The real reason why people adamently support Ukraine and hate Russia

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Russia and China are challenging the unipolar world order of Atlanticist powers such as the United States and northwestern Europe. Through this unipolar world order, western elites possess massive amounts of power over global society. Institutions like the World Bank and IMF enact neoliberal economic policies that continuously screw over 2nd and 3rd world countries. People who descend from 2nd and 3rd world countries are looked down upon by snobbish first worlders.

Russia is reclaiming Ukraine from the Atlanticist sphere of influence and reuniting Ukraine with its fellow east Slavs.

Westerner NPCs continue to seethe, why? They don't want anybody but Germanic Northwestern European neoliberals to hold power over the world. They are both neocolonialist and racist. They demand the entire world bow down to their neoliberal whims and social norms of Germanic countries. They despise anything but liberal western culture. They have snobbish neocolonialist attitudes.

Pro-Russian sentiments are essentially an Indigenous Peoples' Movement against Anglo-Germanic neocolonial global supremacy.
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So are you a tankie now, or just a typical reactionary conservative trying to be counter-cultural?
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Russia and China are challenging the unipolar world order of Atlanticist powers such as the United States and northwestern Europe. Through this unipolar world order, western elites possess massive amounts of power over global society. Institutions like the World Bank and IMF enact neoliberal economic policies that continuously screw over 2nd and 3rd world countries. People who descend from 2nd and 3rd world countries are looked down upon by snobbish first worlders.

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Putin and Xi are autocrats, tyrant kings who fear and despise the freedom and success of Western democracies.  Through capitalism, Western democracies have outpaced the broken corrupt Asian economic models once mislabeled as communism.  Institutions like the World Bank (both China and Russia are members)  and the IMF have reduced extreme poverty (making less than $2/day in present terms) from 44% of all people in 1981 to less than 10%.   Almost all of the third world lives better today than their parents did.

Russia is reclaiming Ukraine from the Atlanticist sphere of influence and reuniting Ukraine with its fellow east Slavs.
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Putin has lost this war to a catastrophic degree.  In just 3 weeks, Putin has killed off more of his than US forces suffered in 20 years of war in Afghanistan and Iraq.  Ukraine still has most of its Air Force intact.  Unable to to force a direct engagement with Ukrainian soldiers, Putin is reduced to shelling eastern cities with large Russian populations.  Right now, Putin is slaughtering more of his "fellow east Slavs" than he is Ukrainian soldiers and the Russian Army know it and objects.  Newscasters in Russia are choosing 15 years in jail rather than lying about Russian losses on nightly tv.  Putin is locking up his top intelligence officers lest they try to take him out.  Free eastern Slavs across the world are rejecting Putin's tyranny and fighting back and Putin is already realigning with China for protection.

Westerner NPCs continue to seethe, why? They don't want anybody but Germanic Northwestern European neoliberals to hold power over the world. They are both neocolonialist and racist. They demand the entire world bow down to their neoliberal whims and social norms of Germanic countries. They despise anything but liberal western culture. They have snobbish neocolonialist attitudes.
It's called Liberty and once people know it, they will gladly kill their tyrants, they will die to preserve their freedoms.

Pro-Russian sentiments are essentially an Indigenous Peoples' Movement against Anglo-Germanic neocolonial global supremacy.
Even Russia itself is not particular Pro-Putin at this point.  The only real Pro-Putin people left are Putin's dimwitted henchmen- FOX News, Trump and Trumpists.

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The German + the Anglo-saxon and it's consequences.
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The reason people are against Russia is because Putin has initiated an unwarranted war of aggression against a peaceful nation. 
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Orthodox Russian Ministers are denouncing the west as the devil worshippers. Pornhub, anti-family, shallow twitter npc's have no place in their Orthodoxy Churches.
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At this point, it's safe to automatically assume that any poster on the internet who unironically uses the phrase "Anglo-Saxon" to describe anything connected to present-day US foreign policy is a foreign bot.
You came uncomfortably close.
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It's sad to think that some people are so xenophobic and bigoted against white people that they'll reject democracy and human rights if majority-white countries are the ones pushing for it.
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I'm not a foreign bot, just an indigenous peoples' activist and decolonizer.
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And the Ukrainians aren't the indigenous peoples of Ukraine? What about their right to not be victims of Russian colonialism?
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Even Russia itself is not particular Pro-Putin at this point.  The only real Pro-Putin people left are Putin's dimwitted henchmen- FOX News, Trump and Trumpists.
I can assure you, there are just as many useful idiots on the left who have such an ax to grind with "American neocon imperialism" that they'll turn a blind eye to anything a non-Western power does.
It's just that, for obvious reasons, the mainstream media would rather put the spotlight on Putin apologists on the right.
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Ukrainians are a subtribe of the Rus. Ukrainians that end up being rabidly anti-Russia to their east Slavic brothers tend to embrace westernization, especially since a lot of it was brought about by Poland-Lithuania. They look to western ideas, values, religions, modes of government, etc, simply to spite Russia. They're embracing western neocolonization and hegemony over the world instead of friendship with their east Slavic neighbors. Russia is hardly partaking in colonialism, it's more like liberation and decolonization. Similar to how India launched a military invasion of Goa to free them from Portuguese colonialism.
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It's sad to think that some people are so xenophobic and bigoted against white people that they'll reject democracy and human rights if majority-white countries are the ones pushing for it.
This just shows your snobbish Germanic-superiority and racism. The idea of "whiteness, democracy, and human rights" all stem from Enlightenment Germanic Protestant societies. Maybe some countries, including those under the umbrella of "white" such as Russia, don't believe those values are part of their culture. 
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It's called Liberty and once people know it, they will gladly kill their tyrants, they will die to preserve their freedoms.
Liberty to homo rights, gay pride parades, cultural erasure, massive income inequality, commercialization, consumerism, decadence, onlyfans, estrogen in paper receipts, soy and xenoestrogens in the food supply, transgenderism (aka self-harming mutilation), etc. 

