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Left wingers: We don’t want to deport the undocumented.  No human being is illegal.  Stop separating families!

Right wingers: We do want to deport the undocumented.  They are taking our jobs.

Undocumented: We are very socially conservative on the church and abortion, but we just want to earn for our families without being harassed by strangers.

Me: I know how ALL of you can be happy.  Let’s send all of the undocumented immigrants, their spouses, pets, and anchor babies to blue counties by the standards of the 2016 Us presidential election.  Democrats are happy because we aren’t separating families and sending them to countries where they often die, Republicans are happy because they don’t have to worry about job loss, and the undocumented can be happy because they aren’t being harassed by random strangers and ICE.  They also get to be with more of their kind.  We also get to build up our cities by bringing in more people.
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Yep that's basically what happens.

It's been happening for years and years.

Immigration, prejudice based on fearfulness of strangers, slow familiarisation and integration, general acceptance.....And then some other ugly looking buggers come along and upset the apple cart again........D'oh.

Though I think that most of them are actually from Planet Earth.

All except Matt Gaetz and family that is......Not his dad, he was part of a hybrid breeding programme.


Nonetheless:

Can you imagine what the First Nationers thought when the first European Colonialists rocked up and took over all the buffalo and beaver slaughtering jobs........What the F***'s going on here!
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Can you imagine what the First Nationers thought when the first European Colonialists rocked up and took over all the buffalo and beaver slaughtering jobs........What the F***'s going on here!
Not a good argument; Mexico is also a nation of immigrants.  Yet if I don't go through the legal process to Mexico (which is harder than America), I get deported regardless of any anchor babies I created.
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It's exactly the same argument.....Whether it's The U.S.A or Mexico or 2022 or 1722.

Funny how you shifted you're focus onto Mexico......Sort of dodging the issue as it were.
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undocumented

Is that a new word for 'illegals'?
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Funny how you shifted you're focus onto Mexico......Sort of dodging the issue as it were.
I'm saying that if Mexico can deport people, so can America.
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undocumented

Is that a new word for 'illegals'?
The term is well established.
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The term is well established.

It's misleading. Going to a library and reading a book with no library card is undocumented.

Contrary to popular belief, illegal invaders often have documentation saying who they are.
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Contrary to popular belief, illegal invaders often have documentation saying who they are.
They aren't documented with the US government, which is why they are undocumented.

But whether or not they are documented should have no relevance to whether they get deported or not.
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But whether or not they are documented should have no relevance to whether they get deported or not.
Correct. It's also against the law for an American Citizen to enter the United states without passing a legal point of entry. Documents are irrelevant.
If you doubt this, try driving around an American border checkpoint and see what happens,

The term remains misleading.
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Contrary to popular belief, illegal invaders often have documentation saying who they are.
You are talking about Melania's Einstein visa, right?
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You are talking about Melania's Einstein visa, right?
Have you tried driving around a US checkpoint lately?
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TU: undocumented

Stephen wrote: Is that a new word for 'illegals'?
TU: The term is well established..........They aren't documented with the US government, which is why they are undocumented.

Then that makes them illegals, doesn't it?

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The term, "illegal" and "undocumented" are synonymous.  Use whatever term you prefer.
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TU: undocumented

Stephen wrote: Is that a new word for 'illegals'?
TU: The term is well established..........They aren't documented with the US government, which is why they are undocumented.

Then that makes them illegals, doesn't it?
The term, "illegal" and "undocumented" are synonymous. 

  Illegal means criminal and against the law. The terms are not interchangeable, as much as you are begging them to be.
It is criminal and unlawful for me to enter your country without permission.
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It is criminal and unlawful for me to enter your country without permission.
It's criminal and unlawful to insult a horse.  It's criminal and unlawful to cut hair without a license.   It's also criminal and unlawful to speed 5 kph over the speed limit

Virtually every single right wing American law bootlicker (who demands others must comply with the law under the threat of it ruining their life) speeds and is hypocritical because they also break the law.  Granted, there is no issue with breaking the law as long as you aren't harming anybody else.  This applies to owning hundreds of AK 47s, being unvaccinated and unmasked in public, and coming into a country without permission.  Bootlicking is unamerican.

If you aren't harming anyone else by breaking the law, who gives a fuck?
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It is criminal and unlawful for me to enter your country without permission.
It's criminal and unlawful to insult a horse.

Not in the Uk. It may well be criminal to assault an horse. 


It's criminal and unlawful to cut hair without a license. 

