When both sides got owned by Trump

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Oh, look, the republican Satanists are out. We don't want to help any poor people. 
I’m fine with helping poor people. American poor people.

Tell me how flooding the nation with people with cultures that are incompatible with ours and who are destined to live on the public dime for most of or all of their lives is in our interest

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            WWJD
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WWJD
Not create the Tower of Babel in America

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Jesus told him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me."

But when bmdrocks21 heard this, he went away sad, for he had many possessions.
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Perhaps we can start kneecapping repeat offenders
This violates the 8th amendment.  kneecapping - Search (bing.com) also indicates that what you are proposing is terroristic.  If you don't like ISIS because they are terrorists, you should apply that same anti terrorist mentality for what America does.

 It might be if I proposed putting a limit of 0 on immigration for as long as the nation continued to survive, but I don’t.
The US population would fall if that happens.  I don't want to encourage reproduction because kids are expensive for the state to educate, but if you want to reproduced that's fine.  I don't think it should be encouraged.
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No it wouldn’t, because I’m American by birth. I never said an individual can dismantle communism. I said it’s a group effort.
The group doesn't want to corporate.  If I were Chinese, I would rather go to an anti commie country than risk my life trying to make china not communist.

Blue cities are already overcrowded as they are. Your spreadsheet is 100% inaccurate and contains flaws. There’s no way you fit a billion people in blue cities.
I said to send the undocumented to blue counties, not cities.  The majority of blue county land is rural.  Row 842 indicates how the immigrants can be in the US without overcrowding.

Liking the United States =/= disliking China. You seem to have a problem with theories based on mutual exclusiveness.
Liking the US over china is the opposite of liking China over the US.  If people preferred China, they would move to China.  But they want American small government.

Strawman. I said the people of China need to get rid of communism in China. I never said I support communism, nor would I want communism.
Well, having tough immigration quotas is copying communist China.  Fuck China!
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But when bmdrocks21 heard this, he went away sad, for he had many possessions.

Bold of the Atheist to assume he can quote the Bible with any authority, and to assume that I'm Christian and therefore care what the Bible says.

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This violates the 8th amendment.  kneecapping - Search (bing.com) also indicates that what you are proposing is terroristic.  If you don't like ISIS because they are terrorists, you should apply that same anti terrorist mentality for what America does.

The Constitution is only for American citizens. It was more of a musing, but it would certainly be effective.

The US population would fall if that happens.  I don't want to encourage reproduction because kids are expensive for the state to educate, but if you want to reproduced that's fine.  I don't think it should be encouraged.

So..... we should invite immigrants who have more kids than the average American to be educated in the expensive public school system? Makes sense
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The Constitution is only for American citizens. It was more of a musing, but it would certainly be effective.
The constitution applies to everyone in America's borders; just like the constitution wouldn't apply to an American living in a foreign country.

So..... we should invite immigrants who have more kids than the average American to be educated in the expensive public school system? Makes sense
I don't encourage immigrants having kids, but if they want kids (just like if native born citizens want kids) they have the right to have them.  I'd prefer it if people homeschooled their kids because it's a cheaper and better education for the kids than public school bureaucratic waste.  But once the kids become adults, they contribute to the US economy (unless they get deported, I wouldn't let the kids consume government benefits if anchor babies).

If you don't want anchor baby youth to be burdens to the state, don't deport them when they are 18.  The law indicates that anchor babies, undocumented minors, and native born citizen youth already get a free education paid for by their parents through tax dollars.  The question is should they get deported when all that education is put into them?  I think it would be ridiculous to deport taxpayers like that after all that education we put into them.  If you propose, "lets just kick the undocumented out of school", then they are going to be welfare recipients when they are 18+ and I don't want them on welfare.

More working age adults are beneficial to the US economy in the short and medium term.  More kids is bad for the economy in the short term and better in the long term.  I don't support giving undocumented elderly people social security if they come here after retirement age.
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Also conservative logic:

Abortion: Save the children.
Immigration: Screw the children.

Liberal logic:
Abortion: Screw the children.
Immigration: Save the children.

I don't understand the inconsistency.
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Also conservative logic:

Abortion: Save the children.
Immigration: Screw the children.
It’s pretty simple. it isn’t America’s obligation to take care of every foreigner’s child on the planet. Get it?

Alec’s logic: follow my rules or I’ll harvest your organs
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The constitution applies to everyone in America's borders; just like the constitution wouldn't apply to an American living in a foreign country.
No they don’t. Foreign citizens generally don’t have the right to purchase a firearm here. We could hypothetically pass a law that restricts the speech of foreign citizens residing here if we wanted.

