits persons, they’re not because of one simple fact, they’re not HUMAN. Want to know what makes someone a person? Well it’s a lot simpler then you may think, it’s simply being them which is what? HUMAN, it isn’t subjective by any measure, humanity is the common denominator here, you can’t shy away from it no matter how hard you try. Honestly I can’t believe a subject like this is even entertained in the first place, it seems like it should be common knowledge that all humans are persons and all persons are humans, that correlation isn’t subjective in the slightest sense.
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Because you tried to distinguish humanity from personhood and in the same breath called personhood subjective, my quote proves that it’s OBJECTIVELY not.
do you understand how language works ?
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do you understand how language works ?
Don’t try me 3, we’ve had numerous discussions before so keep that same energy please, you know how that works?

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@Tarik
do you understand how language works ?
Don’t try me 3, we’ve had numerous discussions before so keep that same energy please, you know how that works?
An orangutan named Sandra was granted non-human personhood rights in 2015 and has been moved from the Buenos Aires Zoo to a home in Florida. Legal personhood is not synonymous with human being. A "non-human person" refers to an entity that possesses some rights for limited legal purposes. [**]
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A "non-human person" refers to an entity that possesses some rights for limited legal purposes.
No legal system can define what is and isn’t a person, only science can do that, read a book.
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No legal system can define what is and isn’t a person, only science can do that, read a book.
please link to your personally preferred "scientific" definition of "person"
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please link to your personally preferred "scientific" definition of "person"
There’s nothing “personally preferred” about it because personhood isn’t a matter of preference it’s objective fact, but if you insist https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/person
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@Tarik
please link to your personally preferred "scientific" definition of "person"
There’s nothing “personally preferred” about it because personhood isn’t a matter of preference it’s objective fact, but if you insist https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/person
what part of "lexico" qualifies as "science" ?

i've known a few lexicographers, and they simply survey editors of major publications

not exactly "science"
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what part of "lexico" qualifies as "science" ?
No part doesn’t mean it doesn’t agree with science.
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what part of "lexico" qualifies as "science" ?
No part doesn’t mean it doesn’t agree with science.
please link to "science"
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@Tarik
No legal system can define what is and isn’t a person, only science can do that, read a book.
My good man, just ....stop. You're embarrassing your self. Personhood is a legal distiction. Science has no authority here.
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There is simply no good pro-choice argument
I can't imagine an argument stronger than self-ownership as it is the basis of all rights. 

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please link to "science"
Why can’t you just take what I said at face value?
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My good man, just ....stop. You're embarrassing your self. Personhood is a legal distiction. Science has no authority here.
Why are you starting a circle here? 
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@Tarik
please link to "science"
Why can’t you just take what I said at face value?
"science" is the opposite of "taking something at face value"
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@Tarik
My good man, just ....stop. You're embarrassing your self. Personhood is a legal distiction. Science has no authority here.
Why are you starting a circle here? 
Your question could be interpreted many ways. You'll need to be more clear...
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@Tarik
Why can’t you just take what I said at face value?
Probably because you’re no authority on the subject. 
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@SkepticalOne
I can't imagine an argument stronger than self-ownership as it is the basis of all rights. 
self ownership doesn't trump an individual human life which you brought into existence. 
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"science" is the opposite of "taking something at face value"
Not if what’s being taken at face value corresponds with science.
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Your question could be interpreted many ways. You'll need to be more clear...
And you need to be more original in your arguments, your not contributing anything new to this discussion.

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Probably because you’re no authority on the subject. 
And who is? You?
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Your question could be interpreted many ways. You'll need to be more clear...
And you need to be more original in your arguments, your not contributing anything new to this discussion.
Well, apparently you're not learning from your mistakes If someone else has pointed out science doesn't determine legal status and you're still appealing to science. 

A simple "my mistake" would prevent repitious corrections.