Was Jesus a Stoner?

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Jesus was almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings.
The anointing oil used by Jesus and his disciples contained an ingredient called kaneh-bosem which has since been identified as cannabis extract, according to an article by Chris Bennett in the drugs magazine, High Times, entitled Was Jesus a Stoner? The incense used by Jesus in ceremonies also contained a cannabis extract, suggests Mr Bennett, who quotes scholars to back his claims.
"There can be little doubt about a role for cannabis in Judaic religion," Carl Ruck, professor of classical mythology at Boston University said.

Referring to the existence of cannabis in anointing oils used in ceremonies, he added: "Obviously the easy availability and long-established tradition of cannabis in early Judaism _ would inevitably have included it in the [Christian] mixtures."
Mr Bennett suggests those anointed with the oils used by Jesus were "literally drenched in this potent mixture _ Although most modern people choose to smoke or eat pot, when its active ingredients are transferred into an oil-based carrier, it can also be absorbed through the skin".
Quoting the New Testament, Mr Bennett argues that Jesus anointed his disciples with the oil and encouraged them to do the same with other followers. This could have been responsible for healing eye and skin diseases referred to in the Gospels.
"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil _ and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.

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Can't prove Jesus existed but 100% proof he used pot oil and incense. LOL, deep religious discussion with this one.
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Well, IF Jesus existed, he was a stoner?
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The Hebrew phrase in question is וּקְנֵה־בֹ֖שֶׂם which, transliterated is u'k'neh vosem (literally, "and an aromatic reed"). It appears only in Ex 30:23. The word kaneh (reed) appears in Isaiah 42:3 and elsewhere. 

The word vosem (though in the form of besem) appears also in 30:23 after "kinman" (cinnamon). It refers to the aromatic property and to its existence as a spice (see Ex 35:28). In the same verse there is the other form "besamim" which refers to spices.

The etymology of cannabis, according to some experts is semitic, from this Hebrew phrase so there is no coincidence that the words sound alike -- it is a matter of appropriating the Hebrew to apply to something else.

This aromatic reed is usually translated as the Calamus plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorus_calamus but there are other references

Klein's Etymological Dictionary of Hebrew
בשׂם (Bosem) to have a sweet odor.
    — Qal - בָּשַׂם was fragrant, was pleasant.
    — Pi. - בִּשֵּׂם PBH 1 he perfumed, spiced; NH 2 he made pleasant.
    — Pu. - בֻּשַּׂם PBH 1 was spiced, was perfumed; NH 2 was made pleasant; MH 3 he became drunk, became intoxicated.
    — Hith. - הִתְבַּשֵּׂם PBH 1 he spiced himself, perfumed himself; PBH 2 he flavored himself with; NH 3 he became drunk, became intoxicated.
    — Hiph. - הִבְשִׂים 1 he spiced, perfumed; 2 it gave a pleasant odor. [Aram. בְּסִים, Syr. בּֽסֵם (= was sweet, was pleasant), Aram. בַּסִּימָא (= sweet), Palm. (משחא) בשימה (= spiced oil), Arab. bashima (= was affected with disgust), Akka. bashāmu (= to make beautiful). cp. בסם.] Derivatives: בֹּשֶׂם, בֶּשֶׂם, בָּשָׂם, בַּשָּׂם, בָּשׂוּם, בִּשּׂוּם, בָּשְׂמִי, הִתְבַּשּֽׂמוּת, מֽבֻשָּׂם, מִבְשָׂמָה.
בֹּֽשֶׂם, בָּשָׂם, בֶּֽשֶׂם m.n. 1 balsam tree, Balsamodendron Opolbalsamum. 2 balsam oil. 3 scent, fragrance. [From בשׂם. cp. JAram. בּוּשֽׂמָא, בּוּסְמָא, Syr. בֶּשְׂמָא, Arab. basham (= spice, balsam, perfume). Gk. balsamon (= balsam) — whence L. balsamum — is a loan word from Heb. בָּשָׂם. cp. בֹּסֶם. cp. also בַּלְסָם, בַּלֽסֽמוֹן and אֲפַרְסֽמוֹן.]


The next two are from the Sefaria site
Source: : Open Scriptures on GitHub
Creator:  Based on the work of Larry Pierce at the Online Bible
בֶּשֶׂם (n-m) heb
    1. spice, balsam, balsam tree, perfume
    2. (TWOT) sweet, sweet smell, sweet odour

קָנֶה (n-m) heb
    1. reed, stalk, bone, balances
      1. stalk
      2. water-plant, reed
      3. calamus (aromatic reed)
      4. derived meanings
        1. measuring-rod
        2. reed (as unit of measure-6 cubits)
        3. beam (of scales-for scales themselves)
        4. shaft (of lampstand)
        5. branches (of lampstand)
        6. shoulder-joint


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The only reason I can think that people who believe in God not accepting of this is because they unironically associate religion with tradition, and it has always been this way.


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He was a good fisherman old jesus. 

It is difficult picturing jesus fishing.   
You are catching nothing and jesus is filling the net every cast. 
He'd be anoying sometimes.     Living a charmed life.   


How important would of the person been that jesus got his weed off.    
Insta apostleized .   
His dealer was one of the 900 plus year olds. 

( Was jesus a stoner )  is funny backwards.  
 
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It's more than likely that archaic shamanism included the use of mind altering organic substances.

Old Abe was definitely on something when he went up that mountain.


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renots a susej saw.

Defo a subliminal message.

Something about a renault and a sausage saw.


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Nope.  Jesus was not a stoner.  

Is there anything else I need to comment on? No.  rosends adequately adds REAL information. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7582/post-links/326198

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Well, IF Jesus existed, he was a stoner?
Actually the Bible tells us Jesus did not want to get stoned.

John 10:32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”