The Constitution applies to Americans in foreign countries. We can’t say they committed a crime because they owned firearms or used free speech outside of our borders. Those countries don’t have to follow our Constitution, but we do.


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It’s pretty simple. it isn’t America’s obligation to take care of every foreigner’s child on the planet. Get it?
The kids in our borders though get a free education by law, paid for by tax dollars so they don't end up on welfare when they are older by the current law.

Alec’s logic: follow my rules or I’ll harvest your organs
What's your alternative punishment for abortion?  In order to ban abortion, a punishment is required.  I hope you realize that.

The Constitution applies to Americans in foreign countries.
It doesn't.  If I speak out against Allah in Saudi Arabia, I get subjected to Saudi Arabia's law, not America's.

No they don’t. Foreign citizens generally don’t have the right to purchase a firearm here.
I disagree with this.  I think anyone should be allowed to buy firearms because the constitution states, "The right of the PEOPLE (not citizens) to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"


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The kids in our borders though get a free education by law, paid for by tax dollars so they don't end up on welfare when they are older by the current law.

Yeah, and we should pass laws banning that

What's your alternative punishment for abortion?  In order to ban abortion, a punishment is required.  I hope you realize that.

Treat the doctor as a murderer

It doesn't.  If I speak out against Allah in Saudi Arabia, I get subjected to Saudi Arabia's law, not America's.

I responded to this part but you didn't read it

I disagree with this.  I think anyone should be allowed to buy firearms because the constitution states, "The right of the PEOPLE (not citizens) to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"

I don't know, I'd feel less safe with Iranian moving here and buying guns. Maybe it was I said and *gasp* the Constitution in many ways doesn't apply to foreigners.
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Yeah, and we should pass laws banning that
Then the kid is going to be on welfare when they are older.  I don't want these foreigners on welfare (or anyone else on welfare).  So they get a free education (just like what your kids will get) paid for by documented parents and undocumented parents.  But at least the undocumented parents themselves don't need their education paid for; they got educated in their home country, whereas both of us got our education paid for when we were kids.  America should be opening the borders to maximize the number of taxpayers to pay off the debt.

Treat the doctor as a murderer
So that means death penalty or life in jail?  Since I'm assuming you support the death penalty for murder, I'm assuming you would execute all abortionists.  But what if the female performs her own abortion (which is easy enough to do)?  Would she get the death penalty?  If so, that sounds more authoritarian than forcing a guy to donate a kidney and get sterilized.

I don't know, I'd feel less safe with Iranian moving here and buying guns.
I don't feel threatened when foreigners buy guns.  The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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I don't want these foreigners on welfare (
I don’t either. That’s why I propose sending them back where they came from! Then, block them with physical barriers such as walls along with sensors and razor wire

Would she get the death penalty?
No, I think that since we are living in an era of a lot of propaganda around the matter, I wouldn’t propose the average woman getting charged as a murderer. However, I do have higher standards for people that go to medical school and know fully that they are terminating a human life.

I don't feel threatened when foreigners buy guns.  The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
We also used to not feel threatened by foreigners learning to become pilots. Then those foreigners flew planes into our buildings and killed thousands of people
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I don’t either. That’s why I propose sending them back where they came from! Then, block them with physical barriers such as walls along with sensors and razor wire
But if you deport them (especially if they are adults) they have been educated by American tax dollars for much of their childhood.  Deporting them would benefit their home country and harm America.

Clearly we disagree on immigration, so here is something that I think can work for both of us.  Lets send all the undocumented immigrants and their families to blue counties by the standards of the 2016 election.  If the right wing counties don't want the undocumented, fine, they don't have to have them.  If the blue counties want the undocumented, fine, they can take them in and get the extra taxpayers.  Trump and DeSantis proposed this as a compromise and I accept it.  I live in a blue county; I don't mind the extra taxpayers paying off my state's debt.  Thoughts?

No, I think that since we are living in an era of a lot of propaganda around the matter, I wouldn’t propose the average woman getting charged as a murderer. However, I do have higher standards for people that go to medical school and know fully that they are terminating a human life.
What if the pregnant female felt the kid inside her and due to her not liking the feeling, she aborted.  If the female thinks she is killing a human being but kills them due to convenience (a huge proportion females that abort think they are killing a human being and do so because of pregnancy pains) would you support giving her the death penalty?  If so, that sounds more authoritarian than making the guy who impregnate her get sterilized and give a kidney.

