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Joel Osteen is an American televangelist, author, and well-known pastor who was a net worth of $100 million. 

3.2 million children under the age of 5 die each year in sub-Saharan Africa - that's about half of the world's deaths in this age group. Worldwide, nearly every second death in children under the age of five is due to malnutrition.

God is Amoral.
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For sure, we will release energy…
How did you extrapolate that from what I said? 


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Effects matter, but people are held account for their actions, which is exactly how it should be.
Yes, because of the EFFECT of those actions.

And no, ending a finite lifetime is not an infinite effect.
I didn’t say it was, I said the EFFECT of ending that finite lifetime (death) is infinite.
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Rehabilitation versus eternal damnation, this is what it really comes down to. 
What’s the comparison here life or death?

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What’s the comparison here life or death?
Can a soul be rehabilitated?
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Can a soul be rehabilitated?
Through eternal damnation? Maybe

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That’s dark dude. While it misses the point of what I said about rehabilitation versus eternal damnation. 
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Just putting some words down not trying to be dogmatic.

RationalMadman's statements are clever to say the least. My favorite one was, "That's like asking how the definition of an adjective constitutes possessing the adjective if one repeatedly behaves in the way of the definition" when replying to Athias about amoral character.

I remain unpersuaded by his arguments and I disagree that God is amoral is the only acceptable interpretation for this reality.

A large part of this discussion hinges on defining morality and accepting the things that we regard as moral. I think it can be defined as all moral precepts ought to cause human flourishing. This definition gives us a baseline for judging the morality of omniscient being (God). 

Whenever we see God letting evil prevail, it's instinct to believe God is flawed and his being in part isn't all moral (or good). However, Humans are finite creatures and can only judge events in the moment. On the other hand, God is eternal and infinite for all purposes. He judges all events in existence and the entire human race. Therefore, his moral precepts may involve the flourishing of the entire species across time as opposed to the good of particular individuals. 

If we judge God as being amoral because of all good and bad events, then we concede that God may simply being what is the best for us (human species).
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I'm good at extrapolating metaphors.


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While it misses the point of what I said about rehabilitation versus eternal damnation. 
Did it? Because when I asked for clarification you answered the question with a question of your own.
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@Tarik.

Begs the question....How long is eternity?



Or is it simply a case of.....Well, you are rehabilitated now....But you're still damned for eternity......Sorry matey.


Or is it simply the case, that we are wittering on about non-sense again?


Me thinks the latter......But it does provide entertainment.
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Did it? Because when I asked for clarification you answered the question with a question of your own.
Your question was a false dichotomy when it comes to the soul. That’s why I went straight to asking if the soul can be rehabilitated. 

You answered maybe, in eternal damnation. 
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Your question was a false dichotomy when it comes to the soul.
How was I supposed to know your argument was in reference to the soul? You didn’t ask the soul rehabilitation question until AFTER I already asked mine.
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You're trolling at this point. 
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You're trolling at this point. 
And you came to that conclusion based off what? Anybody can make a claim, but can you back it up?
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@Tarik
You're defending religious views and when called out on it you say we don't know your religion. Then you're saying you don't know people are talking about a soul but they're talking about the afterlife. You're either trolling or stupid.
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You're defending religious views and when called out on it you say we don't know your religion.
The two aren’t mutually exclusive you can defend a religious view without being apart of that religion. I’m sure there are scriptures in The Bible that even you can agree with, like treat people the way you want to be treated (or something along those lines) any decent thinking individual can get behind that, doesn’t make you a Christian by any stretch.

Then you're saying you don't know people are talking about a soul but they're talking about the afterlife.
They also talked about rehabilitation that made me question if they were talking about life as we know it.

You're either trolling or stupid.
Coming from the guy that said

I don't know if that makes any sense but.

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Knowing I may not have put my thoughts down well doesn't make me stupid it makes me actually a little more aware of what I'm saying. And now I know that you're trolling so thanks for clearing that all up.
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Knowing I may not have put my thoughts down well doesn't make me stupid it makes me actually a little more aware of what I'm saying.
Not aware enough to actually put your thoughts down well.

And now I know that you're trolling so thanks for clearing that all up.
Clearing things up is the last thing a troll would do so maybe your the troll.

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@CoolApe
I think you make a good point, but I would also add that just because something is good or bad from a human perspective does not mean that the same moral judgements can be said of non-humans. Moral naturalism is one of the most popular metaethical theories and is based on one's telos, but non-humans would have a different telos than humans, so how could we make such statements that they are or are not being moral based on what human morality looks like.

Of course, I don't think that this necessarily solves the POE, but it seems like an angle one might try and tackle.
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@Tarik
Effects matter, but people are held account for their actions, which is exactly how it should be.
Yes, because of the EFFECT of those actions.
Are you under the impression that you are contradicting my point? Because you didn’t.

And no, ending a finite lifetime is not an infinite effect.
I didn’t say it was, I said the EFFECT of ending that finite lifetime (death) is infinite.
It’s not an infinite effect, but the effect is infinite? What?

Death is infinite and death is a part of every lifetime, so I don’t even get what you’re trying to say.
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I don’t even get what you’re trying to say.
I’m saying the infinite torture is the punishment for the infinite death that results from murder, so it’s fair play.
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Good day. 
I was think8ng about execution  before.

Capital punishment.. 
That has to be imorral .
The " executioner " anyway. 

Or is that like shooting people in war. 
It gets somewhat brushed away. 

Is it immoral to shot someone. 

Manslaughter  moral? 

What about a accidental death? 

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 Can we call ( murder )  diffrent things and lessor the moral implaca cation . I camt spell 
Implication. 
Oh pli not ple or pla.

Law again  begins to creep in. 
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I’m saying the infinite torture is the punishment for the infinite death that results from murder, so it’s fair play.
It’s not infinite. First of all, you are again confusing the act with the effect. But more to the point, death is a part of life. If I murder someone I am taking away whatever would have remained of their life. If they would have lived another, say 20 years, then my actions resulted in 20 years lost.

20 years < infinity

And BTW, since when is torture moral? I mean is this seriously your position? This is what constitutes morality to you?
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Soooooooo. 
it's more amoral to kill a 5 year old then a 83 year old ?
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Euthanasia creeps in. 

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Youthanasia creeps in too.
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No not me.   
It goes youthanasia.  



Euthanasia is one of them ( uncertain  )  subjects. Hey?
Like abortion. 

Ahhhhh imagine all the Moral imps into euthanasia. 
Couldn't even  start the weigh up. 

Pass.  
 
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I feel like someone or some people  made up these things called " MORALS" to deter / stop people 
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 from doing things they might like doing. 

Wich brings us back to. 
ITS ONLY ILLEGAL IF YOU GET CAUGHT. 

Something isn't moral or imorral if no one witnesses or hears about it.  Apart from one. 

Actually no. 
That doesn't work.