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@IwantRooseveltagain
Good luck proving they weren't declassified even if he finds it preposterous when the president can legally declassify documents on a whim.
Trump is an idiot
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@PREZ-HILTON
IwantRooseveltagain: That’s a lie. There is a process that has to be followed and it has to be documented. Don’t be an idiot.
No that's true. Also he wrote a memo to do the process, they just ignored him.... (because they are a captured institution, and that's how you know there is a deep state; something causes the FBI to ignore one POTUS and protect another)
WyIted: Politifact a left leaning fact check organization disagrees with you. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/
Politifact is known to be unreliable, but I guess they just couldn't bring themselves to lie this time...
That's the day of his firing. Four months after quid pro quo.IwantRooseveltagain: JC you idiot, the article by The NY Times was published the day he got fired. The article reports how Shokin was believed to be corrupt since he was appointed back in 2015.
If it was believed when he was hired why not bring an article saying that when he was hired? -> because on the day of the firing a controversy existed and it's very easy to find someone who will lie or imagine that they "knew she was a witch from the start".
This is a basic rule of history, when the accounts claim something happened in the past and you have records from that time there should be mention or else it is suspect. Without that rule, Shokin's claim that he was investigating burisma would have to be taken with just as much credibility years later as if he had said it the day before Biden's quid pro quo.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Does it really make sense to you that the POTUS spends his time thinking about and deciding which items are classified and what should be declassified?
Or do you think that is delegated to personnel in the intelligence agencies. Do you think Trump or any other President is an intelligence expert? Would it make sense for the President to declassify classified documents with no discussion, procedure, or even telling anyone else in the government? Does that seem likely to you? A system where the President declassifies top secret documents on his own and doesn’t even tell anyone. Do you believe that is the current system we have under Executive order? Or is this the likely system in place -
The legal basis for the classification system comes from the president’s constitutional authority as commander in chief. Presidents have established and developed it through a series of executive orders dating to the era encompassing World War II and the early Cold War. The current directive, Executive Order 13526, was issued by President Barack Obama in 2009.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Does it really make sense to you that the POTUS spends his time thinking about and deciding which items are classified and what should be declassified?
Whether it does or not, he has plausible deniability for any potential legal issues. Reasonable doubt is all any jury needs.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Whether it does or not, he has plausible deniability for any potential legal issues. Reasonable doubt is all any jury needs.
There are plenty of people from the Trump Administration who have already said publicly that this idea of automatic declassification is nonsense and a lie.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
There are plenty of people from the Trump Administration who have already said publicly that this idea of automatic declassification is nonsense and a lie.
I'm not sure why they would disagree with written law and legal experts. I guess he had a lot of retards in his administration if this is true. Hopefully next term he makes a note to IQ test the people he works with.
Exercise your critical thinking skills.
Don't pretend you know what's in the affidavit that gave the FBI permission to violate the 4th amendment.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I'm not sure why they would disagree with written law and legal experts. I guess he had a lot of retards in his administration if this is true. Hopefully next term he makes a note to IQ test the people he works with.
The written law is the Obama Executive Order. Trump did not follow the law and he is bull shitting when he says he had a “standing order” on declassifying anything he took to with him while in the White House. Nobody is confirming this so-called standing order.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Do you want to bet money on whether he will be in prison before the 2024 election?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Oh, you know exactly why Trumps home was raided. Please tell us what exactly what the FBI was looking for. No generalizations. A warrant must be specific. But we wont get to see that warrant will we? But you know. The last place on earth I would look for information is the news media or the internet. The bottom line is this, I know I will never know the truth about anything having to do with govt or pretty much anything without first hand knowledge. Most people will choose to believe what they are told by who ever and think they know the facts. You know the facts right? You are a critical thinker right?
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@sadolite
Oh, you know exactly why Trumps home was raided. Please tell us what exactly what the FBI was looking for. No generalizations. A warrant must be specific. But we wont get to see that warrant will we?
Here you go.
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@Sidewalker
I think he meant the affidavit mentioned in the search warrant.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Plus, it doesn't matter whether or not he "secretly" declassified the documents.
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@Sidewalker
Can you paraphrase the paywalled article?
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@Greyparrot
Oops, sorry about that, I've declassified it for you.
Trump claims he declassified all the documents at Mar-a-Lago. Even if that’s true, it probably doesn’t matter.
Aug. 12, 2022
WASHINGTON — Former President Donald J. Trump claimed on Friday that before leaving office, he declassified all the documents the F.B.I. found in this week’s search of his Florida residence that agents described as classified in a list of what they seized — including several caches apparently marked as “top secret.”
