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@lady3keys
Also, don't forget that Trump was building a Trump Tower in Moscow, but Putin told him to not do it while he was running for President.
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America isn't going to do anything about this. People who won't endure blocked off streets and loud noise to protect freedom certainly won't go to war to protect freedom either.
The fall of Ukraine mirrors the fall of Afghanistan, and Biden can't do anything about it as usual.
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@FLRW
Hopefully 3 more years of blaming the Orangeman will keep freedom safe from Putin.
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@lady3keys
You actually think Trump would broker peace?
Well ya. That’s what he did during his presidency. Bringing Arab countries and Israel together is a massive feat. Trump didn’t start any new wars either.
As soon as Biden’s here Putin invades. Just like in 2014 in Crimea
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@ILikePie5
A reporter asked Biden today why he is refusing to personally sanction Putin now.
Biden ignored the question. Who is the actual puppet here?
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@Greyparrot
The fall of Ukraine mirrors the fall of Afghanistan, and Biden can't do anything about it as usual.
It was Trump who withdrew most of our troops in Afghanistan. Biden merely finished the job.
And Biden is doing plenty BTW, along with 30 other sovereign nations and full UN collaboration.
53% of Americans do not want us to send troops into this Russian-provoked war. But they DO want us to support them in every other way we can!
But the U.S. WILL defend ALL of our NATO allies with troops if necessary.
I wish Biden spoke more forcefully, I do. But just because he doesn't speak charismatically, doesn't mean he doesn't "speak softly and carry a BIG stick"!
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@ILikePie5
Also, why the F is Biden smiling while answering questions about the fall of Ukraine?
What is the big joke here?
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@lady3keys
I wish Biden spoke more forcefully, I do. But just because he doesn't speak charismatically, doesn't mean he doesn't "speak softly and carry a BIG stick"!
He didn't say anything at all when asked why he didn't personally sanction Putin and isn't now doing so. Speak softly doesn't mean say nothing.
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@Lemming
It 'sounds, though I am unsure, that Crimea, wants to be part of Russia,Though that was in 2014.
I don't really trust the results of referendums or polls conducted in areas dominated by Putin's thugs. However, Crimea is beside the point. Russia already controls Crimea, and they are now invading the rest of Ukraine. Their stated motives are the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine. Denazification is beyond absurd. Demilitarization is also ridiculous. Ukraine does have a decent military, but they aren't threatening anyone with it, least of all Russia.
Justification. . .I'm not sure I can call it conventionally good,But I 'can understand conquest for self survival,Mastery of one's surroundings, that one's tribe does not falter.It's a reasonable justification, though it may not match up to one's 'morals.
Conquest for self-survival is only a valid motive if a country's survival is actually being threatened. There is absolutely no one threatening Russia's survival, especially not Ukraine. Some of Putin's parrots claim that NATO is a threat to Russia, but that is baseless propaganda. NATO is a purely defensive alliance; no one believes they are going to invade Russia. Furthermore, they are only an economic threat to Russia when Russia is attacking its neighbors. The one and only thing that Putin has to do to neutralize the threat of NATO is to not invade other countries.
I understand that you're trying to be fair and balanced here, but Putin has no justification for what he's doing. Ukraine is a threat to exactly nobody. There is no cause to invade them.
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@ILikePie5
Welcome back!
Thanks!
And Biden is doing plenty BTW, along with 30 other sovereign nations and full UN collaboration.
PM Chamberlain had exactly the same response when Poland fell. The measure of a competent leader is to prevent these things from happening, not "wisely" proclaim it's bad after it happens.
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@Greyparrot
A reporter asked Biden today why he is refusing to personally sanction Putin now.Biden ignored the question. Who is the actual puppet here?
Biden answered that "it" was still on the table. But it did piss me off that he didn't say WHY he wasn't sanctioning Putin himself -- and why not now!
As to who is the actual puppet here?
Trump is without a doubt the puppet!
Trump will ALWAYS act in his own best interests, not the country's best interests. This makes him EXTREMELY exploitable by dictators like Putin.
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@lady3keys
But it did piss me off that he didn't say WHY he wasn't sanctioning Putin himself -- and why not now!
Why did that part upset you?
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@lady3keys
Trump is without a doubt the puppet!
It just seems really odd if Putin had control of a president that he took no action at all against Ukraine for 4 years, but immediately made a move after the fall of Afghanistan within a matter of months under a president he supposedly had no influence over.
The actions just don't line up with the propaganda.
I probably have more cultural and ideological ties to the average Russian than the average American. Which is why I am supporting Russia.
dont let your anger towards our disgusting ruling class turn pathological. Putin has started a war and because of that many many people are going to die. Russia is not a beacon of traditionalism, it’s a pathetic shithole ruled by oligarchs even more corrupt than ours, and while we obviously shouldn’t get involved militarily this isn’t something to celebrate
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@SirAnonymous
Well, so far I agree with the people saying we ought be taking action for Ukraine, rather than Russia,
But I don't learn much, just by saying that.
Fair point on Crimea, and the bogus sounding claims for invasion.
I'm not sure that Ukraine 'isn't a threat to Russia,
Certainly it's closeness, ties to other nations makes it a potential threat to Russia, I'd figure,
Possible it has strategic resources, that benefit Russia, if claimed.
The ships, planes, trains of the modern era,
Internet, phones, TVs,
The world is so much smaller,
Even back in 1776,
I suppose the world 'seemed larger,
Conflicts easy to avoid, no need worry on the world,
But as I think on it, even that was an illusion back then.
