Conservatives are not pro 2nd amendment.

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Conservatives: We believe the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.  This is to protect people from tyranny.

Me: Do you support the undocumented arming themselves to defend from tyranny (I.C.E)?

Conservatives: Absolutely not!  The government needs to be tyrannical to the illegal aliens!

Me: You don’t support the 2nd amendment then.  The 2nd amendment isn’t just for conservatives.  It’s also for people you dislike.
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Another dumb take. But who’s surprised lol
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We get it; your a gun grabber.  The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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We get it; your a gun grabber.  The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Sure. I guess you don’t know how background checks work too, considering you can’t do one on someone who doesn’t exist in the system lol.

Also, it’s you’re**
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these background checks don't seem to do so well against people who massacre but don't have a particular record.
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these background checks don't seem to do so well against people who massacre but don't have a particular record.
So you want to abolish background checks? Noice
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Me: Do you support the undocumented ...
Illegal invaders have no constitutional rights.
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Illegal invaders have no constitutional rights.
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Modern America was founded upon illegal invasion.

Modern America illegally invaded Afghanistan and Iraq to name but two.

Illegal invasion shapes the human world.

Why not be honest instead of hypocritical and embrace you illegally invading brothers.
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What does it mean to be pro-second amendment anyways. You don't care about the constitution and the bill of rights. You just wanna blast your guns, right? If one day an amendment comes against your favor, you would be protesting against it, occupying the white house and shit, and not just accepting it because "it is the law". If that is what some of you guys will do, please don't.
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Sure. I guess you don’t know how background checks work too, considering you can’t do one on someone who doesn’t exist in the system lol.
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Searching someone's background so you can tell them whether they are allowed to buy a gun sounds like an infringement to me.

So does telling someone they cannot buy a gun because they went to prison.

So does telling someone they can't buy a gun because of a few social media posts.

Sounds like you're anti second amendment.

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You have the right to hold a petition to change the law because of that. But I agree, basing the law of a supposedly world power with a document more than 200 years old will get outworn soon, in the same way that less and less people believe in the Bible because how old it is. I mean, the Chinese constitution is what? 40 years old?

Not only I support the change of the 2nd amendment, I believe it is inevitable that it will be changed. Even though having guns still works as a system, we don't need them. There is no country in this world that has this many guns per capita, at least not of this scale. With a general populace with an IQ like this who has conspiracy theorists, quasi-fascists and slacking liberals as politicians who represent and run the society, honestly, I don't expect such populace would be well informed enough to use guns properly forever.
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"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Searching someone's background so you can tell them whether they are allowed to buy a gun sounds like an infringement to me.

So does telling someone they cannot buy a gun because they went to prison.

So does telling someone they can't buy a gun because of a few social media posts.

Sounds like you're anti second amendment.
Sounds like you’re pro-second amendment. I’ll take it lol
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Not only I support the change of the 2nd amendment, I believe it is inevitable that it will be changed.
Heavily disagree with this state. You need 38 states to repeal the second amendment. There are 13 states that would never in a million years vote to repeal it. Well unless we let the millions of illegals vote and dilute our own vote 

Alabama
Mississippi
Louisiana
Arkansas 
Kentucky
Tennessee
Wyoming
Idaho
North Dakota
South Dakota
Nebraska
Kansas
Indiana
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Sounds like you’re pro-second amendment. I’ll take it
I never stated my position, I only criticized yours. Not surprising that you pretended I did the former in order to not have to address the latter...
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I never stated my position, I only criticized yours. Not surprising that you pretended I did the former in order to not have to address the latter...
Not surprising for you to call me out for the exact same thing you did lol.

I never said I wanted to abolish background checks, and I doubt OP wants to either. I definitely don’t think guns should be banned like you do though so 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
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What does it mean to be pro-second amendment anyways. You don't care about the constitution and the bill of rights. You just wanna blast your guns, right? If one day an amendment comes against your favor, you would be protesting against it, occupying the white house and shit, and not just accepting it because "it is the law". If that is what some of you guys will do, please don't.
That’s probably what would happen honestly. The 13th Amendment was only passed after the Civil War ended. People were willing to fight for what they considered their “property” and lifestyle. 

But once again, I don’t ever see a situation where there aren’t 13 states to prevent ratification of an amendment that repeals the 2nd Amendment.

I know the CCP is pro-gun grabbing, but that’s not how things work in the United States
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GoFundMe for toddler whose parents were killed in Highland Park raises more than $2 million.
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It is against federal law for a licensed gun dealer to sell firearms without a federal background check. It is illegal for a licensed gun dealer to sell a firearm to a resident or another state, unless the gun laws of both states are the same

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I never said I wanted to abolish background checks
I didn't accuse you of that. Read my post again.

I was pointing out how the 2A advocate argument that owning guns are a constitutional right goes out the window the moment you accept that we should background check someone to make sure they meet the government's qualifications before allowing them the privilege of owning a gun.
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There exists no rights in any of the constitution that does not have exceptions. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
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GoFundMe for toddler whose parents were killed in Highland Park raises more than $2 million.
Definitely wasn't a black baby 🤷‍♂️from Chicago proper.


Rules for thee and not for me world.
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I didn't accuse you of that. Read my post again.

I was pointing out how the 2A advocate argument that owning guns are a constitutional right goes out the window the moment you accept that we should background check someone to make sure they meet the government's qualifications before allowing them the privilege of owning a gun.
Are you claiming all the amendments included in the Bill of Rights are absolute? Because I definitely do not agree with that.

I sure as hell know that you can’t ban all guns though cause that’s absolute.

The OP asked why illegals cannot get guns, and I responded because they can’t pass a background check.
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There exists no rights in any of the constitution that does not have exceptions.
Well according to him, everything besides the right of the government to ban all guns
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Too true.
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There exists no rights in any of the constitution that does not have exceptions.
Great. So since reasonable exceptions are constitutionally valid, what do you guys think of an assault weapons ban?
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Great. So since reasonable exceptions are constitutionally valid, what do you guys think of an assault weapons ban?
Banning guns is unreasonable. Not to mention a vast majority of gun deaths are caused by handguns. If lives matter to you, handguns should be first 
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All weapons are assault weapons.
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All weapons are assault weapons.
There is no definition of assault rifle lol. Liberals are clueless bout guns 
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The Second Amendment only applies to American citizens.