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I don't mind watching the videos. Maybe it will actually get some people to come to the site. You probably shouldn't upload 50 hours of debating bestiality though
I won't.  It doesn't seem to be getting the same results as the UK riot video with got about 10 views within 30 seconds of uploading. I also marked the videos addressing you as adult only content which limits the audience. 

I might respond to some of this but it Will be more generalized, such as how I get to there being some sort of transcendental truth, or why liberty as an intrinsic good is wrong. 

These videos I believe the only person who watched them was literally you, not that somebody won't run across them later, but it will be few and far between.
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I am not God nor government, so I dont care about what people do with their private lives. Besides, we are all fucked anyway. The world is going to shit and its not because of bestiality, but because people ignore the more important problems and focus on insignificant problems.
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I am not God
Thanks for clearing that up...


The world is going to shit and its not because of bestiality, but because people ignore the more important problems and focus on insignificant problems.
Almost nobody is focusing on bestiality, but when people are irrational simple problems become intractable; say "oh no how will trans people go to the restroom!?"
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and now for some comedic relief: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J4mAsZNDWLI
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I am not God nor government, so I dont care about what people do with their private lives. Besides, we are all fucked anyway. The world is going to shit and its not because of bestiality, but because people ignore the more important problems and focus on insignificant problems.
Tru-dat!

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This is making the rounds. Any comments on it ?

https://torontosun.com/news/world/british-woman-faces-two-years-in-prison-for-having-sex-with-dog
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The dog owner must have filed charges when she refused to have sex with him but chose his dog instead. Now his dog won’t breed with other dogs which is what the charges that were filed.
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Her boyfriend was arrested as an accessory so I think he was the dog owner and in on it
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It's actually two stories.

Standard preamble: I am taking the story at face value and everything I say is predicated on that premise. I make no warranty about the accuracy of the Toronto sun or the story.


That's a puppy. They're trying to manipulate the reader by using a different dog of a different age which looks "innocent and cute".

At an earlier hearing, court heard how Marshall and Reaney caused unnecessary suffering to the pug by “regularly subjecting him to habitual sexual activity.”
<sarcasm> An adult male who is regularly subjected to habitual sexual activity. The horror. Somebody save that poor dog! </sarcasm>


“failed to protect him from pain and suffering caused by habitual sexual activity.”
<sarcasm>Yep, sex is terrible. Don't ask where puppies come from. Just get angry.</sarcasm>

If only the New York Conservation cops would come to do the right thing and rescue this poor tortured animal from his habitual sexual activity and then chop off his head to look for rabies that they damn well know isn't there.

BTW, whenever a zoosexual is caught; I get angry about how the humans are treated, but when (and it often happens) the animals are killed I lose it. Like I go attack inanimate objects angry. So I'm not going to try and find out this time please don't tell me if they kill charlie.

If I ever murder someone it will probably be because they killed a beloved animal with a family and gave their delusional self-righteous nonsense as an excuse.


The man also pleaded guilty to one count of voyeurism and three counts of possessing extreme pornographic images relating to sexual acts involving a “dead/alive animal.”
These guilty pleas don't mean anything. I am a bit embarrassed it took nearly 10 years of my adult life to realize the obvious: When prosecutors have the ability to make deals if you plead guilty or give testimony of course it doesn't mean anything.

That is and always has been a flaw in the legal system. There should be no plea deals, no short cuts, no opportunities to frighten or intimidate defendants and witnesses. The key to ending corruption is to remove corrupt motivations and these deals as well as prosecutorial discretion is nothing but one big mountain of potentially corrupt motivation.

If they have proof then they need to prove it, not just convince the defendant/lawyer that the jury would be against them, as they would in this case due to irrational disgust.


And he copped to making indecent photographs or pseudo-photographs of children.
What is a pseudo-photograph?


First off I just want to apologize to my family, my friends, my community, I know I caused a lot of hurt and a lot of shame and a lot of mistrust and I accept full responsibility for that. there is no excuse
There are plenty of excuses, but they will unethically punish you harder for using them so I understand why you would pretend to be sorry. Same thing happened with Jan 6 protestors, they were forced to sign letters of apology which were basically "orange-man is hitler, elections are perfect".

I consider any modification to punishment based on expressed moral opinion or contriteness to be forced speech and a violation of the 1st amendment.

Rosales still faces three felony charges in Washington County for sexual misconduct by school staff, as well as two charges of misconduct in office.
Doesn't sound like a criminal statute...


That hasn't been proven (the article proves nothing), but I don't think that law can be justified. If you want to blacklist him from working for the government again sure, but two consenting adults can do whatever the hell they want (morally).
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Her boyfriend was arrested as an accessory so I think he was the dog owner and in on it
McClure’s former boyfriend filed a criminal complaint on Aug. 7 at the police station’s front desk. According to Taylor police, the man produced surveillance video of McClure committing a sex act with his dog in the man’s living room.

“The complainant alleges he was randomly reviewing his home’s security video when he came across the footage,” police Lt. Frank Canning said.

Based on the evidence, Canning said police took the woman into custody, at which time she provided a detective with a confession.

The first charge against McClure is a 15-year felony and the second charge is a 93-day misdemeanor.

