Discuss.
Someone should give Ukraine some nukes
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@badger
I think Iran should give them some nukes. Then maybe we can all be friends.
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@badger
I think Russia will fire a nuclear missile into Chernobyl within a week.
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@FLRW
Want to bet? we can make a debate on that topic and ask people to vote for whoever is right. I'll even let it be "nuke anywhere within a month" rather than "nuke Chernobyl within a week"
I totally agree with this, Russia is on my nerves. Putin always has something smart to say on the youtube. I can't deal with seeing his old face anymore. Can we please just send nukes wherever he's eating dinner at please? PLEASE. Dictators deserve to rot, and I'm here for this discussion.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Dosvedanya
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@FLRW
bye
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@badger
The most disgusting aspect of this is they gave it all up in a deal with Russia in 1997, to allow them full severeignty in exchange. Putin is exploiting the very weakness they allowed themeves to have in order to keep Russia peaceful towards them.
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@badger
Let's recall that Ukraine was the third largest nuclear power in the world in 1991 when it separated from the Soviet Union including an estimated 1,900 strategic warheads, 176 ICBMs, and 44 strategic bombers. Ukraine handed those nukes over to Russia in exchange for Russia's promise to respect Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial borders with the US and the UK were the guarantors of that treaty and at considerable logistical and diplomatic expense to the US. That is, in 1994 the US and the UK promised Ukraine that we would make sure that Russia would never invade them they way Russia has done over the past 8 years. Ukraine held up its end of the bargain and Russia has belligerently violated every promise they made in 1994.
I think one city getting nuked here is acceptable. Russian or Ukrainian, either way. It'll be something for the Gen Z to stop in awe of. We all had 9/11, and our lives are the richer for it. One little nuke, is all.
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@badger
Would you find it good taste humour if GB vs Ireland happened?
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@oromagi
I would like you to rewrite We Didn't Start the Fire up there in the artistic expressions board. Could be a forum game even, team effort. There's a lot gone on since 1989.
That Belgian fellow posting gave me the idea. That's a definite Hall of Fame thread.
@RM
Maybe, maybe not. But I wouldn't begrudge a Ukrainian being entertained.
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@badger
Disgusting taste in comedy.
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@badger
Maybe that'd encourage Russia to give nukes to countries 'We, Aren't so friendly with?
Humans deserve nuclear war. But guys like Putin won't destroy the world because they would never destroy their own selves.
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@badger
-->@oromagiI would like you to rewrite We Didn't Start the Fire up there in the artistic expressions board. Could be a forum game even, team effort. There's a lot gone on since 1989.
but that's such a terrible song.
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@badger
look, these Ukranians are very stupid people. They actually had an incredibly large supply of nukes that kept them safe from Russia, and they literally just handed them over, LOL
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@oromagi
I would have thought that song would be right up your alley. "Belgians in the Congo" is one of my most sung lyrics. Probably second only to "Mama, just killed a man".
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@badger
-->@oromagiI would have thought that song would be right up your alley. "Belgians in the Congo" is one of my most sung lyrics. Probably second only to "Mama, just killed a man".
I'm really more of a Dylan man myself.
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@RationalMadman
We resort to Rugby Football these days.
Nonetheless, this thread is somewhat childish.
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@oromagi
He didn't like the melody. And it is a bit annoying, sure. But lyrically and just the idea of the song, this kaleidoscopic history, it's definitely awesome. I dunno, We Didn't Start the Fire gives me a burst of energy every time.
I also just realised the Big Bang Theory intro definitely rips off We Didn't Start the Fire. You can't say it's not an iconic song.
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@zedvictor4
You're childish.
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@badger
It's the opposite rip-off (it's called taking inspiration) to what you're thinking.
BBT Intro had the instrument sort of style and sort of 'way of rhythm' but the melody is definitely different.
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@badger
We are due for a natural culling of the survival of the fittest. A market correction.
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@badger
seize the means of nuclear production and distribute it evenly among each nation
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@oromagi
whatever Russia is doing now is wrong. But consider this perspective
NATO has been cajoling Ukraine to join the treaty and no country I repeat no country(Russia here) would like to surround itself with neighbours having adversary forces. Post the disintegration of Soviet NATO has been pushing Russia to the corner. Also when Ukraine went for disarmament it was given that it won't cosy up to NATO. Larger blame for this situation goes to NATO. Though Russia is also no holy cow.
Also, consider repercussions- What sanctions Russia is facing vs response during US misadventures during Iraq war, Vietnam, Syria, and a lot of Middle East. Russia is taking a leaf out of the US playbook. The sad thing is Ukraine is suffering in this new Great Game.
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@neeraj9107
NATO has been cajoling Ukraine to join the treaty
This is false. Ukraine had an election regarding NATO membership in 2008, 58% of Ukrainians supported membership, an application was filed and denied by NATO out of fears of provoking Russia. NATO gave Putin the space he demanded and Putin criminally abused the diplomatic deference Europe demonstrated.
and no country I repeat no country(Russia here) would like to surround itself with neighbours having adversary forces.
Ukraine is a sovereign democracy and as such need not give one single fuck about what Russia thinks about its own defense program. The US doesn't let Mexico tell us how to secure our borders and there is no reason Ukraine should have to bow to the wishes of rogue dictators just because they live next door and are angry they can't control Ukrainian politics all the time.
Post the disintegration of Soviet NATO has been pushing Russia to the corner.
This is quite false and ignorant of recent history. NATO has spent huge amounts of time and capital in an effort to bring 21st century democracy to Russia which Russia squandered by letting the KGB take over and take away their right to self-governance.
Also when Ukraine went for disarmament it was given that it won't cosy up to NATO.
Which NATO respected and Putin disrespected with criminal intent and cruel violence beginning in 2014.
Larger blame for this situation goes to NATO. Though Russia is also no holy cow.
This is entirely wrong-headed and disrespects the massive historic efforts NATO made to encourage democracy in Russia. The blame is 100% on Russians for letting mad dictators take away their nation and the only moral correction now is for the Russian people to arrest/execute Putin as soon as they are able, whatever the cost, and take back governance of their country.
Also, consider repercussions- What sanctions Russia is facing vs response during US misadventures during Iraq war, Vietnam, Syria, and a lot of Middle East.
Democracy loving liberals across the West opposed all of these misadventures. Russia has applied many harsh economic sanctions on NATO countries many times, the difference being that Western democracies are far less dependent on Russian money/exports than Russia is on the West. Russian oligarchs suck huge amount of money out of Russia and give it to Western democracies in exchange for castles, yachts, private school educations, etc which is why these sanction have political power. The Russian people should demand govt that responsibly builds a sustainable economy for Russians and arrest these criminals running their country immediately.
Russia is taking a leaf out of the US playbook. The sad thing is Ukraine is suffering in this new Great Game.
Russian dictators had been slaughtering Ukrainians and taking their shit since 1169, centuries before there was a United States of America. Nothing new about it.