Abortion Has Now Been Eradicated

Given that it is not a part of another being's body and extending rights would not necessarily infringe on the rights of others, I personally see no reason why an embryo in an artificial womb should not be considered a person.

Persons are not persons because they are "considered" persons. Personhood is an inalienable right. Blacks would not become inferior if everyone suddenly "considered" them inferior.

Babies are either persons or not persons regardless of how they are "considered" by others.

I expect you to.

But my opposition to abortion is not theoretical. It is clear now that we have an artificial womb, the reasons put forth as justification for abortion were bogus.

Abortion will not have been eradicated. How will it have been eradicated?

Will it be women, or only couples asking for an artificial womb? What if they change their minds mid gestation?

If a crazed person enters the gestation room and destroys several embryos, what crime will he be charged with?

We will never be free of the scourge of abortion as long as there are people thinking a baby is just a mass of cells.

Is an embryo in an artificial womb a person?

Given that it is not a part of another being's body and extending rights would not necessarily infringe on the rights of others, I personally see no reason why an embryo in an artificial womb should not be considered a person.

Persons are not persons because they are "considered" persons. 

Personhood is an inalienable right.

If you want to end abortion, just castrate any man who gets a woman pregnant accidentally.

I can already here the defense: "Well, you see, your honor, ...yes, we were drunk, and ...yes, I would have never slept with her otherwise, but I MEANT to get her pregnant...REALLY!!"

Ok.  So, other than the language I've used, we agree on the personhood of embryos in artificial wombs. Sweet.

No sir. We debate using logic. Your position is yet illogical. The reasons you gave for why a baby in the womb was not a person were illogical in light of your position now.

A consistent position would have been:
"A baby is a person, but the sovereignty of the mother is a higher right and as long as the baby and mother are inseparable, the rights of the mother trumps"

But no pro-life person said anything like this. To a man, they all insisted that the baby was not a person. But they could never explain why dependency prohibited personhood. The connection was spurious.

Friend, personhood is not a right, but a designation indicating a being with rights.

Inalienable: Not subject to being taken away from or given away by the possessor. 

Nobody will choose abortion if ectogenesis is the same price and the same convenience.

This is clearly untrue. Sometimes it is not just pregnancy people don't want, it is children they don't want.

The exact same people who choose abortion now will opt for ectogenesis if it is the same price and the same convenience.

Nobody is bloodthirsty for human embryos.  Take a breath.

If the unwanted zygote, blastocyst, embryo, foetus, or citizen or non-citizen can safely be removed/evicted/deported from the host without damage, it is a perfect win-win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A consistent position would have been:

"A baby is a person, but the sovereignty of the mother is a higher right and as long as the baby and mother are inseparable, the rights of the mother trumps"

If the woman has rights and the fetus has rights, then one necessarily does not have inalienable rights.  

And that is where your position fails.

I see liberals march in the streets demanding the right to kill babies, fight and violate due process of a judge to preserve the ability to kill babies, notice the idiots on this very thread, angered into vulgarism to retain the ability to kill babies. Many people are indeed hungry for the blood of infants.

All of these comments in hightlights are most often by you, not your alledged liberals.  You have a sick-obsession with "kill babies" and "blood of infants" repeated over and over. 

You have not taken yet taken two deep breaths in contemplation of your own words and concepts you keep spouting out as a seeming no end to you blood thirsty statments. Your sick-n-the-head and try to make out others  to be what you cannot see you are.  Sad :--( sick-n-head

Hot air= :--O

Relevant significance = :--@

Blood Thirst Obsession for dead infants/babies = Ethang :--( sick-n-head

To a man, they all insisted that the baby was not a person.

Incorrect.

I have clearly illustrated repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly and repeatedly that EVEN IF you presume that at the very moment the sperm penetrates the ovum, A FULLY INDEPENDENT HUMAN CITIZEN WITH FULL HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE FULL PROTECTION OF THE LAW magically sparks into existence, that individual is, at that moment, an invader in violation of the host woman's sovereign territory and she has every right as sovereign, to either allow the invader to stay in her sovereign territory for any arbitrary time period or to have them deported at will.

