Canada's truckers are victims but arrested protesters in Russia deserve it.

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That is utter bullshit. One party states like California and New York have had 50 years to tax the rich with State taxes, and yet they instead pass tax evasion for the rich like SALT deductions only when the far left is in control of Congress.

Is that what you mean by "only so much?"
Cherrypicking corrupt moments of specific governors is something that will backfire if you want me to nitpick and dig into Republican governor decisions.

I am not here to just say that Republicans play dirtier (they do) but that they stand for something that cons the working class of a certain type to believe the government is 'taking' more than 'providing' for them and the way this is perpetuated in America is to never allow the left wing enough leeway to ever prove otherwise. 

In all nations where a liberal and progressive left-wing party got actual leeway to act, it was the right-wing party and entire nation that shifted left permanently whereas the left-wing does more swinging towards and away from the centre depending on the power of duping that right-wing propaganda is having on the frustrated working class at any given election.
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wealthy people get the hell out of the Republican states, generally speaking and go for either centrist or left-leaning states where the standard of living is more decent.
Bullshit. The wealthy go where they get screwed the least and where the politicians stay bought. 

Florida is way nicer to live in than Chicago or New York.
Florida is a perpetual swing state, no?

You can't blame either party for Florida overall, both are shifting to a centre that keeps itself altering.
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In all nations where a liberal and progressive left-wing party got actual leeway to act...
That's not a real defense of Pelosi's SALT bullshit. How about defending reality instead of hypotheticals for a change?
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Why don't you try and defend Pelosi's SALT bullshit?
I am not a fan of Nancy Pelosi's politics. I am not sure what you want me to defend, she is one of the least left-leaning Dems in history.
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I am not a fan of Nancy Pelosi's politics. I am not sure what you want me to defend, she is one of the least left-leaning Dems in history.
Like her or not, her politics are the reason California is currently a caste state with ultra rich and the ultra poor.
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And what happens in Russia for you to be supporting it in this war?

Calling the 'special military operation' a war like you just did could get you up to a 15 year sentence.

Stay out of Russia.
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Not for long.  Putin broke the only really profitable business in the whole Russian economy.  I hope we get away from fossil fuels so fast now that Putin's left selling coal to China for 3 cents per ton.
Then what'll most likely happen is we will become dependent on the even more evil and dangerous Chinese for the rare earth metals needed to make that many electric cars
sounds like a mistake worth avoiding
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sounds like a mistake worth avoiding
That article doesn’t make me too optimistic. They set aside $30million in the $2 Trillion plan for figuring out how to set up a rare earth supply chain. They say that our allies like the EU have materials but no expertise on separation and battery making, and at the bottom of the article it says it could take a decade without their help (which we might not even get because of the big environmental concerns they mentioned).

I have no problems with transitioning to EV, but it was foolish for Biden to shoot ourselves in the foot to try to force our hand in the manner (assuming he is Machiavellian and not just dumb). Stopping construction of the pipeline would have lowered our dependence on Russia and would have given us breathing space to transition to EV instead of forcing our hand. Now we have to scramble to get our supply chains ready, and it will be a much messier switch than we had hoped ($4+ gas prices, expensive/limited quantities of electric cars)

And this is all assuming that our companies will pay higher than the slave wage prices they currently do from China, another reason we lost production. We can start another trade war, but I’m not sure the old timer is up to it
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Are you saying you don't think the bloodshed and tyranny even prior to this invasion by Putin is very similar to the Fascist style of leadership that Hitler ran? Prisons in Russia run similar to the Gulags that Stalin had, just this time with a slightly higher aim to keep the prisoners not starving.
I think Putin resembles Hitler about as much as or less than most other authoritarian historical leaders. The intensity of oppression isn’t even remotely similar nor is the level of control, so how about we all be good historians and find better comparisons instead of making such inflammatory comments?

Also, (related to OP) freezing the assets of trucker protestors as if they were terrorists does not need to be compared to Russia’s treatment of protestors. They are both clearly not good

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I have no problems with transitioning to EV, but it was foolish for Biden to shoot ourselves in the foot to try to force our hand in the manner (assuming he is Machiavellian and not just dumb).
Democrats (at least those in non-oil producing districts)  have been calling for an end to the oil economy since the Santa Barbara disaster of 1969 and the 1973 Oil Embargo.  Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the White House and Ronald Reagan made their removal a priority.  Clinton and Obama invested in clean energy.  Bush invented a war to make sure the US increased its dependency on foreign oil.  Trump rolled back more than 100 Obama Era clean energy initiatives and actively supported new pipelines in the Middle East, Europe, and North America.