“It was all declassified,” Mr. Trump asserted in a statement.
The claim echoed an assertion in May by Kash Patel, a former Trump administration official and a major supporter of Mr. Trump, after the National Archives found materials marked classified in boxes of documents it removed from Mr. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago club and estate. He asserted that Mr. Trump had deemed those files declassified shortly before leaving office, but that the markings had not been removed from them.
Mr. Trump has offered no details, but if he is saying he made a blanket, oral invocation that all the files he took to Mar-a-Lago were unclassified, without making any formal, written record, that would be difficult to prove or disprove. Even if there is no evidence that Mr. Trump followed normal procedures for declassifying certain types of information, his lawyers could argue that he was not constitutionally bound to obey such rules.
But in any case, such a claim would not settle the matter. For one thing, two of the laws that a search warrant executed at Mar-a-Lago this week referred to — Sections 1519 and 2071 of Title 18 of the United States Code — make the taking or concealment of government records a crime regardless of whether they had anything to do with national security.
For another, laws against taking or hoarding material with restricted national-security information, which generally carry heavier penalties than theft of ordinary documents, do not always line up with whether the files are technically classified.
That is because some criminal laws enacted by Congress to protect certain national-security information operate separately from the executive branch’s system of classifying documents — created by presidents using executive orders — as “confidential,” “secret” or “top secret.”
In particular, a third law the warrant references was Section 793, which carries a penalty of up to 10 years in prison per offense. Better known as the Espionage Act, it was enacted by Congress during World War I, decades before President Harry S. Truman issued an executive order creating the modern classification system for the executive branch.
As a result, the Espionage Act makes no reference to whether a document has been deemed classified. Instead, it makes it a crime to retain, without authorization, documents related to the national defense that could be used to harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary.
Prosecutors could argue that a document meets that act’s standard regardless of whether Mr. Trump had pronounced it unclassified short before leaving office; by the same token, defense lawyers could argue that it fell short of that standard regardless of how it had been marked.
“Because the Espionage Act speaks in terms of national defense information, it leaves open the possibility that such information could be unclassified as long as an agency is still taking steps to protect it from disclosure,” said Steven Aftergood, who runs the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists in Washington.
Guess that makes that affidavit pretty important. Too bad nobody will ever see it.
Regardless what happens to Trump, the FBI will be forever toast if they refuse to show the public the affidavit.
People will demand immediate reform. Maybe defunding the FBI.
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@Greyparrot
People will demand immediate reform. Maybe defunding the FBI.
By people you mean wack jobs?
You Trumpers are beautiful . When a cop kills an unarmed black man, you say he was just doing his job.
When a cop investigates a racist white man who stole state secrets, you say defund the police. Amazing!
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@sadolite
But we wont get to see that warrant will we?
The warrant has been made public dummy.
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@sadolite
The last place on earth I would look for information is the news media
That’s because you’re an idiot. Read the news paper!
The Washington Post
The Wall Street Journal
The New York Times
The Boston Globe
The LA Times
Reuters
The Associated Press
The BBC
TIME Magazine
Newsweek Magazine
The Atlantic Magazine
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@IwantRooseveltagain
-->@SidewalkerPlus, it doesn't matter whether or not he "secretly" declassified the documents.Did you even read the article you linked ? It says he broke the law (Espionage Act) even if he secretly declassified the documents.
Yes. That's why Sidewalker started by saying "Plus, it doesn't matter whether or not he "secretly" declassified the documents."
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@IwantRooseveltagain
When a cop kills an unarmed black man, you say he was just doing his job.
Not if he hides the footage like the FBI.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Uh it is a redacted version, meaning anything of useful content to make an educated opinion on it has been removed. But you can use it to form your opinions. I want an unredacted version if I am going to put myself out there and comment on it.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You can read all of them and you can believe you are being truthfully informed. I am not stopping you. You can believe what ever it is they tell you to believe. That's OK if it makes you feel good.
Maybe Trump stealing top secret records has something to do with him wanting a Muslim to be a Senator from PA.
Remember he endorsed Oz who is a Muslim.
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@oromagi
Yes yes yes a link from the internet. Irrefutable.
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@sadolite
-->@oromagiYes yes yes a link from the internet. Irrefutable.
wrong again!
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@sadolite
We still don't know all about the corruption in the FBI during operation crossfire hurricane. After 6 years. You won't know the truth about this either.
Greyparrot: "Quick! Change the subject!"