Mongol Empire was 'huge,
British Empire was 'huge,
It's the mere 'existence of others, you see,
Competitors, equal, greater, or potential threats, within arms reach even.
From the view of a 'leader, as I see it,
Conflict is now inevitable,
Even if the nuke makes people leery,
"Politics is war without bloodshed" - Mao
Maybe it's too many games of Civilization,
But the map has a way of sorting out into bigger factions,
I always preferred playing, where I'd only attack if attacked, since the AI 'would eventually attack,
But other times they'd attack late, only after they'd eaten others up.
. . .
. . . Yassine asked me what America 'ought do, and I think I'll still not say,
But a reasonable position, it seems to me, is advance one's own narrative,
Culture, blood, politics, power, position,
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It's seen before, small tribes uniting into larger ones,
It's what I expect of the future.
Ahh, but I'm rambling, a tad incoherent, up too long, though I'll stay up a while longer.
The point I'm trying to make though, is that from my view, all countries survival 'are in question,
But it's highly likely my view is warped,
So I'm not 'certain on the idea.
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@Greyparrot
@#74
One 'could argue Putin is moving 'now, in order to make Trump and similar position individuals, look stronger?
Conjecture though.
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@Lemming
Putin's prize is the Black Sea access, not Trump. I'm pretty sure every objective person knows this now if they couldn't figure it out the past 5 years.
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@Greyparrot
PM Chamberlain had exactly the same response when Poland fell. The measure of a competent leader is to prevent these things from happening, not "wisely" proclaim it's bad after it happens.
If you think Biden "proclaimed" it to be bad "after" it happened, you haven't been paying attention. Ukraine is not the US, so Biden didn't have to prevent anything, although he used every diplomatic means available to him and the rest of the free world.
In a democracy we don't punish people for what they "might" do.
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@lady3keys
In a democracy we don't punish people for what they "might" do.
That platitude is not much consolation for the dead people in Ukraine right now.
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@Lemming
One 'could argue Putin is moving 'now, in order to make Trump and similar position individuals, look stronger?Conjecture though.
What is far more likely is that Russians sent misinformation to Trump's political enemies to get him out of the picture. If you have been following the Durham investigation, that is objectively what actually happened.
It’s impossible for me to tell if Ukraine is actually fighting back successfully or if that’s just western propaganda. Does anyone know? I expected them to fold within 24 hours which seems very unlikely to happen now
All of this is happening because of Biden’s weakness and incompetence in foreign policy. Period. Full Stop.
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@Lemming
Yassine is a Sharia propganda mouthpiece, it would do you well to ignore what he says on international mattees. Dictators band together at times like this... Until their arrogance gets in the way.
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@thett3
Russia is starting slow and gradual, to avoid direct sanctions which China amd the Middle East will help them avoid (especially China). Israeli defense systems have been assisting Ukraine so far, it is why Russia isn't making it a steamroll.
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@RationalMadman
Israel???
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@thett3
Yeah shortly after the attack began the Kyiv MP (your US equivalent of governor) thanked Israel for assisting with defense systems anti-missile software and idk what else as well as medical assistance.
Russia is starting slow and gradual, to accept direct sanctions which China and the middle east will help them avoid (especially China). Israeli forces have been assisting Ukraine so far, it is why Russia isn't making it a steamroll.
That seems likely.
Biden refused to answer a question today about Chinese cooperation.
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@Lemming
Yassine asked me what America 'ought do, and I think I'll still not say,But a reasonable position, it seems to me, is advance one's own narrative,Culture, blood, politics, power, position,
It seems to me that to advance "one's own narrative" makes sense if it is non-violent. Otherwise it is pure fascist imperialism.
America "advances" democracy, for instance, but we usually only enter wars defensively (i.e. NATO).
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@Lemming
I'm not sure that Ukraine 'isn't a threat to Russia,Certainly it's closeness, ties to other nations makes it a potential threat to Russia, I'd figure,
Just because Ukraine is close to Russia and has ties with other nations doesn't make it a threat. By that logic, every country is a threat to its neighbors.
Possible it has strategic resources, that benefit Russia, if claimed.
Yes, Ukraine has resources. "I want your resources" is a genuine motivation - for a thief.
It's the mere 'existence of others, you see,Competitors, equal, greater, or potential threats, within arms reach even.From the view of a 'leader, as I see it,Conflict is now inevitable.
Yes, but it is only inevitable because of people like Putin. Death is also inevitable. So is plague, famine, and natural disaster. Just because something is inevitable doesn't make it good or right.
Maybe it's too many games of Civilization,But the map has a way of sorting out into bigger factions,I always preferred playing, where I'd only attack if attacked, since the AI 'would eventually attack,But other times they'd attack late, only after they'd eaten others up.
Civilization isn't reality. If it were, I would make Putin look like a tree-hugging pacifist hippy. Maps do often get sorted out into bigger factions. But again, being inevitable doesn't make it right.
The point I'm trying to make though, is that from my view, all countries survival 'are in question,But it's highly likely my view is warped,So I'm not 'certain on the idea.
That's a very general statement that doesn't really apply here. Yes, in an abstract, overarching sense, all countries' survival are in question. They rise, they fall, they rise again. However, barring the occasional unexpected disaster, they are not in constant danger of rising or falling. Russia is in no danger of falling because of Ukraine.