Not in the UK to my knowledge.


 It's also criminal and unlawful to speed 5 kph over the speed limit

 Correct, your on the right track and speaking law.



If you aren't harming anyone else by breaking the law, who gives a fuck?

 I do.

All law isn't perfect. But it is the law. And the law to most people- including myself - is an utter fk up at times and does come across as unnecessary and unfair.

 But waiting for an accident to happen instead of trying to prevent or reduce the probability of an accident by a drunked or drugged smack head tard has to be commended.

Lest just hope that none of your own loved ones get killed by a twat tard going over the speed limit.

And you comparing to ILLEGAL immigration to a tard speeding has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Although they are BOTH CRIMES!

 You are not one of the dozy bagheads that call themselves "Freeman on the Land" are you?


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A lawless society is a tyrannical society where might makes right.
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All law isn't perfect. But it is the law. 
Any law that can objectively be improved should be changed.  Any circumstance that isn't harming anyone (with the burden of proof being high) ought to go unpunished, from being unvaccinated to being here without a license.

 But waiting for an accident to happen instead of trying to prevent or reduce the probability of an accident by a drunked or drugged smack head tard has to be commended.

Lest just hope that none of your own loved ones get killed by a twat tard going over the speed limit.
If you speed and are against speeding, your a hypocrite.


You are not one of the dozy bagheads that call themselves "Freeman on the Land" are you?
I'm not British; I have no idea what that is.  I'm an American, a member of the greatest country god ever created.  We are the only country with a libertarian spirit.  The UK is a socialist hell hole with the UHC and free college that they force the productive to pay for.  In the UK, it's conservatives are authoritarian and socialist.  Our Rand Pauls and Chris Christies and Austin Petersen's believe in minimal government and maximum freedom.  This is why America attracts the best whereas the UK attracts the welfare reciepiants.
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All law isn't perfect. But it is the law. 
Any law that can objectively be improved should be changed. 

Fair point, but if it prevents, its working






 But waiting for an accident to happen instead of trying to prevent or reduce the probability of an accident by a drunked or drugged smack head tard has to be commended.

Lest just hope that none of your own loved ones get killed by a twat tard going over the speed limit.
If you speed and are against speeding, your a hypocrite.

Regardless. the law in this case prevents speeding and accidents


You are not one of the dozy bagheads that call themselves "Freeman on the Land" are you?
I'm an American, a member of the greatest country god ever created. 

I have been stateside many times in my life and only ever had on problem. I found it better and more friendly down south. But that is just my own personal opinion.

  The UK is a socialist hell hole

It is. And getting worse since government allowed an imported a culture that isn't compatible with my own. And allowed thousands of immigrants to enter the country illegally every fkn week from Africa and the Middle East and are putting up in £ 400 a night hotels and given £40-50 a week that "the productive " are paying for while the indigenous are queuing at food banks.  And its an opinion if god created your country better than he did my own . I'm an atheist.
How much welfare is handed out to your illegals? 

Of course none of this goes anywhere to saying breaking the law isn't a crime.

Freeman on the Land movement I think are called Sovereign Citizens in the USA



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Regardless. the law in this case prevents speeding and accidents
The law does this, but if you morally object to speeding, then don't speed.

It is. And getting worse since government allowed an imported a culture that isn't compatible with my own
Letting immigrants move into your town is not the same thing as socialist.  The NHS is an example of a socialist program.

And allowed thousands of immigrants to enter the country illegally every fkn week from Africa and the Middle East and are putting up in £ 400 a night hotels and given £40-50 a week that "the productive " are paying for while the indigenous are queuing at food banks.
I support the undocumented being here; I do not support them living on government assistance.  The UK should stop giving free hotels to foreigners.  But the British conservatives did that.  The US has no right wing.

How much welfare is handed out to your illegals? 
I don't support giving welfare to the undocumented.  I've heard they don't rely on welfare though.  If they do, the appropriate thing is to eliminate the welfare and encourage them to be productive rather than deport them.

Britain attracts welfare recipients.  America attracts productive people.
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It's criminal and unlawful to insult a horse
I think this quote should always be pasted on every TheUnderdog OP.
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The UK is a socialist hell hole
Sheer wisdom
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I have been stateside many times in my life and only ever had on problem. I found it better and more friendly down south. But that is just my own personal opinion.

The north is more culturally German and Italian. The south is more culturally rustic English.

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I have been stateside many times in my life and only ever had on problem. I found it better and more friendly down south. But that is just my own personal opinion.