Ukrainians are so brave to fight for their descendants to become money-worshipping obese transgender homos, collecting funko pops, soylent bottles, and marvel movies, that hate their culture in a world order monopolized by western globohomo.
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You don't want a debate, you just want nods and therapy. This thread reeks of resentment and seething bitterness.
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resentment and seething bitterness
So... just like every single post you make on this website?

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Even Russia itself is not particular Pro-Putin at this point.  The only real Pro-Putin people left are Putin's dimwitted henchmen- FOX News, Trump and Trumpists.
I can assure you, there are just as many useful idiots on the left who have such an ax to grind with "American neocon imperialism" that they'll turn a blind eye to anything a non-Western power does.
It's just that, for obvious reasons, the mainstream media would rather put the spotlight on Putin apologists on the right.
I'm sure you might find one or two but "just as many?"  I don't see anything like that.  We still have Republicans voting against sanctions in Congress.  Plenty of prominent Republicans like Trump, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, Tucker Carlson standing by  Putin in spite of his  warcrimes+genocide in the Ukraine but I'm not seeing anything like that among prominent Democrats.  Give me some names of prominent leftists on the order of Trump or Carlson still supporting Putin after his invasion, please.
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So... just like every single post you make on this website?
Projection and deflection what your whole shebang is.

You are oh so caring and empathetic about poor wittle Putin and his ruthless imperialism and arrogance to take sovereign nations as his own.

It isn't homophobia, in your eyes, if you think being gay is sick. It isn't Ukrainian rights or will being violated if the only recognition you give it is as opposition to Putin's will.

Putin doesn't give a shit about Russians. He sent thousands of very young, inexperienced soldiers to be cannon fodder. This was intentional abusive and unnecessary bloodshed to then frame the war as a special military operation instead of an unjust war.


Your post is not just full of sheer rage and resentment over nothing, it's also displaying ignorance. The only reason that Putin has the arrogance to invade Ukraine as brutally and uncalled for as he is, is due to negotiations made in the 1990s which resulted in Ukraine disarming its nuclear warheads in exchange for permanent promised sovereignty and respect for independence from Russia.

Since then, Russia corrupted Ukraine and made it as immoral and prone to human trafficking and other things, as Russia is. Zelensky is the first leader of Ukraine in a long time to be free of Kremlin influence.

You are a simplistic shitposter who makes me cringe at literally every post that you make. I don't care if the feeling is mutual or not. You do not want a debate, you're already getting bodied by Oromagi barely lifting a finger to your BS.
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It's called Liberty and once people know it, they will gladly kill their tyrants, they will die to preserve their freedoms.
Liberty to homo rights, gay pride parades, cultural erasure, massive income inequality, commercialization, consumerism, decadence, onlyfans, estrogen in paper receipts, soy and xenoestrogens in the food supply, transgenderism (aka self-harming mutilation), etc. 

Ukrainians are so brave to fight for their descendants to become money-worshipping obese transgender homos, collecting funko pops, soylent bottles, and marvel movies, that hate their culture in a world order monopolized by western globohomo.
Hooray for the Western Globohomo party train and the freedom to fuck without any regard for big government interference!  Damn the torpedos and pass the lube!

As for income inequality, let's remember that Putin started the year as the richest man in the world in spite of an official salary of $300,000 (worth about half that now)
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This just shows your snobbish Germanic-superiority and racism. The idea of "whiteness, democracy, and human rights" all stem from Enlightenment Germanic Protestant societies. Maybe some countries, including those under the umbrella of "white" such as Russia, don't believe those values are part of their culture. 

This goes a long way to explain why the fraudsters on this site have never shown the Ethiopian flag in their profile pic, despite the 10's of thousands of civilians slaughtered and 512 surviving rape victims in Ethiopian hospitals brutally raped with metal objects to instill terror. All done in one year.

