Something that I don't understand

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@Intelligence_06
I will not allow you to defame my motherland and my people and myself like this. I think for myself and I think my nation and my people are good. 
The CCP really has you brainwashed. Did you know the government of a country can suck, while it's people are great people? 

This is not a forced opinion. It is my own opinion. If you think "aligning with the government" and "thinking for oneself" is mutually exclusive, then good luck being an anarchist. 

I am not an anarchist. For example I disagree with American governments genocide of native Americans, while I agree with the current liberal values of the nation as a whole.

Which current CCP genocide do you disagree with since you have independent thought?
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Look at my exchange with intelligence please. This guy is literally saying that his values align with the CCPs. Which technically means he hates China because the CCP is anti china, which is why they revolted against the rightful representatives of that country. 

But do you think his words are robotic and lifeless? Like they are almost forced
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That’s it. I am done. Hope you book a flight to China in the future and take off your vantablack glasses.
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@Intelligence_06
They literally hire people to stalk Americans. I have seen live streamers who live in China and a lot of times you can actually catch the undercover CCP officer in the background of multiple cameras. They are trained to stay out of the victims site, which is often behind the victim in cameras.

I wouldn't feel safe going. 
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However in America we have freedom. You are safe here and in fact welcome
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@PREZ-HILTON
Judging from what you are saying, America isn't "safe" either for you.

If you think I will keep staying in a so-called "authoritarian hell" or something just leave me be. You are free to think that America is better and I am free to think too.
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while even the poorest Americans have a full belly, a television, internet and cable
What I see is 2-way BS.
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@TheUnderdog
Why do most people I come across either agree with the left on all of these issues or agree with the right on all these issues?  Why are there few people that look at each issue individually?  Is it because people are partisan hacks?
most people don't even know what the (constantly evolving) "100% official party-line" is on "all issues" and merely cherry-pick one or two items that seem "important" to them personally when "choosing" one of the two "major" sides

that's just one reason i encourage people to take the "political compass" test, to see if what they think they agree with actually matches the platform they think they "mostly" agree with 


for example, obama, biden, trump, bush are ALL in the top right quad [**]
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The right thinks you should not be allowed to fire someone for being unvaccinated. 
technically, each individual's medical status should be protected by medical privacy
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@TheUnderdog
It's because not everything has to be broken down into logical principles that you must subscribe to at all times.

The left and right assign value to specific ideas, irrespective of being "hypocritical". The left values buggary so of course they would be against people firing someone for that behavior, while they also value vaccines, so they would be ok with firing anti-vaxxers.

The problem with you and Libertarianism is that it is way too linear. There's no nuance that takes in a multitude of economic and social factors. You guys subscribe to a broad range of civic principles that actually have no effect on what people really care about. People actually care about their lives, family, nation, etc., and not your civic principles. And because the left and right don't subscribe to the Constitution, or "free market capitalism", it will be infinitely more appealing than libertarianism. The Right subscribes to Christianity, which provides a blueprint for society instead of providing a broad range of principles. The Left subscribes to progressivism.

This concept is hard to understand, but I hope you get it. Because the American right subscribes to these broad range of "principles" instead of caring for what actually matters, they have taken every loss in the past 60 years to the left.
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I didn't say America is better as the country. 

China is greater. That is why the CCP hate China and why xi Jinping hates China. If you loved China you would oppose the CCP
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Why do you hate China and your ancestors who opposed the maoist revolution because they knew it would destroy their heritage?
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If you loved China you would oppose the CCP
please explain what you mean by "china"
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However in America we have freedom. You are safe here and in fact welcome
The top 10 safest countries in the world are as follows:

  1. Iceland
  2. New Zealand
  3. Portugal
  4. Austria
  5. Denmark
  6. Canada
  7. Singapore
  8. Czech Republic
  9. Japan
  10. Switzerland
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Like how things were with the Qing dynasty and their tradition of honor the people had. A government particularly one that illegally siezed power is not "the country" and the CCP is in fact an occupying force. Hopefully America liberates the Chinese one day
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@3RU7AL
Is your claim only the top 10 safest countries on that list are safe? 

My claim is merely that America is safe, particularly in the context of political disagreements. My counter claim is that China is unsafe. Your chart seems to be off topic
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A government particularly one that illegally siezed power 
is there even a single country on earth that was not at some point conquered ?
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@3RU7AL
What are you even trying to argue with me about? Would you like to debate my initial claim that the Chinese Communist party is an oppressive regime?
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america and china have roughly the same safety ranking
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What are you even trying to argue with me about? Would you like to debate my initial claim that the Chinese Communist party is an oppressive regime?
america and europe are eager to imitate chinese policy
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Data from an industry report revealed that the most dangerous countries for journalists in the last five years were Mexico and Afghanistan, with 47 journalists killed in each country respectively from 2016 to 2021. Working in Syria also carried considerable risk for journalists during that time period with 42 journalists killed there. [**]
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@TheUnderdog
There are 4 following issues in my head:
Like Arthur Spooner from King of Queens, don't lock yourself in by announcing numbers beforehand.