Animal rights scored a major point.

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Her boyfriend was arrested as an accessory so I think he was the dog owner and in on it
McClure’s former boyfriend filed a criminal complaint on Aug. 7 at the police station’s front desk. According to Taylor police, the man produced surveillance video of McClure committing a sex act with his dog in the man’s living room.
You are reading something else. There was no "McClure" in the link Wylted gave.


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  • That is and always has been a flaw in the legal system. There should be no plea deals, no short cuts, no opportunities to frighten or intimidate defendants and witnesses. The key to ending corruption is to remove corrupt motivations and these deals as well as prosecutorial discretion is nothing but one big mountain of potentially corrupt motivation.

Agreed. When you are innocent but a plea deal means you go home and fighting it means 3-6 months in jail as it often does with disadvantaged people than it isn't justice. Alfred pleas should be the first to go. 

Also it would be culturally insensitive to criticize the Chinese for eating a dog, but for some reason sucking that same dogs dick gets you put in jail
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Her boyfriend was arrested as an accessory so I think he was the dog owner and in on it
McClure’s former boyfriend filed a criminal complaint on Aug. 7 at the police station’s front desk. According to Taylor police, the man produced surveillance video of McClure committing a sex act with his dog in the man’s living room.
You are reading something else. There was no "McClure" in the link Wylted gave.
Sorry that was a similar story that popped up on the screen. Quite a few beastiality stories going around .
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Also it would be culturally insensitive to criticize the Chinese for eating a dog, but for some reason sucking that same dogs dick gets you put in jail
There is a difference in the two scenarios.

Eating the dog after it is killed . The dog does not feel any pain once it is dead.

The the second case the dog is fully aware of what is happening and is in no position to complain.
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The the second case the dog is fully aware of what is happening and is in no position to complain.
If you think a living dog is in no position to complain you've never met a dog.

Also if the "being alive" is the problem what about just killing the animal before sex? That make you feel better about it? <- this is a question that exposes the silliness, not an endorsement
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In the second case the dog is fully aware of what is happening and is in no position to complain.
If you think a living dog is in no position to complain you've never met a dog.

Also if the "being alive" is the problem what about just killing the animal before sex? That make you feel better about it? <- this is a question that exposes the silliness, not an endorsement
Dogs are known to be loyal to their owners. I am sure the pet was shocked to hear the owner arrested and fined for being sexually attracted to animals. Animals don’t have such moral codes except eat or be eaten.
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Dogs are known to be loyal to their owners.
Yes, they are. Loyalty is not measured by never complaining. I repeat: If you don't think a dog will communicate dissatisfaction at a state of affairs because of "loyalty" you haven't known a dog.

Loyalty means they won't abandon their pack, not that they won't communicate.


Animals don’t have such moral codes except eat or be eaten.
Reducing higher animal intelligence to "eat or be eaten" is a colossal oversimplification, but we don't need to talk about that unless you had a point?
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Dogs are known to be loyal to their owners.
Yes, they are. Loyalty is not measured by never complaining. I repeat: If you don't think a dog will communicate dissatisfaction at a state of affairs because of "loyalty" you haven't known a dog.

Loyalty means they won't abandon their pack, not that they won't communicate.


Animals don’t have such moral codes except eat or be eaten.
Reducing higher animal intelligence to "eat or be eaten" is a colossal oversimplification, but we don't need to talk about that unless you had a point?
In all the known cases of dogs being sexually abused. None were reported by dogs. They were all reported by people who knew the abuser.
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So by "is in no position to complain" you meant "can't call the police".

Irrelevant.

They can't complain if they're left outside in the cold without food either. Still people are allowed to keep dogs as pets because the possibility of abuse doesn't give you the right to prevent all relationships.
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Also it would be culturally insensitive to criticize the Chinese for eating a dog, but for some reason sucking that same dogs dick gets you put in jail
I was born in a world where most people have IQ of  100 or lower. They dont think in premises. They think in emotions. To them, "this feels like its bad, so its bad" is an only way of thinking. They dont even have logic.

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So by "is in no position to complain" you meant "can't call the police".

Irrelevant.

They can't complain if they're left outside in the cold without food either. Still people are allowed to keep dogs as pets because the possibility of abuse doesn't give you the right to prevent all relationships.
It is considered abuse if you leave your pet outside in the cold.
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It is considered abuse if you leave your pet outside in the cold.
Yes I know, that was the point.

Potential for abuse without ability to file a police report is irrelevant. There was a much more verbose exploration of this failed argument near the start of the this thread.
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It is considered abuse if you leave your pet outside in the cold.
Yes I know, that was the point.

Potential for abuse without ability to file a police report is irrelevant. There was a much more verbose exploration of this failed argument near the start of the this thread.
The majority of animals abuse cases are reported to the police by neighbours of the perpetrator.
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And?
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And?
The police file charges based on the information.
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And?
The animals are rescued.
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Listen let me know when you have a point and can remember the context of your own statements.
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Listen let me know when you have a point and can remember the context of your own statements.
The majority of animals abuse cases are reported to the police by neighbours of the perpetrator.
The police file charges based on the information.
The animals are rescued.
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Relevance?