As for income inequality, let's remember that Putin started the year as the richest man in the world in spite of an official salary of $300,000 (worth about half that now)

That's peanuts. Biden's paintings sell for double that amount.
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As for income inequality, let's remember that Putin started the year as the richest man in the world in spite of an official salary of $300,000 (worth about half that now)
Putin's the leader of an enormous country why wouldn't he be rich?

Anyways I'm not saying the Russian government and its oligarchs are ideal or even good, I'm just criticizing the unipolar western neoliberal system. 

Russian oligarchs were propped up by a pro-western neoliberal regime under Yeltsin, it was Putin who began cracking down on them in the early 2000s. Those oligarchs rely on connections to the neoliberal capitalist system to maintain their wealth and power. With Russia's invasion and western moves to isolate the Russian economy, they're targeting Russian oligarchs and their assets in the west. Meanwhile in Russia, the government is looking at nationalization to keep the economy in the government's hands rather than some capitalist oligarchs. 

I'm not saying Russia's government or Putin are great leaders or even ideal, but Russia is still fighting a neoliberal western dominated unipolar world order. Add increasing cooperation with China and Eurasia can finally make the starting moves to flourish under its own economic bloc that isn't intertwined and dependent on the neoliberal system. 
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Putin's the leader of an enormous country why wouldn't he be rich?
You can't complain about US income inequality by holding up a country with far less income equality.

I'm just criticizing the unipolar western neoliberal system.

ne·o·lib·er·al·ism
noun

  1. a political approach that favors free-market capitalism, deregulation, and reduction in government spending.
Sounds good to me.  Hooray for democracy, which liberals invented to free the majority of the world from enslavement!  Hooray for capitalism, which liberals invented to improve competition, innovation, and churn the money a little so it doesn't all just float to the top.  If Putin could steal all the world's wealth and starve all who are not enslaved to him, he clearly would do that.

Democracy and Capitalism dominate because they have contributed more to increased human happiness and prosperity than any other political and economic system, respectively.  Hooray for happier humans!
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Capitalism is what Putin abuses anyway, so I don't grasp that angle.
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Your OP is so on message for Russian propaganda that I somehow doubt you're a Russian.

Edit: I read your bio, I understand, nevermind.
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Ukrainians that end up being rabidly anti-Russia to their east Slavic brothers tend to embrace westernization, especially since a lot of it was brought about by Poland-Lithuania. They look to western ideas, values, religions, modes of government, etc
Sure. But isn't that their own choice? Shouldn't they be free to choose Western-ness if they want?

simply to spite Russia
How is it spiting Russia simply to be Western?

They're embracing western neocolonization and hegemony over the world instead of friendship with their east Slavic neighbors.
Friendship? 
What kind of "friend" says you're not allowed to leave them or else they'll murder you?

Russia is hardly partaking in colonialism, it's more like liberation
Liberation from what? The independence that Ukrainians wanted to keep?

In 1991, more than 90% of Ukrainians in a high-turnout election voted for independence. A majority in both Donetsk and Luhansk voted for the same. Even in Crimea, so did a majority of those who turned out to vote. The entire country voted for independence.

and decolonization

Given that Russia was the former colonizer of Ukraine, don't you mean re-colonization? In what possible world is forcibly denying Ukraine's national right to self-determination an act of decolonization?

Similar to how India launched a military invasion of Goa to free them from Portuguese colonialism.
Except that no foreign power was occupying Ukraine against its will. Ukraine has voluntarily associated itself with the West. Mere proximity to Ukraine did not entitle Russia to annex it, hence the Goa analogy fails.

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Capitalism is "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state."

Putin and his intelligence, security, and oligarch networks are the state.  There no trade or industry that is not subject to state control.  To call Putin a capitalist is to misunderstand capitalism.
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Putin and his intelligence, security, and oligarch networks are the state.  There no trade or industry that is not subject to state control.  To call Putin a capitalist is to misunderstand capitalism.
Actually to paste some wikipedia or whatever definition and think that encapsulates a system and how it can be abused is what's misunderstanding and naive.

Putin abuses everything wrong in Capitalism and I mean everything indeed. If there is a loophole, he will abuse it. A lot of the reason there even are so many oligarchs washing his money abroad for the sanctions to be so powerful on him right now, is because he is washing money from human trafficking and other dirty trades that he doesn't turn a blind eye to but actively involves himself with in his country.

Capitalism is greed turned into a productive system, that's all it ever was and all it ever will be. We cannot escape greed and each of us has a differing level and way in which we are greedy. The reason Socialism ultimately fails is that the vast majority of humans don't want collective good to the point of sacrificing their individual wealth and what that enables them to do in life. Putin is greed embodied in a persona but after a while being rich isn't enough, you get greedy for territory and power.
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The price of preserving Biden's money laundering schemes in Ukraine are long food lines and unaffordable energy.