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@Greyparrot
They won't. Stop and frisk is illegal.
No it isn't.
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@thett3
Well it is about mental health because mentally healthy people don’t do this.
We'd like to think so. But the evidence doesn't exactly bear that out.
The essential problem with so-called gun control regulation is that, counterintuitively, such policies do not control guns. These policies control people, only in cohorts inclined to follow the law (however idiotic or ill advised the law may be). Among cohorts not so inclined, these policies have no effect whatsoever.
Much to the dismay of law-makers, criminals remain uninhibited in their criminality.
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@dylancatlow
The argument would “prove too much”, and does imply an “infringement” under any reasonable interpretation of the English language
Does the government arresting someone for making a bomb threat constitute an infringement on ones right to free speech? YES or NO?
I agree that some of the republican talking points that come up after every mass shooting are bad, but they don’t even need them. They have enough as it is.
Can you provide just one? Cause I sure don't know of any...
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@Swagnarok
If it boiled down to it, you could kill a bunch of high schoolers piecemeal, one-on-one at night with a knife or something. Serial killer style. You could take out as many as most of these guys in America manage to do.
Then please enlighten us as to why every mass murderer uses a gun
Heck, we wouldn't even have to arm the teachers. Just make it legal for them to concealed-carry on school grounds. The likelihood of you knowing for sure that none of the personnel are armed is slim. If just one was, and if that one person intervened, that'd be it for you.
This completely ignores reality and common sense. Uvalde had armed guards on site who engaged with the shooter, that failed. Parkland had armed officers on duty, that failed as well. We have very few examples of mass shooters being stopped by the "good guy with a gun", and if the mass shooter is armed with an assault weapon they have a clear advantage.
It ignores common sense because the overwhelming majority of these shooters are suicidal, so to argue that the threat of being shot would deter them is absurd. This is not the solution you claim.
I'm not arguing it would not be better in that situation for a few teachers to be armed, I am saying it's a silly talking point to put forward as a solution for this because of the reasons I just mentioned and because it seeks to turn our schools into military bases instead of just looking at the situation and realizing that the guns are the problem.
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@Double_R
Then please enlighten us as to why every mass murderer uses a gun
911 didn't use guns.
It's really not. Policy making with emotion instead of letting emotions settle makes for bad policy. You're actually conflating looking for and solving problems with responding emotionally immediately following a tragedy.
This isn't policy making based on emotion. We've seen this a hundred times already, both sides know exactly where they stand.
Part of the problem is that a lot of these liberal politicians literally want more kids to die so they can continue to pass guns laws. It's actually really sick.
The reason those of us on the left want gun laws is to prevent tragedies like this, so claiming we want the tragedies in order to pass the laws isn't just backwards, it's asinine.
And statistics do not prove your point, if they did we would not be having this conversation.
Honestly it's not effective at preventing mass casualty events. It may reduce mass casualty events by gun. There are still ways to commit mass casualty events and if people don't use a gun it can be even more effective.For example1. You could poison a bunch of food in places like 7-11s they put hotdogs on a roller easy to access, and...
Is this a joke?
No seriously, are you being serious?
Without a gun they would resort to the above.
And yet they don't do this anywhere in the world, ever. If you are being serious please drop this argument, it is the most cartoonishly stupid thing I have read on this site.
I get a feeling you already know this though and are a piece of shit who loves seeing kids die in mass shootings so you can push gun laws
Please stop projecting. There is no way any of this would make sense to you unless you are that callous and depraved in real life. Some of us actually believe the things we argue and actually care about other people.
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@Greyparrot
911 didn't use guns.
Do you think every would-be mass murderer, if they didn't have access to guns would seek out 18 other like minded individuals, plan out an elaborate mass casualty event, spend months training for the job and then carry it out with precision?
No, of course it's not. This is just another unserious trolling comment to avoid having to put forward a post with some actual thought.
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@coal
The essential problem with so-called gun control regulation is that, counterintuitively, such policies do not control guns. These policies control people, only in cohorts inclined to follow the law (however idiotic or ill advised the law may be). Among cohorts not so inclined, these policies have no effect whatsoever.
you might want to take a look at UK gun related deaths
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@Double_R
Uvalde had armed guards on site who engaged with the shooter, that failed. Parkland had armed officers on duty, that failed as well.
exactly
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@Double_R
The point is many mass murderers deliberately refuse to use guns as a weapon of choice despite the availability of guns. That's a fact.
If you care about stopping thousands of non gun mass murders, then harping on a gun-ban panacea is counterproductive
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@3RU7AL
exactly
Tell that to the parents of the dead kids about "failure"
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@Greyparrot
Tell that to the parents of the dead kids (who died in automobile "accidents") about "failure"
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@Greyparrot
The point is many mass murderers deliberately refuse to use guns as a weapon of choice despite the availability of guns. That's a fact.