Stopping construction of the pipeline would have lowered our dependence on Russia and would have given us breathing space to transition to EV instead of forcing our hand.
?  Biden halted the XL pipeline with a stroke of a pen.  Biden actively opposed Nord Stream since he was a Senator in 1997 and as a VP on behalf of Ukraine but US has little influence in that deal.  Not sure how you could fault any Democrats before faulting most Republicans on pipeline construction.

Now we have to scramble to get our supply chains ready, and it will be a much messier switch than we had hoped ($4+ gas prices, expensive/limited quantities of electric cars)
Blame do nothing ever  Republicans and the oil companies that finance their campaigns.  85% of oil money donations went to Trump in the last campaign.  Oil has been a top 5 industry GOP campaign donor since the 1960s.  GOP policies have always favored big oil as a result.

And this is all assuming that our companies will pay higher than the slave wage prices they currently do from China, another reason we lost production. We can start another trade war, but I’m not sure the old timer is up to it
One advantage of coming late to the rare metals game is that we can extract those resources cleaner and cheaper than China in the long run if we pay more up front.   US tech has already designed functional prototypes for every type of automated machine required to mine.  We could build miner-free mines that create plenty of high tech jobs on the surface but require little to no high risk exposure to the actual mines.  It would cost more up front but then we could be outstripping China in terms of output and environmental impact within a decade.  Let's also remember that most rare earths are highly recyclable and such programs might provide a significant alternative to extraction.

Let's do this.  The price of gas was always going to increase forever until nobody can afford it anymore.  Might as well push up the timeline and make the transition now.  Reserve our oil for defense, which is going to take a much longer time to transition to effective renewables, and for plastics- we are going to need a lot of plastic in the future.
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I guess we will see if Biden's "war on oil" gives him the boost his ratings so desperately needs.
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Democrats (at least those in non-oil producing districts)  have been calling for an end to the oil economy since the Santa Barbara disaster of 1969 and the 1973 Oil Embargo.  Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the White House and Ronald Reagan made their removal a priority.  Clinton and Obama invested in clean energy.  Bush invented a war to make sure the US increased its dependency on foreign oil.  Trump rolled back more than 100 Obama Era clean energy initiatives and actively supported new pipelines in the Middle East, Europe, and North America.
There has obviously been a partisan divide. I don't know the details of those 100 clean energy initiatives that were rolled back. It looks like some rollbacks were good for practical reasons (leaving Paris agreement, arbitrary fuel economy regulations) and some were bad (airborne mercury regulations weakened).

You pose this in a negative light that Republicans are constantly undoing progress towards green energy, which is true, but you neglect that Democrats try to weaken our current strengths in oil, natural gas, and coal which all provide fairly efficient and cheap energy. (And Democrats tend to oppose nuclear power for some reason- the cleanest efficient power source). Also, while I'd prefer new pipelines to be made here, having pipelines abroad would reduce our reliance on OPEC/Russia and put it more towards allies at the very least, as well as having the benefit of cheaper fuel across the globe.

Meanwhile Germany has very expensive power due to their large quick shift to "green energy". I don't want that here. It seems that in the meantime, we should support fossil fuels and make them as clean as possible (working on carbon recapture tech, for example) while we also support research into making green energy actually viable, as some only work when the weather behaves a certain way and massive amounts of batteries would be needed. Whereas with, say, coal, if you need more or less energy, you just burn more or less coal to meet the need.

?  Biden halted the XL pipeline with a stroke of a pen.  Biden actively opposed Nord Stream since he was a Senator in 1997 and as a VP on behalf of Ukraine but US has little influence in that deal.  Not sure how you could fault any Democrats before faulting most Republicans on pipeline construction.

I apologize, I mistyped. I meant to say that stopping construction of the XL pipeline increased our dependence on Russian oil.

Blame do nothing ever  Republicans and the oil companies that finance their campaigns.  85% of oil money donations went to Trump in the last campaign.  Oil has been a top 5 industry GOP campaign donor since the 1960s.  GOP policies have always favored big oil as a result.

