AP FACT CHECK: NRA SPEAKERS DISTORT GUN and CRIME STATISTICS

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Must believe. Follow them. Everything they say must be right 
Your words, not mine.  Blind Trust is right-wing trait.

You asked who fact checks the AP and I responded thousands of media organizations across the political spectrum.



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Must believe. Follow them. Everything they say must be right 

You know the the the...the thing!
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READERS will note that Novice has deceptively evaded the following arguments:/
  • Nothing has been evaded. 
    • You appear to have admitted that all my arguments were true, and have dropped your defenses. 
    • As I said. you have no argument. You bit off more than you can chew because as it seems, you took a massive burden in arguing against a fact. You are the conspiracy theorist here. You are saying these major news networks and even Antifa themselves are all lying. 
    • I will however give you this opportunity:
  • Which were worse, the BLM protests/riots or the January 6th capital protests/riots? [@Oromagi]                       
  • https://www.debateart.com/debates/3450-which-was-worse-the-blm-protests-riots-or-the-january-6th-capital-protests-riots-atoromagi
  • Here you can either debate me, or continue to embarrass yourself. You made a massive error in arguing Antifa was not at all involved in the protests. 
  • I proved you wrong, and you conceded it. Frankly, anything other than that is irrelevant. You admitted to it yourself. 

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 as a not-for-profit news cooperative

Not-for-profit sounds like government supported. One hand washing the other as usual.

An especially dangerous threat to liberty occurs when members of the press collude with government agencies instead of monitoring and exposing the abuses of those agencies. Unfortunately, collusion is an all‐too‐common pattern in press coverage of the national security state’s activities. The American people then receive official propaganda disguised as honest reporting and analysis.
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This is my new account by the way. I will just have my old one inactivated. 
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Do you prefer Trump or DeSantis? 
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ENCYCLOPEDIA:  AP is neither privately owned nor government-funded;

GREYPARROT (without evidence) :   sounds like government supported

ENCYCLOPEDIA: A Tomato is not a vegetable but an edible berry

GREYPARROT (without evidence):  must be a vegetable, then
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The abundance of easily obtainable e‑mail exchanges with reporters from the Associated Press, Washington Post, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and other major outlets indicate that very close professional (and sometimes personal) relationships seem to exist between journalists and the CIA. Silverstein focused much of his attention on the behavior of Ken Dilanian, a national security reporter for the Los Angeles Times who later joined the Associated Press, and still later, NBC News. His relationship with the CIA certainly raised some troubling questions. Silverstein charged that numerous e‑mails “show that Dilanian enjoyed a closely collaborative relationship with the agency, explicitly promising positive news coverage and sometimes sending the press office entire story drafts for review prior to publication. In at least one instance, the CIA’s reaction appears to have led to significant changes in the story that was eventually published in the Times.” Clearing stories in advance and currying official cooperation and approval automatically compromises the integrity of the journalist’s handiwork.

One of the CIA’s long‐standing, favorite tactics is to generate favorable, including outright bogus, news stories in foreign media outlets, with the expectation that American outlets will eventually pick them up. There is no question that the U.S. government still recruits foreign journalists for propaganda missions in their home countries. For example, the United States and Britain have mounted an extensive joint propaganda effort regarding the Syrian civil war using an array of Middle Eastern reporters and columnists. Among other possible effects, one must ponder how many of those orchestrated “news” stories found their way back into American media, impacting the narrative and domestic debate about the Syrian civil war and what Washington’s stance should be toward that conflict. The potential “blowback” phenomenon is a worrisome example of how the intelligence agencies can manipulate the debate on a foreign policy issue in the United States.