Then provide your citation. Strange that you didn't include it.
You might also want to explain what these supposed anti-gun mass murderers have to do with stopping the mass shooters we are seeing daily here in the US.
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@Double_R
Then provide your citation. Strange that you didn't include it.
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@Greyparrot
Seriously?
Refer to post 158 where I addressed this already and you skated around it inly to come full circle here.
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@Double_R
lol, you didn't address shit. You asserted with no evidence.
If you calculate all the deaths from non-gun mass killings in the past 20 years, it's far more than gun mass killings. By far.
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@3RU7AL
There’s the 1973 mass murder at a gay bar in New Orleans that killed 32: An ejected customer went down the street and bought a can of cigarette-lighter fluid. And the 87 murdered in New York City in 1990: A guy upset with his ex-girlfriend bought $1 worth of gasoline. In 1986 in San Juan, Puerto Rico, union officers put pressure on an employer by using camp-stove gas to murder 97. On July 5 of this year, a guy in Port Angeles, Wash., burned his trailer, killing his wife and three children. Did you see that on CNN?
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@3RU7AL
One man stabbed to death five people with a kitchen knife at a Calgary party. Eight siblings killed in a mass stabbing in Queensland; five bludgeoned to death in Sydney in 2009. Palace Backpackers Hostel in Childers, Queensland, was intentionally burned in 2000, killing 15. The 2011 Quakers Hill Nursing Home fire killed eleven, set by a nurse after police questioned him about drug abuse.
In 1995, a sarin poison-gas attack in Japan killed 13 and injured many more. In 2016, a former employee of a nursing home stabbed to death 19 of the patients. Eight students were stabbed to death at an Osaka school in 2001. A combination vehicle/stabbing incident killed seven in Tokyo in 2008. A father burned his wife and five children to death in Tokyo in 2017. Last month, 35 died when a man set fire to an anime studio.
A 2014 terrorist knife attack in Kunming left 33 dead and 143 injured. A series of school attacks in the early 2010s killed at least 25 in total; while not all of these school attacks were mass murders (five or more killed in one attack), some meet the criteria: eight schoolchildren murdered with a knife in Nanping in March 2010; nine murdered in Hanzhong with a meat cleaver in May 2010.
22 killed with explosives in Manchester, England, in 2017. Two terrorists killed 33 people at an airport and subway station in Brussels with bombs.
84 murdered with a truck in Nice, France; 12 in Berlin, Germany; five in Stockholm; 13 in Barcelona, Spain; eight by truck and knives in London. Also an attack in Melbourne, Australia, that killed six. No gun needed.
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@Greyparrot
bought $1 worth of gasoline.
great points
however,
Apr 27, 2022 — For years, car accidents were the leading cause of death for kids and teens, but gun violence increased across the country in 2020.
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@3RU7AL
All I am saying is that eliminating guns won't save these kids. Plus, the removal of the 2nd amendment will most certainly allow the government to become authoritarian with zero pushback. The country is already fed up about the loss of standard of living in 2022. Imagine if elections were not allowed to remove the people that caused it.
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@Greyparrot
All I am saying is that eliminating guns won't save these kids.
statistically it does "save kids" (increasing the driving age to 25 and making speed limiters mandatory would also "save kids")
Plus, the removal of the 2nd amendment will most certainly allow the government to become authoritarian with zero pushback. The country is already fed up about the loss of standard of living in 2022. Imagine if elections were not allowed to remove the people that caused it.
i agree
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@3RU7AL
statistically it does "save kids"
For what purpose? To what end? To grow up in an authoritarian world free from individual ownership of guns? Security at the expense of all freedom?
What is the point of saving lives with no future of life liberty or happiness?
"Live free or die" just isn't some cliché, it's the raison detre of America.
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@Greyparrot
For what purpose? To what end?
i'm not in favor of banning all guns
i'm simply pointing out facts
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@3RU7AL
i'm simply pointing out facts
You mean trivia.
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@Greyparrot
i'm simply pointing out factsYou mean trivia.
refined sugar kills more people than guns and drugs combined
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@Greyparrot
lol, you didn't address shit. You asserted with no evidence.If you calculate all the deaths from non-gun mass killings in the past 20 years, it's far more than gun mass killings. By far.
The irony of proclaiming my argument invalid because it had no evidence, and then immediately asserting something without evidence...
But beyond that, I didn't assert anything. Learn to read. I asked you if you seriously believed every would-be mass shooter would, in the absence of being able to acquire a gun, turn to a 9/11 style plot to kill people. Questions don't require evidence, they require a response. Assuming you are a serious person of course.
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@3RU7AL
I can just see the headline:
School Sugaring.....Youth brandishing bags of granulated sugar, force feeds two teachers and 10 children to death.
Youth arrested, and later executed by lethal injection of golden syrup.
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@3RU7AL
refined sugar kills more people than guns and drugs combined
:D