The north is more culturally German and Italian. The south is more culturally rustic English.

That explains a lot for me. That said, you do have a massive area  of six states in the north east known as New England or is that just an English thing?

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How much welfare is handed out to your illegals? 
I don't support giving welfare to the undocumented. 
Why ever not?  How are they supposed to live and settle once they land on your shores and borders illegally and uninvited with nothing but a shirt on their backs?

What is your solution? where would you house them? How would you handle such a population explosion?   What jobs will they be allotted?  Where will their children go to school. What about medical assistance and medication. How will they get about? Who will pay for it all?  It wouldn't be those "the productive" that you complained about having to fund the lunacy of mass illegal immigration , would it?   Illegal immigration that you actually agree with.  


Stephen wrote: And allowed thousands of immigrants to enter the country illegally every fkn week from Africa and the Middle East and are putting up in £ 400 a night hotels and given £40-50 a week that "the productive " are paying for while the indigenous are queuing at food banks.
I support the undocumented being here; I do not support them living on government assistance.  The UK should stop giving free hotels to foreigners.

And how do you propose I/we do that?

  But the British conservatives did that. 

 Nope, it was the Blair / Brown government that did that making it clear that they had intentionally and purposefully would "rub their[our] noses in diversity"' .  


How much welfare is handed out to your illegals? 
I don't support giving welfare to the undocumented. 

 I didn't ask you if you support it. I asked you - how much welfare is handed out to your illegals? 

It is. And getting worse since government allowed an imported a culture that isn't compatible with my own
Letting immigrants move into your town is not the same thing as socialist.  
 LETTING!?   Have you read a single fkn thing I have wrote... at all ? I didn't let them, you absolute clown. It was forced on me/us. I wasn't asked and I didn't give my permission. I wouldn't have invited thousands young men of fighting age from Africa and the Middle East to come to my town and live bringing there warped cultures , ideologies and prayer mats?  

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That said, you do have a massive area  of six states in the north east known as New England or is that just an English thing?
It's just a name. Most of the culture in that region comes from Puritans, Germans, Irish, and Italians. Hard work and dour attitudes.
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How are they supposed to live and settle once they land on your shores and borders illegally and uninvited with nothing but a shirt on their backs?
They GET A JOB like everyone else.

where would you house them?
Let the undocumented figure out for themselves where they will be housed and who they would pay rent money too that they get from their job.  People can sort themselves out without government interference.

How would you handle such a population explosion?
The government would do nothing and let the free market solve the problem because solving the housing problem would make them rich.

What jobs will they be allotted?
Whatever the market needs them to do free from government interference.

Where will their children go to school.
In the town that their landlords pay property tax in.  The kids also might do homeschooling, which I entirely support.

What about medical assistance and medication
America doesn't have socialized medicine like the European countries.

And how do you propose I/we do that?
Just stop giving the hotels money to house the undocumented and the hotels would naturally kick the undocumented out.

Nope, it was the Blair / Brown government that did that making it clear that they had intentionally and purposefully would "rub their[our] noses in diversity"' .  

List of political parties in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia states that the conservatives are the biggest party in the UK.  They are responsible for this socialism.  Racial diversity is irrelevant and I don't know why the globalists want it so badly.  Let people come here, but don't give them government assistence.

I didn't ask you if you support it. I asked you - how much welfare is handed out to your illegals? 
I'm unsure.  The ideal amount is $0 (and anyone that disagrees can welcome a foreigner into their home and take care of them, I heard Londoners were willing to do that actually).

LETTING!?   Have you read a single fkn thing I have wrote... at all ? I didn't let them, you absolute clown. It was forced on me/us.
I didn't say you let them in.  I'm just saying what's wrong with letting them in if we cut off all government benefits going to them?

I wasn't asked and I didn't give my permission. I wouldn't have invited thousands young men of fighting age from Africa and the Middle East to come to my town and live bringing there warped cultures
Define "warped cultures".

 ideologies
They can have any ideology they want; it's free speech.  Grow a thick skin you snowflake.

prayer mats?  
Worshipping Allah and praying to Mecca is a right that they are allowed to do.  Don't worry, you don't have to copy them.
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anyone that disagrees can welcome a foreigner into their home and take care of them, I heard Londoners were willing to do that actually
Londonistan for all intents and purposes is a foreign city on British soil.
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Londonistan for all intents and purposes is a foreign city on British soil.

Indeed. There are many istan's In the UK now. The Government just won't admit it.