It is unsettling how often most mainstream media outlets advance the agenda of the narrative put forth by the CIA and other portions of the national security state. Most of the press circulated the narrative that the CIA‐orchestrated coups in Iran and Guatemala in the 1950s were spontaneous democratic uprisings. More recently, the news media disseminated allegations that Saddam Hussein had a vast arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. Nearly all that information came from Iraqi exiles that the CIA supplied to “friendly” journalists, including New York Times reporter Judith Miller. Perhaps most striking, major media outlets, especially the Washington Post, the New York Times, CNN and MSNBC, have avidly joined the national security state’s campaign to demonize Russia. Those media heavyweights enthusiastically promoted the false narrative about collusion between Donald Trump’s campaign and the Russian government to influence the 2016 presidential election. Even worse, they parroted the CIA’s unsupported, far‐fetched allegation that Moscow had paid the Taliban bounties to kill American soldiers.

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Do you prefer Trump or DeSantis? 
Trump.
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Just because the encyclopedia says it, it has to be true!!
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Wikipedia itself states it is not a reliable source, yet it is the go-to source for every mouth breather.
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THE FACTS: This claim overlooks the fact that Uvalde had doubled its school-security budget and spent years upgrading the protections for schoolchildren. None of that stopped the gunman who killed 19 pupils and two teachers.
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and install bulletproof doors.
no doors were harmed in the shooting-spree
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TEXAS COPS ADVISE PUBLIC that TOP REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS  are LYING about UVALDE MASS MURDER

For Immediate Release 
May 31, 2022
Austin TX At this time, The Combined Law Enforcement Associations of Texas, or CLEAT, is advising our members to cooperate fully with all official governmental investigations into actions relating to the law enforcement response to the Uvalde mass shooting. Our President, Executive Director, staff attorneys, and union field representatives have been in communication with officers in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy.
Out of respect for the investigative process, the grieving families, and law enforcement as a whole, we have refrained from commenting on specifics related to the massacre of school children in Uvalde, Texas. We share in the collective and powerful oscillating feelings of absolute grief, horror, sympathy, frustration, and outrage over the loss of so many promising, beautiful lives, the loss of innocence of the survivors, and the lack of solid answers, some of which will never seem satisfactory and others we may never have.
There has been a great deal of false and misleading information in the aftermath of this tragedy. Some of the information came from the very highest levels of government and law enforcement. Sources that Texans once saw as iron-clad and completely reliable have now been proven false. This false information has exacerbated ill-informed speculation which has, in turn, created a hotbed of unreliability when it comes to finding the truth. The truth we all can trust. For this reason, we believe that a strong, independent investigation by the U. S. Department of Justice with assistance from the FBI will discover what really happened, thus helping agencies everywhere to understand how best to stop a similar compounded tragedy from happening again.
As a law enforcement organization, we stand behind those professionals who put an end to the assault on Robb Elementary. Without the officers who breached the door and took out the murderer, this already devastating event would have lasted longer and more children would have been lost. We would also like to acknowledge those who are assisting on the ground in Uvalde to help the community heal and those who have increased presence at schools and institutions nationwide. We thank you for taking your role in the protection of your communities seriously, with an honor and dedication befitting the badge.
Last legislative session, we testified in committee about the disparity in training across the State of Texas. While our large cities and urban counties have ample resources and state-of-the-art training, our rural areas suffer. Officers and Deputies are vetted, hired, and trained by political subdivisions and they perform to the level of their training. Training IS confidence. Law enforcement agencies in Texas are para-military and operate in a chain-of-command structure. We are committed to our rank and file members in Uvalde and committed to ensuring all officers who wear the badge are provided with ALL tools and training required to carry out the most dangerous of missions.
Officers swear an oath to protect and serve in a para-military setting where they, as individuals, do not get to make the final decisions. As we continue to wait for the remaining facts on scene to be revealed, we already know that we need more proper funding for fusion centers, more officers conducting threat assessments, a permanent renewal of the heavy, rifle resistant vests, and active cooperation of the federal government. We share a unique connection with the public in pushing for the strongest, best trained, and highly qualified force of law enforcement professionals.

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