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• If only we had a more dedicated response to other significantly worse atrocities and actions of domestic terrorism such as the Black Lives Matter and Antifa riots during the pandemic, especially in areas like Portland, Oregon. 
  
• We should have taken a larger and more focused role in arresting many of these rogue barbaric animals
  

false claims of impending antifa activity...

• Antifa was undoubtedly involved in many of the BLM riots, and nothing you have presented even counters this idea, so I don't see the purpose of even posting it. One can easily observe this and it is quite uncontroversial to say so, so I assume you are either misguided, or you just don't know the facts. Thankfully, many of these ruthless animals of the radical left are being arrested. As the New York Times reports: 
  
1. More than two dozen suspected Antifa rioters have been charged in Portland in the past two weeks, signaling an escalation by both local and federal prosecutors following a full year of riots in the besieged Oregon city.
   On Thursday, the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office announced charges against 10 suspects following several grand jury indictments.
   Maximilian Ryan Jennings, 23, James Walker Prettyman, 25, and Thomas Moll-Rocek, 34, are charged with one count each of felony riot, felony first-degree criminal mischief and second-degree criminal mischief.
   The three were indicted over accusations they were part of a black-clad mob that broke most of the windows on the Multnomah County Democrats’ headquarters on Nov. 8, 2020. At the time, Antifa accounts on social media promoted the “direct action” to oppose the presidential election.
• Simply one piece of evidence is sufficient to disprove your implication that these radical street thugs are simply innocent little boys and girls.

• Simply one piece of evidence is sufficient to disprove your implication that these radical street thugs are simply innocent little boys and girls.
  

During the George Floyd protests but your one example was not a George Floyd protest at all. 

• Moving the goalposts, essentially an admission that I was right.
  
• Based on this message you have directly admitted that antifa was involved in riots during the pandemic. 
  
• As I stated of course: "Atrocities and actions of domestic terrorism such as the Black Lives Matter and Antifa riots during the pandemic, especially in areas like Portland, Oregon" 
  
• You have essentially conceded to me. There is nothing left to argue on. Wow. As I recall, these street thugs were in fact involved in riots during the pandemic:"More than two dozen suspected Antifa rioters have been charged in Portland in the past two weeks, signaling an escalation by both local and federal prosecutors following a full year of riots in the besieged Oregon city."  
  

Also, you claimed you were citing the New York Times, the paper of record, when you were in fact citing the New York Post, as sensational FOX News tabloid...

• Well it seems I have made an extremely minor mistake with "post," and "times." No issue there. The rest is an extension of the Genetic fallacy. What specifically in the extremely honest and factual report on the prosecution of these street thugs do you disagree with. I suspect the answer will simply be obfuscation (I don't think you have anything to say after an implicit admission) but"facts don't care about your feelings" as the phrase goes. 
  

 It seems likely that everything you think you understand about Antifa has been constructed for you by FOX News and QAnon to make you feel frightened.  Making you feel frightened is simply how the right operates.

• While Fox news is entirely irrelevant to this, if Fox has simply reported that Antifa as we have experinced it is a radical gang of street thugs that cause harm to  people and communities, then sure, thats reasonable. I don't watch Fox so I just don't know. 
  
• QAnon is irrelevant to this. I have made a basic factual claim that you have yourself admitted. Your statements are simply immaterial. 
  
• I am not scared of Antifa or BLM barbarrric animals. Thankfully I don't live in an area they operate heavily. I think it's better to just remain confident in the police and law enforcement to deal with them.
  
• So far, you have admitted to me being correct, so I assume that invalidates your entire write up. Not surprised that you have simply jumped to the most trending talking points. 
  

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So who’s fact checking AP? 

Moving the goalposts, essentially an admission that I was right.

• Well it seems I have made an extremely minor mistake with "post," and "times."
  

While Fox news is entirely irrelevant to this,

QAnon is irrelevant to this.

"DROPPED ARGUMENTS"

• Nothing has been dropped so I shall ignore such a silly tangent
  

And then cited the NY Post as evidence.

In fact, FOX, QANon, and Russia are the three main distribution nodes for the Antifa disinformation you believe.

• I think most sensible people who know basic facts can observe the dangerous actions of BLM animals and Antifa thugs. 
  
• Even if QA non asserts this, although they are irrelevant, this is an incredibly reasonable position to hold and is beneficial to our nation, our schools, our communities and people.  BLM rioters and Antifa rioters are quite close to terrorists. Anyone should recognize this. 
  

You said "Antifa was undoubtedly involved in many of the BLM riots"

• Oh? Interesting. I did not even feel the need to provide anything for this seeing at it is essentially a fact. Seeing as you have conceded to my previous claim, I see no issue with entertaining the doubt. 
  
• Here is clear documentation of Antifa's wild savages calling for violence.
  
• An antifa activist group disseminated a message in a Telegram channel on Saturday that encouraged people to consider Minnesota National Guard troops “easy targets,” two Defense Department officials said. The message encouraged activists to steal “kit,” meaning the weapons and body armor used by the soldiers. The officials were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity [1]. 
  
