Why both sides play the race card

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The left: Police disproportionally kill people of color.

The right: Private schools disproportionally benefit people of color.

The left: Abortion bans disproportionally impact women of color.

The right: Aborted fetuses are disproportionally people of color.

The left: Systemic racism disproportionally impacts people of color.

The right: Single motherhood disproportionally impacts people of color.

Me: STOP MAKING YOUR ISSUES ABOUT RACE!!!  I don't care what racial group gets more impacted by an issue.  I care about it's impact in American society.  Both of you guys want to play the race card and any non-racist person doesn't care what racial group gets impacted because that would filter in race.  Don't filter in race for your complaints.
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As I've explained previously.

By virtue of sensory ability, everyone is racist and/or discriminatory.

And everyone is a person of colour....It's just that tone varies.

Social problems will therefore inevitably arise, in a society that naturally fragments into sub-groups based upon perceivable differences.
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American society has varied demographics within it. It would be a disservice to democracy to discourage certain demographics to be informed which issues particularly affect them.
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I know this proposal sounds stupid but can we stop use skin colors to categorize races? Literally in some photos Trump is darker than Obama, and Trump is "white" and Obama is a "black president". If you are exposed to sunlight or just have genes of some sort, then you may be darker. Using skin colors to categorize races is inaccurate.

Yeah, it may sound like ass, but if so, why?
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. It would be a disservice to democracy to discourage certain demographics to be informed which issues particularly affect them.



Social problems will therefore inevitably arise, in a society that naturally fragments into sub-groups based upon perceivable differences.

I'm seeing a surprising amount of sensical things being said by the libs. I'm afraid I'll probably come to much different conclusions than them though.

Different racial groups have different issues. They should be able to collectively combat those issues. It's just that 90%+ of liberals think (and most conservatives as well, due to post-civil rights era indoctrination) that it's wrong for White people to look out for their collective interests.

And people have always distinguished themselves from others based upon perceivable differences and will continue to do so. So... stop wasting our time trying to put a square in a round hole. Multicultural/multiracial societies will never prosper because everyone will always fight each other based on racial and ethnic differences ^_^
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It's because the left needs a victim class to pander to and because the right is reactionary. 
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By virtue of sensory ability, everyone is racist and/or discriminatory.
I’m not racist.

Social problems will therefore inevitably arise, in a society that naturally fragments into sub-groups based upon perceivable differences.
This is also false.  America has never fought between black haired and blond people.  We don’t have to fight based on race either.
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its because you need to appeal to blacks or else you could be labelled a "racist". Oh No!
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The very fact that we are having this discussion tells me that you perceive difference.

So you will therefore inevitably discriminate. (Think difference)

Though this does not mean to say that you will be disrespectful.

Black haired and blond haired, see how you discriminated there.....Quite interestingly I might add......I've never really  thought of it as a hair issue.


And I've never mentioned fighting, as in physically fighting....Though I expect it does  occur in isolated situations.

Nonetheless, the ongoing race argument is a fight of sorts.....Just depends upon how one chooses to define the word fight.


An inherent internal discriminatory process, is a part of our survival mechanism.

See.....Hug, fight or run....We usually make the decision in a nanosecond.

And the other guy with the darker/lighter sin and the blue hair does exactly the same.


 
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The very fact that we are having this discussion tells me that you perceive difference.
I know the difference between a blond and a brunette, but I don't hate people for being either.  A racist hates someone for their skin color.  I'm not racist.  The definition of racism is to be a narrow definition.  Being able to tell the difference between white people and black people isn't racist.


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American politicians should appeal to Americans irrespective of their race and shouldn't call out any race more than any other.
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You know the difference and you don't hate people for it.....Good....Me too.

Though I'm not sure if I hate anyone...Hate is a very powerful emotion, but the word hate is used very cheaply.

Most active racism is just a strongly conditioned aversion relative to perceivable difference.


I'm referring to a more passive, inherent form of racism and discrimination, that inevitably set's you apart from others that you perceive to be different.