1) Believe women (which I agree with the right on).
Why would you take sides with any political party's thoughts on a meme?

2) Death penalty (which I agree with the left on)
And yet, not one left-leaning adminstration has done anything about it, federally.

3) The Ukraine war (which I side with the right on)
Which is?

4) The Iraq war (which I side with the left on)
And, yet it took more than two years from a left-leaning president to make a show of removing forces from Iraq.

5) Firing someone for being gay/trans (which I side with the left on)
Firing should be at the sole discretion of an employer or his/her proxy.

6) Firing someone for being unvaccinated (which I side with the right on)
Firing should be at the sole discretion of an employer or his/her proxy.

Why do most people I come across either agree with the left on all of these issues or agree with the right on all these issues? 
Because they ideologues without principle?

Why are there few people that look at each issue individually? 
Don't allow the mainstream media to convince you of that which is "few" and "most."

Is it because people are partisan hacks?
Some are.


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The fact that the left chose the more problematic slogan suggests that they really don't believe that accused men deserve the presumption of innocence.
Exactly. They're buzz words that exploit insecurity.

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@3RU7AL
technically, each individual's medical status should be protected by medical privacy
Would you say that sexual orientation is also medical privacy?  Would you say transgender status is also a protected identity?  Transgenders want to hide the fact they are trans, unless at protests (the unvaccinated have no problem showing off their status at protests.). If an unvaccinated person outed themselves, the right still wouldn’t want them fired.  Would you apply that same treatment to transgenders?  If the left backed equality for the unvaccinated and the right backed discipline with vaccine mandates (and cited biblical verses to justify this), would you change your opinion with the parties?  I think most people would, and it’s why most people are partisan hacks.
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Why would you take sides with any political party's thoughts on a meme?
The left supports believe women, many leftists I met agree.  Prosecute the accused rapist without evidence because it reduces the rape rate and evidence is hard to get.  I disagree, but most leftists only back this position because it is a left wing position.  If the right backed it first (which they might have because they are tough on crime), the left would denounce it just because it’s a right wing idea.  Form your opinions independent of what your parties say.
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And yet, not one left-leaning adminstration has done anything about it, federally.
It’s not on their radar.  But many left states abolished the death penalty.

Which is?
Oppose the war; America first.
And, yet it took more than two years from a left-leaning president to make a show of removing forces from Iraq.
It takes time.

I’m glad your consistent on firing issues even if we disagree.

Because they ideologues without principle?
Yes, and they make up the majority of Americans with few exceptions.


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The left supports believe women, many leftists I met agree.  Prosecute the accused rapist without evidence because it reduces the rape rate and evidence is hard to get.  
This has been happening for decades before the "Believe Women" slogan--though I'm not too sure on the veracity of "prosecute without evidence." It's more so a "preponderance of evidence."

It’s not on their radar.
That does not bode well.

But many left states abolished the death penalty.
I suppose.

Oppose the war; America first.
I'm confused. Does the left support the Russia-Ukraine conflict, or are you talking about interference into the Russia-Ukraine conflict?

It takes time.
Why, in your opinion, did it take the amount of time that it did?

I’m glad your consistent on firing issues even if we disagree.
Thank you.

Yes, and they make up the majority of Americans with few exceptions.
"Majority" is subject to sample bias.
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Would you say that sexual orientation is also medical privacy?  
whether you prefer blondes or brunettes is not a medical emergency

Would you say transgender status is also a protected identity?  
honestly, i can't figure out why the state ever needs to know and or keep records of what i look like nekid

Transgenders want to hide the fact they are trans, unless at protests (the unvaccinated have no problem showing off their status at protests.).
they wouldn't be protesting if everyone just took them at their own word, it's extremely difficult to understand how it's anyone's business what clothes someone chooses to wear and what name they want to be called

If an unvaccinated person outed themselves, the right still wouldn’t want them fired.
in the same way the left doesn't want someone fired because they have aids

Would you apply that same treatment to transgenders?  If the left backed equality for the unvaccinated and the right backed discipline with vaccine mandates (and cited biblical verses to justify this), would you change your opinion with the parties?  I think most people would, and it’s why most people are partisan hacks.
uh, no
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I don't know who MTG is, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Israelis had a secret weapon in orbit with lasers. 
I know it wouldn't.

Marjorie Taylor Greene. And since she said it, this must be the political right's position