it is irrational to argue that there's no evidence for the afterlife

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I don't know what religion you follow, but it's rather difficult to prove what you want to prove. 

I personally believe in afterlife because something so complex as consciousness can't just come out from matter, it must be eternal. I think afterlife could be elaborated as a hypothesis, though, because there is a good narrative that can make afterlife a consistent theory.
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it is irrational to argue that there is evidence if the evidence is unverifiable, not repeatable and not sourced in "death."

The afterlife (and the before life) are functions of faith and believers see them as "proven" only by dint of a selection of "testimony" that is driven by the same belief agenda.

The idea of debating something based in faith is a waste of time. The non-believer cannot be persuaded rationally to believe and the believer can not be persuaded not to.

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Your afterlife will be the same as your beforelife. Without a brain, you do not exist.
False. One can exist without a brain.


How about clouds? the skies? They do exist.. Being alive and staying alive necessarily involves some form of intelligence and thinking abilities.

So, at best, you may say: "without a brain, one may not think like an animal, human or insect" but that's about it.

And even this, is not scientifically true: plants have been proven to be aware and to possess intelligence, memory and learning abilities which allow them, for example, to communicate with fellow plants through high frequencies..
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Hmmmmmm.

I would suggest that there are currently three functioning levels.

Two relate to living matter and it's physical processes, and one relates solely to functioning physical processes.

Therein we can differentiate between sentient awareness, instinctive function and clouds.


I would further suggest that any residual energy that deceased matter imparts to the Universe is unlikely to possess sentient awareness or instinctive capability.

Rather, just the potential of it's component parts.


PS.

I did not wish to complicate this brief summary, with the possibilities that technology/AI might afford both now and in the future.
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Thanks. 

Two relate to living matter and it's physical processes, and one relates solely to functioning physical processes.
Therein we can differentiate between sentient awareness, instinctive function and clouds.
Can you elaborate please?

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When we die , there will be a bloke with a list.  A check list. 

One of my fave  "when we die"
A angle with a poison dripping sword  he decides, 
Remember that story.  Or i maybe remembering a iron maiden song. Rhyme of the ancient mariner.  

Or am i thinking about the angle Gabriel. 

I talk to plaques and tombstones.
Try visiting a loved ones grave and not talk to it.  
It appears that we can be " talk" to through graves. 

Do you want people to visit your grave ?   
It is silly to think you do butttttt it is silly to think you don't.  
It just .
Well It silly. 

I can't help but feel religion have ruined the thought of a place called  " heaven " . 
Of course it doesn't exist ( well i dont think it does ) 

With ai and tech. 
Not many people are buried whilst on life support. 

Also , you could put wires in ya hart, and at the grave you can have like a peddle thing for ya mates to " get you going again"  
Interactive.
You can have a slow release parcel shoot for messages. 
A knocker.  
And you cant leave util you roll snake eyes



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Graveyard slot machines.   
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Stephen Hawking said: “I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail.”   “There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.”
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@LolaLol
1. So if we look at the human mass, we see that it functions consciously. You think about what you do.

2. But if we look deeper we can see that the mass functions at a physical level.  Your body does stuff without you thinking about it.

3. Inorganic physical reactions and processes occur. Clouds form and it rains.




A Zedku for LolaLol.

We are aware of our function and existence but know not why,

And we fear non-existence and therefore hope for more.

But there is no real evidence for more, other than wishful thinking.


So bury me under a sapling and I will bequeath it my component parts.

And the sapling will convert my components into a might tree.

Life after death.



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When we die they announce the "winners" within 1 min. 

Winners like .  
There is a god and The Mormans are the correct ones .
Or
There is a god and the Muslims are the closest to being correct.  
Orrrrrr
There is NO god and the atheists win. 

We lot on this site will die andddd when they announce the atheists as the winners .
We be all like fist pumping with a big grin ear to ear.  Hahahahaha 
Laughter,  and happiness.  

Then our next thought wont be self pres
it will be Thinking about the stupid believers that believed in gods. 
Ive a funny feeling ,  I'm gonna die and i will be thinking about how the brother D , and the others   was completely wrong. 

Then it will be oh fuck , im dead . 
I'll start crying and shit .  
Get real scared.  

With a quick one second grin inbetween  because you just remembered how you were right being a atheist. 

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In death we will wish we can still post posts because you'd know all the answers to alllllll questions posted in the religious forum. 

Posts like 
There is no evidence for a afterlife will become moot.  
For There could in fact be.  "once there"
 

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A week into death you will find it funny that NO mention and or talk of a bloke named jesus christ has popped up. 

Because what does a bloke named jesus christ  have to do with being dead. 

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Two weeks after death your spirit animal has been assigned and the transformation begins.

By week 5 after death you are pretty much fully aware you are now a baby puffin. 
You then navigate life as so. 




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If anyone wants me to tell them what animal they will come back as.
Please feel free to ask. 
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Please tell me what animal I'll come back as. 
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An Arabian charger 
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We used to have a horse on our farm Deb. My auntie landed it home one time, lonely after the workhorses when everything turned mechanical. Had a donkey too. Both completely neglected, spent 20 years below in an out of the way overgrown field together. I mightn't lay eyes on them for months and months at a time. Both male. That horse raped that donkey daily for 20 years. Big cock on the fucker too. 
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Both dead now. Do you think god put them out on a nice cloud together? 
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Hehe
I was gonna mention ya big cock. 
But umm yeah. 
Thats what you'll be.   

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Once when I was a kid I brought a buddy down to see them. We didn't go past the gate and they were deep in the field, but ended up we were throwing decent rocks high in the air in their general direction. 

Nothing hit but I feel guilty every time I see a horse ever since. 
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Anyone think my horse and donkey in the field is strangely Edenic? Donkey surely starts enjoying it after a point. Eat grass from the ground. Water was always just there. My auntie would bring them a couple of carrots every 6 months maybe. Nice treat. 
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How is it irrational? Half the human population thinks the universe and everything in it is just a freak accident.
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@n8nrgim
 i'll probably take the debate to other debate websites too,
Those websites being?

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I speak for myself, that's why I say it's difficult to prove it. But if anyone has ever had an extrasensory experience corroborated by others this one could say it's irrational without doubting.

How could you explain several dudes dreaming the same thing that comes true later on? How could you explain the clairvoyance that is accurate in its predictions? How could you explain the psychic abilities of people experiencing an out of body experience? You can't believe if you don't experience it at first hand.
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Do you believe people can be hypnotized ?
And do stuff like act like a chicken.

I believe atheists find this subject ummmm, nor here nor there. 
A grey area.  
  

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I saw hypnotized people doing stuff that couldn't pull off if awaken. That proves mind can do everything.
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Another funny thing is sadaic suppression i think its called. 

Thats how one cant see ones eyes move in a mirror.
I dont know what this has to do with anything butttttttt. 
its just odd thinking about it. 

 
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Oh thats saccadic suppression.  
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@IlDiavolo
Mind games.

People who experience extrasensory experiences, and their corroborators.

Are usually people who want to experience extrasensory experiences and corroborate them.


Whereas other people are content with their lot, and not so bothered.
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A persons past behavior is the best indication for a persons future behavior.