So let's say that a young respectable "white" guy was offered a choice between two smart apartments, would he choose the one in the "white" neighbourhood, or the one in the Chinese neighbourhood.
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So let's say that a young respectable "white" guy was offered a choice between two smart apartments, would he choose the one in the "white" neighbourhood, or the one in the Chinese neighbourhood.
I would be surprised he could tell the difference between the white and Chinese neighborhood on a map since I don't know the white and non white parts of NYC.  For instance, if I moved to NYC (I live close by), I don't know what racial group is in what neighborhood; I may move where the rent is cheapest.  I may move where I can build my own house so I don't have to pay rent.  I may rent somewhere close to my job so I don't have to pay ridiculous tolls.  I don't consider the race of my neighbors.

You might consider the racial makeup of your neighbors, so you might be a racist.  But I don't.  Just because liberals are racist doesn't mean conservatives/independents have to be.
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I will not deny that some very extreme progressives go as far as to say 'white people don't have problems at all and racism and segregation doesn't ever happen towards them' but I want to very specifically ask you something...

White people in America (since you are making it specific to white-majority nations and America is a well-known one with heated issues) who are not too poor and also not very disabled or harmed in terms of mental health, gender and/or other criterion need to worry in particular about which issue?

I am trying to think of an issue affecting white people in America that would be solved by change in legal policy, which doesn't affect essentially all other demographic groups and targets all white people the same overall... I am honestly struggling to come up with one.
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Multicultural/multiracial societies will never prosper because everyone will always fight each other based on racial and ethnic differences ^_^
Race is only a problem if you make it one.

Just as people with different hair colors, genders, and heights can get along fine without fighting, people of different races can do the same.
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Just as people with different hair colors, genders, and heights can get along fine without fighting, people of different races can do the same.

Lmao, none of them get along. There are stereotypes about "dumb blondes", men and women clearly don't get along, and short men/tall women get verbally abused all the time.
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@RM

As for overt legal policy, the top two policies that should matter are obviously affirmative action (legalized discrimination against members of the majority group) and immigration. I say immigration because the nation has historically been 90%+ White, and there was cultures and institutions that were greatly influenced by Europe. With the current media bias against Whites and the affirmative action policies encouraging claims of discrimination to receive benefit, immigration will just be adding more fuel to the fire. That's also completely ignoring the cultural implications of mass immigration.

However, most importantly, numbers matter. Almost all immigration is non-White. As White people are displaced as the majority of the nation and the people of other races are taught to hate White people (either by schools, media, or parents), I think that things don't bode well for the despised soon-to-be minority.

In all likelihood, I see a South Afria-esque future for White Americans, and I think they have a collective interest in not letting that happen.

As for your claims of not being harmed in terms of mental health, I'd point out that the White suicide rate is insanely high relative to most other groups. The opioid epidemic mainly affects White people. However, any measures for those would likely impact other races positively as well. The more specific were the two above
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Lmao, none of them get along. There are stereotypes about "dumb blondes"
There are those stereotypes, but it's not like there is an organization called, "blond lives matter" that seeks to end discrimination against blonds.  Most black people aren't part of BLM.  It's just these fringe woke people and their fervent opponents that are part of the identity wars.

men and women clearly don't get along
You sure about that?  A male is more likely to marry a woman than a man and vice versa.

and short men/tall women get verbally abused all the time.
I'm a short guy and I can tell you that I don't get verbally abused for being short.  If someone did verbally abuse me for being short, that's their free speech.
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As White people are displaced as the majority of the nation and the people of other races are taught to hate White people (either by schools, media, or parents)
I live in an area where I as someone who is white is the minority when I was in high school.  People weren't taught to hate white people.  People may support BLM, open borders, or repealing qualified immunity, but that's not the same thing as hating white people.  Don't race bait.

In all likelihood, I see a South Afria-esque future for White Americans, and I think they have a collective interest in not letting that happen.
The 1 White South African I met said whites weren't oppressed in South Africa to this day.  It's just a White lives matter crowd that is as woke as the BLM crowd.

I'd point out that the White suicide rate is insanely high relative to most other groups.
Suicide is extremely rare among all races.

 The opioid epidemic mainly affects White people.
Opioid Crisis Statistics | HHS.gov states that less people died from opioid use than from car accidents.  This shows how rare drug overdose deaths are.

