January 6th Hearings

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@ILikePie5
You keep trying to get me to defend the Democrats. I don't defend them, and I condemn them when they do wrong. However, just because the Democrats do bad things that should be completely unacceptable doesn't mean that Trump didn't also do bad things that should be completely unacceptable. The guilt of one does not imply the innocence of the other, and the guilt of both doesn't make either of them any less wrong.
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It seems to me that a lot of the things you assume that I think or that I do or don't condemn are things that you think a stereotypical RINO thinks projected onto me. They don't seem to bear any resemblance to what I actually think.
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Putin has always, consistently appealed to the equivalent of right-wing Fascists
By appeal you mean slaughter like he did Azov Battalion.
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No, I mean appeal like he has done to the far right in Russia from day one.
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There is no equivilent to Azov anywhere in Russia. You must be on drugs.
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One of many articles and documentaries.

Even Conservative Russians do not support citizen gun rights, neither did Hitler's populace.
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Even Conservative Russians do not support citizen gun rights, neither did Hitler's populace.

Lol, banning guns isn't a left or right trait. Interesting article though. I had no idea just how anti-fash Putin actually was. Even if he did allow them to thrive temporarily just to have a reason to kill them all and gain popularity.
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Still haven't voted for Trump once so far, myself,
And I don't consider his actions something in his favor,
I just don't see it as treason, or something to burst into hysterics over, or pretend as though politicians don't frequently act underhanded in politics.
Again, I see it as a 'negative for Trumps character, but if the people and legislature choose to elect him next time, so be it.

Not necessarily all true,
But would anyone have me believe that 'only these few are examples of politics in America, only what I see and hear?

It's the accepted standard of politics, though exceptions exist,
Politicians wheel and deal, make backroom agreements,
Look for technicalities and loopholes,
Appeal to the public, stoking their passions and beliefs.

I 'don't see it as a boon or something I like,
But the Left acts as though Trump is some exceptional dread, as though he's the next Hitler,

'Might be he would, if he easily had the power and context,
But he doesn't and he won't.
Plenty of Democrats would take our guns, force their views into our schools and indoctrinate with their views, imprison people for not respecting transgender athletes or thinking -
Bah, point being, it's not always a matter of what a person is themselves, but what they 'are in conjuncture with the system,
Even I'd likely be a terrible person, if given too much power.
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You clearly didn’t read the transcript. He literally say he’d provide the number of ballots he thought were fraudulent. At the very least Raffensberger could find the 11k out of thousands. 
I read the transcript and listened to the entire call. Here is the one sentence that all off your spin will never change:

"All I want to do is this, I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have"

You can try gaslighting us all day, problem is we understand how English works. "All I want to do" tells us everything we need to know. Trump didn't care about an accurate number, he cared about winning the state and tried to use the power of his office to pull it off. Using the power of your office for your personal gain is the literal definition of corruption. Pretend you don't understand that all you want, it still is.

Trump didn’t tell rioters to storm the Capitol either. They did it of their own volition. 
They literally said they were doing it because Trump told them too. Literally.

And still he’s more popular today than right after J6. How much is it gonna take to get it into your brain that it doesn’t matter.
Whether it matters is an entirely different issue. Let me repeat:

These are entirely different issues. One is the culmination of decades of tension between different ethnic groups within our society. The other was the culmination of months of a president doing everything he can to maintain power despite being voted out of office by the people. Do you understand that?
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Jan 6 commission had zero testimony or information regarding who was responsible for the Capitol having 1/8 the security detail of the Superbowl.
January 6th passes by every election cycle without incident and is hardly even reported on. It's a boring procedural day that no one ever pays attention to. Can you think of something different this time around as to why they would have needed elevated security?
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I did not vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020, do not support Trump's candidacy in 2024 and will not vote for him where and to the extent any acceptable alternative exists.  

