"Well stated?"
That has to be some of the most incoherent nonsense I have personally observed within this forum.
That has to be some of the most incoherent nonsense I have personally observed within this forum.
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@Novice_II
That has to be some of the most incoherent nonsense I have personally observed within this forum.
please be slightly more specific
there is lack of some power in the human and ack of quite security is the cause of the more agreement
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@bmdrocks21
It’s okay to kill things that haven’t breathed for the first time yet
Yes and why would you think otherwise when those things are organism of the pregnant woman, mother to become?
Please try and use rational common sense.
Religious people bad and only think killing bad because they hate women
Patriarchal bible encourages irrational non-sense in many ways to women in general and we see the results as these anti-choice, perverted virtual rapists sticking their noses in to pregnant womans bodily busness without her consent. Please try put aside your ego based blockages to truth and use some rational common sense.
Only religious people can think killing bad
Why do you continually make irrational nons-sense comments like this? It is because you have ego based mental blockage to truth, a truth that shows your type is a perverted virtual rapist with no compassion, empathy, respect of pregnant women. Sick-n-head.
Quite the thesis pro-choicers have, diabolical virtual murderers
Best you stick to what I stated and not repeatedly make irrational comments that lack common sense and not what Ive stated
The places that are talking about banning abortion all together are also talking about if a woman leaves the state to go somewhere else she can be charged with a crime because the fetus belongs to that state. They're saying that if a woman has an abortion and somebody knows about it they turn them in so that person can go to jail and then they get money for it. If that's not some Nazi f****** tactics I don't know what is. To say that you agree with that but you're not a Nazi is a lie.
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@ebuc
Yes and why would you think otherwise when those things are organism of the pregnant woman, mother to become?Please try and use rational common sense.
I think that the common sense is with the side that says not to kill a living being in an act that would be considered the most horrific murder if done a few months later.
Patriarchal bible encourages irrational non-sense in many ways to women in general and we see the results as these anti-choice, perverted virtual rapists sticking their noses in to pregnant womans bodily busness without her consent. Please try put aside your ego based blockages to truth and use some rational common sense.
I have never cited the Bible once for my abortion stances. I don't understand your obsession with trying to tie me to the book. Regardless, even if the book is a mean and "patriarchal" text, that still doesn't mean it is wrong.
Why do you continually make irrational nons-sense comments like this? It is because you have ego based mental blockage to truth, a truth that shows your type is a perverted virtual rapist with no compassion, empathy, respect of pregnant women. Sick-n-head.
Continue showing your type as a sadistic, bloodthirsty, heartless virtual murderer with no compassion, empathy, respect of the unborn
Best you stick to what I stated and not repeatedly make irrational comments that lack common sense and not what Ive stated
You can repeatedly state that you believe in common sense and that what I say is irrational. However, I should inform you that it does little to disguise the fact that you have no thorough understanding of what you believe nor the literary skills to even describe such ideas if you possessed the capabilities to form them. Such a disappointing clump of hollow drivel that I had to sully my eyes with.
Please, if you are going to encourage me to spend my time reading responses, make them worthwhile and thoughtful. Don't waste my time with ad hominem attacks on me or religious texts.
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@Polytheist-Witch
The places that are talking about banning abortion all together are also talking about if a woman leaves the state to go somewhere else she can be charged with a crime because the fetus belongs to that state. They're saying that if a woman has an abortion and somebody knows about it they turn them in so that person can go to jail and then they get money for it. If that's not some Nazi f****** tactics I don't know what is. To say that you agree with that but you're not a Nazi is a lie.
I don't agree with those laws, but I believe it is possible to criticize them without calling people Nazis. I'm sure they aren't members of a 1930s-1940s German National Socialist party if they like those laws.
Discourse on politics has regressed significantly because of the tendency to associate people with maligned groups instead of providing substantive criticisms. It's just lazy.
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@bmdrocks21
I think that the common sense is with the side that says not to kill a living being in an act that would be considered the most horrific murder if done a few months later.
All murder is horrific. Again, you and your perverted virtual rapist friends lack the empathy and compassion for a air breathing pregnant woman and only focus and on the the non-air breathing fetus/baby that is and organism of the pregnant woman. Read my lips/text, the non-breathing fetus/baby is not an organism of you or your perverted virtual rapists friends, ergo, keep your friggin nose out of the pregnant womans body. Your a sick-n-head fundamentlist freak from the friggin dark ages.
I have never cited the Bible once for my abortion stances. I don't understand your obsession with trying to tie me to the book. Regardless, even if the book is a mean and "patriarchal" text, that still doesn't mean it is wrong.
Because that is where all of this moralistically superior attitude stems from. A sperm is a life, and none of you a problem with killing a sperm. Hot water of shower kills sperm. This is not about life, or about a lung breathing born-out baby. This about a pregnant woman and an organism of her body. Get over it already, and stop being a perverted virtual rapist. Simple, except for you ego is in the way, to truth.
Continue showing your type as a sadistic, bloodthirsty, heartless virtual murderer with no compassion, empathy, respect of the unborn
Huh? Blood thirsty. You think your talking to a friggin vampire or something. Dude, your friggin ego likes to imagine a false narrative to preserve you precious ego, that walks in fear of truth. Get over it and get your and your friends noses out of pregnant womans bodily business, you fundamentalist freaks.