Don't make stuff about race.
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Do you understand the reasoning behind affirmative action?
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Affirmative action should have ended the moment the data came out showing Afro-Caribbean immigrants prospering far better than Native born Blacks despite having had more setbacks especially from the institutionalized racism and slavery in the countries they left. So like 50 years ago it should have ended.
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How do you consistently come up with the goofiest responses to the most plain, straightforward things?

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@RM I know why people argue for affirmative action
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It's not goofy.  Authoritarian conservatives and authoritarian leftists try to race bait everyone and most normal people of all races don't fall for it.
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My hypothesis was specific......And I would strongly suggest that the young respectable white guy would naturally lean towards the white neighbourhood. 

Your own social circumstances are not necessarily relevant to the hypothesis, as other considerations such as affordability and social conditioning would need to be considered.

And I would certainly consider the make up of my neighbours....As would you in a nanosecond, almost without thinking.....There's no avoiding obvious differences.

Racism as popularly defined, is not about perception but about subsequent behaviour relative to perception.
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The 1 White South African I met said whites weren't oppressed in South Africa to this day.  It's just a White lives matter crowd that is as woke as the BLM crowd.
Ah so one person saying it makes it true


I live in an area where I as someone who is white is the minority when I was in high school.  People weren't taught to hate white people.  People may support BLM, open borders, or repealing qualified immunity, but that's not the same thing as hating white people.  Don't race bait
They don’t explicitly say “hate white people”, they try to make people do that through what they teach and how they teach it

Suicide is extremely rare among all races
No it’s not

Opioid Crisis Statistics | HHS.gov states that less people died from opioid use than from car accidents.  This shows how rare drug overdose deaths are.
No, it’s not rare

You sure about that?  A male is more likely to marry a woman than a man and vice versa.
As if inherent sexual attraction is somehow a good measure of getting along with someone. You know what’s a better measure? The 50% divorce rate, because they clearly couldn’t stand each other

There are those stereotypes, but it's not like there is an organization called, "blond lives matter" that seeks to end discrimination against blonds.  Most black people aren't part of BLM.  It's just these fringe woke people and their fervent opponents that are part of the identity wars.
So unless there is an organization to end supposed discrimination, that means everyone gets along perfectly. Very insightful

I'm a short guy and I can tell you that I don't get verbally abused for being short.  If someone did verbally abuse me for being short, that's their free speech.
Cool story bro, too bad it is circumstantial evidences. And free speech has nothing to do with what I’ve said
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And I would strongly suggest that the young respectable white guy would naturally lean towards the white neighbourhood. 
What if that white guy has no idea what's a white vs nonwhite neighborhood (I don't know where the white neighborhoods are)?  He may look for other aspects such as, "quality of town", "school system strength", "low cost of living", "low taxes", but not, "How white is this neighborhood?".  Segregation is despised by pretty much every American.

And I would certainly consider the make up of my neighbours....As would you in a nanosecond, almost without thinking.....There's no avoiding obvious differences.

Racism as popularly defined, is not about perception but about subsequent behaviour relative to perception.
If you care whether your neighbors are white or aren't, YOUR a racist.  But I'm not.  Racism is treating people different for being a race.  I don't do this; I hope you don't do this.

So it's just white liberals and the KKK who are racist for the most part?
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Once again you have changed the original hypothesis and created your own......So let's forget about that.


And you like to think and say that you don't make discriminatory judgements......But you do......All the time.....It's a normal function.

And you're typically pigeonholing racism as a Black and White issue.....It could just as easily be a White and White issue or a Black and Black issue etc etc.

And in my line of work I meet people of all hues and sub cultures.....And although like you, I instantly make an internal discriminatory judgement.....I will always treat everyone with the same level of respect.

And it's good to know that you behave in the same way.

As for ideological persuasion....I prefer to be  non-labelist.....But for the sake of this discussion, I would prefer to be regarded as a moderate realist.

And if anyone is professing liberalism here....It's you.
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Once again you have changed the original hypothesis and created your own......So let's forget about that.
How?  I'm not wanting both parties to make their issues about race.

And if anyone is professing liberalism here....It's you.
How?  I advocate for treating people based on their character and abilities, not their skin color.  That's not liberalism.  It's Americanism.
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each side should appeal to it's base