I am indifferent to the "hearings" concerning purported events of January 6th:

  • The January 6th hearings are a transparently partisan exercise, specifically oriented for the purpose of preventing Donald Trump's re-election through political theatrics of the same sort as, among other things, the so-called "Russiagage" manufactured scandal.  
  • The January 6th hearings are of the same type as Trey Gowdy's behavior during the Benghazi hearings.  Nothing more is taking place here than a poorly-organized partisan stunt.  However, unlike the Benghazi hearings, aren't even serving their orchestrating party's intended purpose.  Whereas Trey Gowdy functionally kneecapped Hillary Clinton's chances of being elected --- which no one realized until after Trump's election in 2016 --- the Democrats' best case is that this exercise in political theatrics temporarily distracts the American people from the extent of Joe Biden's failures. 
  • If the ratings are any indicator, the January 6th hearings have failed to achieve their intended purpose.  
    • Make no mistake on this point: Trump exercised fantastically poor judgment at numerous turning points, before and during January 6th. 
    • But, the facts do not now, nor have they ever, supported the asinine claims by Trump's political opponents relating to any alleged "insurrection," or incitement thereof. 
    • Moreover, any discussion on the facts is impossible, where the American media have selectively covered those events so as to advance the Democratic Party's political narratives. 










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Another devastating hearing yesterday, this time establishing that Trump wanted the security X ray machines removed so the mob could be armed.

To all the Trump apologists here… do you have any actual thoughts on this yet?
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 do you have any actual thoughts on this yet?
Surely this will solve inflation and save the Democrats from getting blown the fuck out of power in November. Surely.

Another devastating hearing yesterday,
More like another wasted day of devastating hearsay theatre.

With the objectively few people in America caring about this by even the most slanted poll, this kangaroo court has obviously devolved solely into a personal vendetta while the Democrats neglect their duty to improve America from real present problems.

We can stop calling this the "Jan 6 commission" and start calling it more truthfully the "get revenge on Trump commission."
Nobody cares about Trump anymore. 
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Surely this will solve inflation and save the Democrats from getting blown the fuck out of power in November. Surely.

So more whataboutisms. *Yawn*.

Just say no, you really don’t care about democracy. Why the dance?

 
More like another wasted day of devastating hearsay theatre.

You mean another day with another former Trump aid testifying under oath about her personal experience showing how dangerous and deluded the current republican front runner is while you complain about Biden.

Any rational person understands the magnitude and significance of her testimony. Only partisan hacks can convince themselves it doesn’t mean anything.


this kangaroo court

Every person around these events has been invited and even subpoenaed to testify. None of the ones defending Trump on Fox News will tell their story under oath. That should make you think, but it won’t.
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So more whataboutisms. *Yawn*.

Just say no, you really don’t care about democracy. Why the dance?
I care about Democracy when it removes the orangemanbad fanatical cult from political power in November.

Only partisan hacks can convince themselves it doesn’t mean anything.

Hot take on a purely partisan hearing orchestrated by an orangemanbad cult.

Every person around these events has been invited and even subpoenaed to testify.
Including Pelosi? Pressing X to doubt.
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I care about Democracy when...
If your concern is conditional then you don't care about it.

English 101.

Hot take on a purely partisan hearing orchestrated by an orangemanbad cult.
2 of the committee members are republicans who voted with Trump over 90% of the time, and nearly every single person who testified publicly is a republican, a former Trump aid, or both. To call this a purely paisan hearing is just plain stupid, and I think you know that.
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2 of the committee members are republicans who voted with Trump over 90%
None of the committee members voted against impeachment.

Not a partisan theatre? Pressing X to doubt.

2 of the committee members are republicans
Ex- Republicans you mean. They are out of a job too. Hail Democracy!

Trump's approval is higher now than Jan 6 thanks to the partisan theatre.

If you truly cared about Democracy, you would condemn the theatrics that obscures a real issue in your eyes. Pressing X to doubt you actually care though.

Also, if you truly cared about maintaining political power to the orangemanbad cult past November, you would condemn the theatrics and demand genuine bipartisan support, even from people who voted against impeachment. To refuse to do that suggests half of the democratically elected Congress is undermining Democracy somehow or at least does not care about Democracy. 

Most of the country is pressing a big X on that one in November.
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So more whataboutisms. *Yawn*.
Thanks for the dismissive attitude. The majority of Americans are absolutely fed up with the patronizing dismissive Democrats. People have actual problems and wont tolerate the "whatabout Jan6" constant BS. Tuning out and turning up at the polls in Nov thanks to the partisan theatrics.

Whatabout <insert Democrat narrative> gaslighting isn't nearly as strong in 2022 as it was for the Democrats in 2016. They blew it.
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None of the committee members voted against impeachment.
Because Trump was guilty. That's what happens when you care more about reality then your own political future.