You can repeatedly state that you believe in common sense and that what I say is irrational.
Yes, I have and will continue is correct.
However, I should inform you that it does little to disguise the fact that you have no thorough understanding of what you believe nor the literary skills to even describe such ideas if you possessed the capabilities to form them. Such a disappointing clump of hollow drivel that I had to sully my eyes with.
Your the one spouting imaginary false narrative drivel, not me. Your a sick in the head, perverted virtual rapist and your ego fears this truth. For good reason.
Please, if you are going to encourage me to spend my time reading responses, make them worthwhile and thoughtful. Don't waste my time with ad hominem attacks on me or religious texts.
I'm speaking a truth to you, that you dont want to hear. Your and your type are peverted virtual rapist. Which part of that comment does your ego not allow to be taken to heart, understood and comprehend enough that you drop you friggin ego, and act like a truly moral, responsible and moral adult human, that, can keep their friggin nose where it has absolutely no business being stuck, inside a pregnant womans bodily business. You sick freak.
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@ebuc
All murder is horrific. Again, you and your perverted virtual rapist friends lack the empathy and compassion for a air breathing pregnant woman and only focus and on the the non-air breathing fetus/baby that is and organism of the pregnant woman. Read my lips/text, the non-breathing fetus/baby is not an organism of you or your perverted virtual rapists friends, ergo, keep your friggin nose out of the pregnant womans body. Your a sick-n-head fundamentlist freak from the friggin dark ages.
And you listen to me, a baby or a woman? Which has lived less of its life and is worse to abuse and/or murder?
Stop for a second and think.
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@ebuc
All murder is horrific.
That’s what I’ve been saying this entire time but you seem dead set on contradicting this statement
Because that is where all of this moralistically superior attitude stems from.
Can you possibly lack this much self-awareness? Your entire post is nothing but unsubstantiated pontificating. Especially “I'm speaking a truth to you, that you dont want to hear” and calling everyone who disagrees with abortion a ‘virtual rapist’
I’m not going to waste my time responding again. It’s nothing but the same few words that you’ve already said but rearranged. You’ve shown a frightful inability to engage in a coherent conversation.
Liberals love to criticize religion, but I’ve never met any fundamentalist that can be so annoyingly dogmatic as a true believer in your secular cult
Thank you for reinvigorating my skepticism of “one man one vote”
And you listen to me, a baby or a woman? Which has lived less of its life and is worse to abuse and/or murder?Stop for a second and think.
You read my lips/text and Ive been very clear, your a perverted virtual rapist, that, lacks the mental the cability to make the distinctions between:
...1} an organism of the pregnant woman,
...2} that, is not a born-out air/lung breathing, and, an independent ---non-attached to pregnant woman--- human.
When your drop your medieval, dark age fundementlist ways of thinking, and address my commments as presented, with some significant rationale and common sense Rat-man, please share. You nor anyones elses has done that.
Ego based mental blockages to these above truths is all we continually get from you perverted virtual rapist. Sad and sic-n-head and still blocking ebuc, cause you cannot accept the truth when you hear it.
@RM
Guess we’re fundamentalists now, according to a guy from the dark ages of critical thought.
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@bmdrocks21
I mean I don't want to discuss mental health but the fact is based on what I think, Ebuc has much more of a genuine excuse to be this incoherent and volatile than even some other members on this board let alone people IRL (and no, I don't mean more on the left-wing side I mean on both).
If Ebuc can run around these forums calling people 'virtual rapists' and constantly berate them, I can say I forgive Ebuc for being what I presume is moderately schizophrenic and struggling to follow the logic other's present without reverting back to his/her/their inner monologue.
I also understand that abortion is a necessary evil personally, since I'd rather kill a fetus in the first couple of months it is being formed in the womb of a mother that will just not be good for him/her/them (have to add them since we are in a severe LGBT age and English lacks a non-dehumanising pronoun equivalent to 'it'), since the odds are the fucked up foster care system and world at large will hurt it severely even if she doesn't drink and do drugs with him/her/them inside her. It's also important to note that mentally anxious and sad, as well as angry mothers hormonally influence the fetus in the womb to become prone to the said temperament. If you ever noticed one sibling has a very different temperament to another, it's probably due to differences in the mother while pregnant with them more than genetic differences or even raising differences (yes, that's how severely it can effect based on still incomplete research).
It has been nearly irrefutably proven that being very stressed out and anxious as a mother while pregnant will almost definitely make the offspring prone to it but it's hypothesised that all emotions affect, stress/anxiety are just the most blatant.
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@bmdrocks21
They don't like being called something they shouldn't act like one.
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@Danielle
@Greyparrot
Correct, but if you want to codify a constitutional right to bodily autonomy, you also need a constitutional right to the ownership of your fetus.
Codifying the ownership of the fetus is pointless. Assuming personhood, the fetus still wouldn't have a right to use the body of another without consent. Personhood doesn't negate self-ownership of another person.