If the woman has rights and the fetus has rights, then one necessarily does not have inalienable rights.  

And that is where your position fails.

Nobody will choose abortion if ectogenesis is the same price and the same convenience.

This is clearly untrue. Sometimes it is not just pregnancy people don't want, it is children they don't want.

The exact same people who choose abortion now will opt for ectogenesis if it is the same price and the same convenience.

No sir. Many of those people do not want KIDS, they would still choose abortion.

Nobody is bloodthirsty for human embryos.  Take a breath.

Thank God I can take a breath. I see liberals march in the streets demanding the right to kill babies, fight and violate due process of a judge to preserve the ability to kill babies, notice the idiots on this very thread, angered into vulgarism to retain the ability to kill babies. Many people are indeed hungry for the blood of infants.

If the unwanted zygote, blastocyst, embryo, foetus, or citizen or non-citizen can safely be removed/evicted/deported from the host without damage, it is a perfect win-win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You lost the argument, so a tie now appeals to you.

It isn't a win-win. Much less a perfect one. Your original position was illogical. And this new position suffers the same error. Your argument is illogical because you view the baby as a non-person.

And now that your lack of logic has been exposed, you must dodge the question about whether the baby is a person.

We were not on a mission to solve the problem of abortion, we were debating the logical viability of each others positions. Your position has been found logically lacking.

So running to external wombs does not save your broken argument.

This is a flaw exclusive to views holding that personhood occurs at conception.

You haev yet to understand that Ethang has self-value issues. He wants every fertilized egg to raise their hand and state, 'I am somebody'.

Ethang has obsession with fetus/babie blood lust that, he not only has to constantly repeat his blood thirsty statements he believes the fertilized egg should march on washington with raised hand demanding recognition that, 'we are somebody'.

These type of people are sick-n-head and cannot allow truth into their scenarios ergo their immorality cannot allow truth, that, fertilied egg is not a 'somebody', rather the fertilzed egg is intimate part of pregnant womans body.

Ethang and his need to be Locked Away from civilized moral humanity sooner rather then later. This goes for all Trumpanzees.

Lock Them Away Today!

So, since you already clearly stated that you don't want to "solve the problem of abortion"

I'm really confused....

That's one of the perks of lying.

Everyone agrees and has always agreed that a "baby is a person".

...that blastocyst is an invader within the sovereign territory of the host

....that individual is, at that moment, an invader in violation of the host woman's sovereign territory and she has every right as sovereign, to either allow the invader to stay in her sovereign territory for any arbitrary time period or to have them deported at will.

Oh, ok, you don't want to fix the "abortion problem"?

You haev yet to understand that Ethang has self-value issues. He wants every fertilized egg to raise their hand and state, 'I am somebody'.

Ethang has obsession with fetus/babie blood lust that, he not only has to constantly repeat his blood thirsty statements he believes the fertilized egg should march on washington with raised hand demanding recognition that, 'we are somebody'.

These type of people are sick-n-head and cannot allow truth into their scenarios ergo their immorality cannot allow truth, that, fertilied egg is not a 'somebody', rather the fertilzed egg is intimate part of pregnant womans body.

Ethang and his need to be Locked Away from civilized moral humanity sooner rather then later. This goes for all Trumpanzees.

Lock Them Away Today!

No, my position does not extend rights to the fetus,....

And that is where it fails.

We're just looking at your position on abortion...

Lucid? rofl!

Attacking Ethan personally does nothing to validate your view (whatever it is) or sway Ethan away from his. It is counterproductive to my goals, and I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd not involve me. 

Huhh?  Your confused person.

Ethang is immoral Trumpanzee who should be Locked Away Today! for his attempts to repeatedly violate womens privacy rights regarding there bodies.

He need keep his ____N nose *v* out of womens bodies. Until the skeptical one can grasp this simple morality, he needs to.............

I wonder if he himself understands his loony posts.

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We test them during gestation. Homosexuals and Trans get aborted.