• Here are more Antifa terrorists openly admitting to organizing and using violence during the Portland George Floyd protest turmoil 
  
• Rose City Antifa is one of the nation's oldest active antifa groups. Members rarely give interviews, but two who say they are part of antifa agreed to speak to "Nightline" as the situation in their city of Portland, Oregon, has become a prolonged and destructive stalemate.
  Rose City Antifa members "Milo" and "Ace" use pseudonyms and they asked that their faces and voices be obscured for this report.
  "The use of violence is a tactic of how we keep our communities safe," Milo said. [2].
• ABC further states:
  
• Much of the blame for the chaos, property damage and violence over the last year have landed on the self-described anti-racist, anti-facist far left organizers. The black-clad coterie entrenched in the city's protest movement now find themselves in a tense showdown with city officials [2]. 
  
• As it seems, not only was Antifa extremely prominent during these riots, they also openly admit to it and call for violence against police. Given that one pf the most credible news sources in the world asserts this, it appears to be a matter of fact. 
  
• Lastly, from the Washington Post:
  
• Antifa’s presence contributed significantly to protest violence
  When antifa did attend protests, the incidence of violence was extremely high compared to the level at protests it did not attend. Of the 37 racial justice protests where antifa appeared, 11 — or 30 percent — involved injuries to the crowd; when antifa did not appear, only 2 percent of the protests involved crowd injuries. With antifa present, 14 percent of protests involved injuries to police; without antifa, only 2 percent did. When antifa showed up, 27 percent of protests involved property damage; without antifa, only 4 percent did. And when antifa appeared, 30 percent of protests involved arrests, while only 7 percent of the antifa-free protests did. In other words, Antifa appearances at racial justice protests greatly increased the risk of violence [3]. 
  

1. apnews.com/article/violence-social-media-ny-state-wire-new-york-virus-outbreak-32bc90566697388645f01675359dcad1
   
2. abcnews.go.com/US/year-protests-portland-residents-waning-patience-antifa/story?id=77511470
   
3. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/08/antifa-blm-extremism-violence/
   

Nothing has been dropped so I shall ignore such a silly tangent

I think most sensible people...

QANon....is beneficial to our nation, our schools, our communities and people. 

BLM rioters and Antifa rioters are quite close to terrorists.

I did not even feel the need to provide anything for this seeing at it is essentially a fact.

Here is clear documentation of Antifa's wild savages calling for violence.An antifa activist group disseminated a message in a Telegram channel on Saturday that encouraged people to consider Minnesota National Guard troops “easy targets,” two Defense Department officials said. The message encouraged activists to steal “kit,” meaning the weapons and body armor used by the soldiers. The officials were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity .

• Anonymous threats that came to nothing is not really evidence for terrorism, is it?  Every high school in American fields a couple of similar empty threats a year- is that all  much worse than a Right-wing coup in your estimation?
  

Here are more Antifa terrorists openly admitting to organizing and using violence

Much of the blame for the chaos, property damage and violence over the last year have landed on the self-described anti-racist, anti-facist far left

Lastly, from the Washington Post:

READERS will note that Novice has deceptively evaded the following arguments:

• Nothing has been evaded. 
  

Let's recall your original assertion was: "other significantly worse [than Jan 6th] atrocities and actions of domestic terrorism such as the Black Lives Matter and Antifa."

• Yeah absolutely. The BLM riots were worse than the Jan 6 riots. 
  

Your feelings are not evidence.

But that's a different attribution than Antifa.  If we are counting every anti-Fascist as Antifa than most loyal Americans are Antifa by that definition.

• Semantics. Seriously are you this desperate? Anti fascist is Antifa in clear reference. It appears you concede that one of the world's most reliable news sources openly states that significant levels of damage are attributed to them. 
  

QAnon?

• Weird. You deliberately cut what I said in a certain way to make it seem as if I said QAnon is beneficial to society. Are you truly this desperate to cling onto anything after having admitted everything I said is true? 
  
• Regardless, I think its beneficial to society, communities, schools, and children to recognize that BLM and ANtifa rioters are thugs and barbaric animals that should be in prison, absolutely. In the same way people should recognize that armbed robbers and gangsters are bad. 
  

Anonymous is not "openly."  Rumours of violence is not documentation of violence although Rose City Antifa does state that endorse the use of violence in response to right wing violence and only in response to right wing violence.

• Sure it is. It is an anonymous interview where an Antifa member openly says, yes we used violence and feel justified in doing so? It is hard to be more open than this. 
  

• You have simply bitten off more than you could chew with this one.
  
• Perhaps this is your ego, or perhaps you just don't know the information, but you have admitted to all of my claims. This means
  
• You admitted Antifa was involved in riots during the pandemic. 
  
• You admitted Antifa was involved in the BLM riots, documented by one of the most reliable news sources in the world. 
  
• You drop/concede that a source you call reliable has shown that antifa makes virtually every incident they are involved in more violent and dangerous.
  
• As it stands now, you previously argued that Antifa had no involvement. You have conceded this. 
  
• Having lost your entire case, we can get to you moving the goalpots to domestic terrorism.
  
• The FBI defines it as: 
  

Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

• Antifa has committed violent criminal acts in the form of protesting violence
  
• They do this based on political ideological goals. 
  
• This unquestioanbly fits the crteria for domestic terrorism 
  

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