We also used to not feel threatened by foreigners learning to become pilots. Then those foreigners flew planes into our buildings and killed thousands of people
One small group of horrible immigrants did 9/11.  Banning immigrants from flying planes based on this is akin to banning guns for white people because a white person did a mass shooting.  Both ideas are equally authoritarian and horrible.  If your not worried about heart disease deaths (about 600,000 US deaths annually) it makes no sense to be worried about terrorist deaths (less than 170 deaths a year(American Deaths in Terrorist Attacks 1995-2016 (umd.edu))).
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Clearly we disagree on immigration, so here is something that I think can work for both of us.  Lets send all the undocumented immigrants and their families to blue counties by the standards of the 2016 election.  If the right wing counties don't want the undocumented, fine, they don't have to have them.  If the blue counties want the undocumented, fine, they can take them in and get the extra taxpayers.  Trump and DeSantis proposed this as a compromise and I accept it.  I live in a blue county; I don't mind the extra taxpayers paying off my state's debt.  Thoughts?

There is still three major concerns: they would almost definitely receive federal money, there is no guarantee that they will stay in solely blue counties, and this will encourage even more illegal immigration

So, while that might be a slight improvement over the current situation, I'd say no.

What if the pregnant female felt the kid inside her and due to her not liking the feeling, she aborted.  If the female thinks she is killing a human being but kills them due to convenience (a huge proportion females that abort think they are killing a human being and do so because of pregnancy pains) would you support giving her the death penalty?  If so, that sounds more authoritarian than making the guy who impregnate her get sterilized and give a kidney.

I think that would be very hard to prove in a court, but if on rare occasion you could figure that out, then sure. Not sure how you'd realistically go about that. So, de facto, that wouldn't be a law because conviction would be so rare.

One small group of horrible immigrants did 9/11.  Banning immigrants from flying planes based on this is akin to banning guns for white people because a white person did a mass shooting.  Both ideas are equally authoritarian and horrible.  If your not worried about heart disease deaths (about 600,000 US deaths annually) it makes no sense to be worried about terrorist deaths (less than 170 deaths a year(American Deaths in Terrorist Attacks 1995-2016 (umd.edu))).

But the key difference is one group is citizens and one isn't. There is an important distinction that allows different treatment by law.

And the reason that I worry about terrorist attacks more than heart disease is this: I eat healthily and get exercise. I can do a lot of things in my power to prevent heart disease. Terrorist attacks are often unpredictable. If I worked at the World Trade Center, what could I have done to not be killed? Not go into work that day?
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Did you see the Psaki response to the question why should illegals get free phones with free plans when poor Americans cannot?
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Nah, what did that bimbo have to say about it?
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She redirected asking the reporter "Well, don't you want the government to be able to track individuals?"

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There is still three major concerns: they would almost definitely receive federal money,
They would and should be banned from welfare and government assistance.  The undocumented are going to have to homeschool their own kids, like a true American.

there is no guarantee that they will stay in solely blue counties
Why would they want to move to counties that hate their guts?  The undocumented already stay in blue counties; a federal mandate that they stay in blue counties will only increase this effect.


and this will encourage even more illegal immigration
They are moving to blue counties, why do you care?  Trump and DeSantis proposed this.

I think that would be very hard to prove in a court,
Lawyers have an easy time proving stuff; they went to law school for this.

but if on rare occasion you could figure that out, then sure.
So you support the death penalty for a female if they commit their own abortion and knew that it was a human being, but wanted them dead for convienience reasons.  This is way more tyrannical  than sterilizing and taking a kidney of the man who impregnated her.

But the key difference is one group is citizens and one isn't. There is an important distinction that allows different treatment by law.
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were American citizens.  Citizenship status is irrelevant though; a murderer who is undocumented is just as bad as a native born citizen who is a murderer.  If an undocumented immigrant gets raped by a native born citizen, if you support letting the native born citizen get away with it because the rape victim is undocumented, that’s evil; there is no other way to put it.

And the reason that I worry about terrorist attacks more than heart disease is this: I eat healthily and get exercise. I can do a lot of things in my power to prevent heart disease.
Many other people have that same mentality; there still is a 14% chance you die of heart disease.  The odds of you dying from a terrorist attack are extremely small.

It is Authoritarian to worry about things that have an extremely small chance of killing you, whether those things are terrorist deaths, mass shootings, police killing black people, car accident deaths (so you can reduce speed limits).

Fear takes away people’s freedoms.  So don’t worry about extremely rare events.