And prior to 2016, green energy companies have provided more money to Democrats than Republicans. Numbers from 2014 said 70% went to Democrats. Pretty hard to find exact numbers, but that's what Reuters mentioned. Oddly enough, 2016 and 2018 had more go to Republicans. There isn't necessarily a causal relationship between getting money and the policies. Maybe oil companies are more likely to support the party that isn't openly hostile to their business. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-solar/clean-energy-sector-swings-republican-with-u-s-campaign-donations-idUSKBN1I31DZ

Let's do this.  The price of gas was always going to increase forever until nobody can afford it anymore.  Might as well push up the timeline and make the transition now.  Reserve our oil for defense, which is going to take a much longer time to transition to effective renewables, and for plastics- we are going to need a lot of plastic in the future.

I'm really not opposed to that, it just seems that you would like to do it on a much shorter timeline and with more top-down pressure to push the current huge fossil fuels industries out. I think that the way you propose it would make it incredibly expensive to heat houses and keep the lights on. The price of gas would eventually increase until nobody could afford it, but that would not have happened for many decades.

I think that we could realistically switch to almost entirely green energy in 20 years without all of the growing pains.
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I think that we could realistically switch to almost entirely green energy in 20 years without all of the growing pains.
The IPCC says we have 7 years to cut global greenhouse emissions in half to avoid +1.5C increase by 2050.  The US outputs 28% of those emission so if we just brought our global contribution to climate down to our fair share (5%) of pollution by 2030 we'd be halfway to that goal, but that would mean reducing our current output by better than 80%.  Very doable,  totally essential to long term human survival but profoundly unpopular with the  "freedom convoy" set.  

Still, if we are of roughly the same mindset (I agree that super safe nuclear is probably an essential component) and the main difference is between a 7 year timeline vs a 20 year timeline then I call that a difference with which we can proceed and see how plans play out.

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The IPCC says we have 7 years to cut global greenhouse emissions in half to avoid +1.5C increase by 2050.
IPCC says a lot of unfounded predictions. Profiteering on prophecies is as old as the Bible.

If we learned anything from the fall of Ukraine, the future of the planet rests with nations willing to answer the question whether it's worth reducing the standard of living of a nation in the hopes of magical unseen solutions or is it better to rule a 1 degree warmer world and just deal with it with existing technology.

Clearly, China and Russia have chosen the latter. Since we can't win a war with either of them, mostly due to our willing regression into an impractical luddite lifestyle, the climate war is also over as well.
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Undoubtedly the Right Wing. In fact, all of those factors are there because the country is leftist
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Those problems are more prominent in countries that are more right-wing, like Nigeria for instance.
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Still, if we are of roughly the same mindset (I agree that super safe nuclear is probably an essential component) and the main difference is between a 7 year timeline vs a 20 year timeline then I call that a difference with which we can proceed and see how plans play out.
Yeah, I don’t see too much disagreement here other than the timeline. Quite impressive. Believe it or not, not all conservatives are fine with polluted water and smog.

But one thing I would disagree with would be that you say our fair share is 5% based on our population size. I do think we are polluting more than our fair share, but I’d say the number is closer to 15%. That’s roughly our share of global GDP. I think that having a goal based on population is too restrictive for more productive countries.

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The intensity of oppression isn’t even remotely similar nor is the level of control, so how about we all be good historians and find better comparisons instead of making such inflammatory comments?
Try saying the war is even happening there or a word about Putin or being gay.
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Try saying the war is even happening there or a word about Putin or being gay.
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I’ll take you up on all of those. I’ll say that the war is happening- The Ethiopian civil war

Then I’ll say many words about how benevolent of a leader that Putin is.

Finally I’ll top it off with being gay- I’ll show my elation that Russia has such a great guy running the show.

Not sure anything will happen to me, but I’ll sure try it and let you know how it goes!

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Thanks for reminding me why you are blocked.
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You’re welcome! <3
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Croatia has better standard of living than some British cities but they have the greatest concentration of far-right groups in Europe
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Have you ever been to Croatia and Britain or just talking out of your ass?

Obviously the roughest British cities are rougher than the least rough areas of Croatia.
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Croatia>Britain
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You are against porn, drugs and prostitution right? Do you know how much human trafficking and drug smuggling, Croatia is involved with?
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much less than Britain, that's for sure. Porn, drugs, and prostitution is all lower
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Oh you mean the ones that get caught? Yeah, that's called corruption. 

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This is what matters. I read the articles and most of them seem to be about small groups of criminals, not general society problems

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What is a general society problem then? Suicide rates?

You think there is no suicide in Croatia? What is your angle?
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I can absolutely guarantee you that alcoholism and drug abuse is worse in Croatia than UK.