Trump's approval is higher now than Jan 6 thanks to the partisan theatre.
You mean thanks to propaganda. This is the result of a 24/7 network that gets to call themselves news while their prime time anchors are literally appearing on stage with the president and texting the game plan back and forth with his chief of staff and press secretary. It turns out the masses are as easy to manipulate as in the movies.

if you truly cared about maintaining political power to the orangemanbad cult past November, you would condemn the theatrics and demand genuine bipartisan support, even from people who voted against impeachment. To refuse to do that suggests half of the democratically elected Congress is undermining Democracy somehow or at least does not care about Democracy. 
There is no such thing as genuine bipartisan support on this. What Trump has taught the republican party that the base does not give a rats ass about policy. This is a party about grievances, mostly white. You no longer need to worry about legislative accomplishments, as long as you can show that you stand with Trump and against the evil libs, you will have a seat at the table. That is all that matters, which is why two of the most conservative members of Congress will probably never serve again.

This whole thing is a game. Republicans pretend that what we all saw with our own eyes didn't actually happen, then refuse to take any part in the investigation of it, then blame democrats for said investigation being partisan. It's the stupidest playbook, but yet it works.

What is love to know from you is, why? Why do you let these people manipulate you like this? The playbook couldn't be any more obvious, there's no way you just don't see it.
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Thanks for the dismissive attitude. The majority of Americans are absolutely fed up with the patronizing dismissive Democrats.
Whataboutisms deserve to be dismissed.

You jumped into a thread about January 6th to talk about inflation. What response other than dismissiveness were you seriously expecting?

It never ceases to amaze me how the right wing of America cares more about how the voters on the other side talk about them than the actual policies impacting all of our lives. The childishness is really unbelievable.
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Whataboutisms deserve to be dismissed.
Like Jan6? I agree. We can dismiss that political narrative as proof of a functional democracy in November.

 the actual policies impacting all of our lives.
It sure as fuck aint Jan 6.

The childishness is really unbelievable.
Voters are rejecting the party of patronizing indifference. Go find a new sandbox to destroy.
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That's what happens when you care more about reality narratives then your own political future.
Great, so they can be happy when they lose power, and maybe you will be happy too.

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This is a party about grievances, mostly white.
Inflation doesn't care about your skin color.
It's possible if Biden appointed competent people to his cabinet instead of pretending to only care about the merits of melanin, aggrieved Americans of all skin colors wouldn't be nearly as pissed at him.

You no longer need to worry about legislative accomplishments, as long as you can show that you stand with Trump and against the evil libs, you will have a seat at the table.
None of the laws have made life better for any American, Democrat or Republican.

That is all that matters, which is why two of the most conservative members of Congress will probably never serve again.
If that's what passes for Republican, then I welcome the new fellow Libertarians to fill the void.



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Trump's approval is higher now than Jan 6 thanks to the partisan theatre.

Yeah, 60 million made the error of voting for this narrcistic, pyscho who should have been put in jail long time before presidency,  during presidency certainly after presidency ergo his 60 million vote popularity speaks as much to the poor quality of USA citizen as it does anything else.

Popularity dont mean a hill beans of your indecent person from the get go.

We have some sad sadistic people republican part and backing them. sic n head types.
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Some Democrats too are sic n head for dumping Biden.
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Most republicans are perverted virtual rapist, along with Trumpet. Old news.

If you hate Trumpet, then your not one the 60 million or so who voted for the narracisitic pycho.

Jan 6 is just further evidence of pycho's  in USA chomping at the bits to do violance onto whomever they chose as soon as they get the oppurtunity.
 
Sic-n-head is what majaoriyt of republican partys is. Trtuth is why Liz Cheney is on way out. Republicans dispise truth more than they dispsise........



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Liz Cheney supports abortion bans, she is sic n head.
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Abortion should be banned from the moment of conception. Otherwise we appear to remain a society that has regressed in morality subsequent to the uphill climb from the age of slavery.
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re. "sic in the head"
  • One ought to bear in mind that ebuc is a troll however. 

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Liz Cheney supports abortion bans, she is sic n head.

Yes, but of course.  Maybe you can not read my lips/text. I'm very clear. We have at least 60 million perverted virtual rapist in USA. Old news and is anyone really surprised? Just recall the nuts sadistic nuts on Jan 6th an you can see the end of humanity is not to around-the-corners ahead. 2232 approx.