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@SkepticalOne
Personhood doesn't negate self-ownership of another person.
bingo
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@SkepticalOne
Assuming personhood, the fetus still wouldn't have a right to use the body of another without consent.
The liberty of a mother does not trump a beings right to life.
I don’t think people should be able to do what they want with their own bodies, as that’s an insane idea.
If we allowed this, then people could rape, kill, and steal with no issue. All those things require bodily movement after all, and thus stabbing could be justified by saying “it’s my arm, I can move it in an up and down motion if I want to don’t tell me what to do with my body”.
This is why “my body, my choice” is an utterly absurd premise.
No, you shouldn’t be able to do whatever you want with your body.
Thank goodness for that!
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@Bones
The liberty of a mother does not trump a beings right to life.
My right to life does not trump your bodily autonomy. I under can not commandeer your body ...and neither can the unborn.
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@SkepticalOne
Bodily autonomy is a terrible thing. If people can do what they want with their own bodies then rape and murder are justified. Imagine “I was just doing what I want with my body” as a defense.
The right to life obviously trumps bodily autonomy, as bodily autonomy is a horrible thing to begin with.
Also, the birth of the child is a natural occurrence after conception nobody is forcing it to happen, so the idea of “forced birth” is just an abuse of the English language.
It would be like saying you, me, and everyone in the world are “forcing” the flowers in the forest next to me to grow by not picking those flowers.
Nobody can “force” something to happen that is happening naturally.
Are we “forcing” the tides to move the way they do because we haven’t blown up the moon? Are we forcing the Earth to spin around the Sun because we haven’t created a black hole to stop it?
No, that’s silly, just like it’s silly to say we are “forcing” women to give birth by not killing the unborn in the womb.
Again, you can’t FORCE something to happen that is happening naturally (as my examples show).
The intervention of abortion is the only “forcing” going on (we are forcing the unborn to die to prevent natural birth).
Literally no pro-lifer thinks a woman should be forced to give birth, as such a thing is literally impossible.
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@DebateAllDaTings
You have to be a troll cuz no one would post anything that dumb.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Calling something dumb is an argument.
You would have to be a troll to think it was an argument.
Bodily autonomy by definition is the self-ownership and self-discrimination over one’s own body.
Such a principle is obviously flawed because being able to do what you want with your own body could entail *harming someone else’s body* in the process.
This is exactly why people should only be allowed to do what they want with their own body if they aren’t posing a significant risk to other bodies with moral value.
Since abortion obviously causes harm to the unborn’s body, then it’s valid to question whether or not this should be a right someone should have.
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@DebateAllDaTings
If people can do what they want with their own bodies then rape and murder are justified.
That is a spectacularly absurd misunderstanding of bodily autonomy. Bodily autonomy is a shield against rape/murder not a justification for it.
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@SkepticalOne
Codifying the ownership of the fetus is pointless.
It's the only way to legally define a fetus as your body as opposed to a separate body that is viable outside the womb and did not consent to imprisonment in a womb past the point of viability.
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@Greyparrot
It's the only way to legally define a fetus as your body
There is no legal status the unborn might have which disallows abortion. Whether it is part of a woman's body or a person, the fact is the unborn uses the body of another. There is no personal right to commandeer the body of an unwilling individual.
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@SkepticalOne
Bodily autonomy is used as a justification for killing, as it’s used as a justification for killing the unborn human growing inside the womb.
Bodily autonomy is defined as self-governance and self-determination over one’s own body.
Therefore, if I aimed a gun at a child and was about to pull the trigger and you swatted my arm out of the way without my consent to touch my arm, you would be BY DEFINITION violating my bodily autonomy.
This is why bodily autonomy is an issue, because it can be used as a justification for the same moral atrocities it is supposedly a shield against.…Unless you have a different definition of bodily autonomy I’m not aware of.
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@SkepticalOne
A right to bodily autonomy would be pointless is it were codified that a woman has unconditional ownership of her fetus.
That would mean the state could never have ownership of the fetus under any circumstance and any law attempting to do so would be struck down. Whether it was abortion, food, drugs, or vaccines or anything else pertaining to a woman's fetus.
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@DebateAllDaTings
Bodily autonomy is defined as self-governance and self-determination over one’s own body.By definition then, such a principle could be used to justify murder and rape as I can do what I want with my body according to the bodily autonomy principle.
Without depending on bodily integrity, why would rape or murder be wrong? I mean, if you have no right to control your body, what's wrong with me using it any way I want?
Rights are meant to be a shield protecting our most intimate property. The unborn reside within that jurisdiction. A separate autonomous individual does not. Rape and murder of others are not protected by bodily autonomy....
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@Greyparrot
A right to bodily autonomy would be pointless is it were codified that a woman has unconditional ownership of her fetus.
Sounds like a good reason not to codify fetal slavery. I'm pretty sure people who argue a fetus is part of the woman's body (of which I'm not one) have no interest in such extreme 'solutions'.
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@SkepticalOne
You are ignoring the fact that, in 99% of scenarios, the “mother” is the one who directly actualised the humanity of the fetus. She is the one who caused the fetus to exist, and also ironically the one who advocates for its murder.