American Stereotype?

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New World order Doc.

Things move on.....Or have moved on.



I think that the UK. has already started to adapt....Colonialism came back to bite us in the backside in the 1960's

And Western Europe has bore the brunt of the effects of more recent Allied interference in the Middle East and North Africa.

Whereas there are still a lot of  insular thinking Americans,  unaffected by the huge changes in global demographics.


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@Lemming
I think it's possible,
America will grow more socialist in the future,
That further individual rights I like such as guns shall be lost,
That the Abrahamic religion in America will lose 'some ground,
'Might be that people will support Democratic Ideology stronger in the future,
- It is true that GenZ are f**** savage liberals. I recently read an article that reports 40% of GenZ identify as LGBTQ, like WTF happened???? We went from 2% to 40%...  As Nawawi rightly observed, any practice no matter how repulsive if normalized will become norm.


I think America will make at least 'small steps towards alternate forms of energy,
I think angry poor people might start up violence against the elite, at some point,
I think that meat substitute products will grow more common,
The existence of nukes, makes me doubtful are large scale 'military wars, instead there may be Cold Wars, Cyber Wars, Culture Wars,
I think America will lose bits of it's projected military power, as some countries look to exert greater autonomy and power.
- As a high official in the Pentagon said (forgot his name), the new technologies (such as drones & AI) will make the 12 trillion dollar US military arsenal obsolete. The USSR had a greater military might than the US, but the collapsed so did their military. Without advantages the US has today, such as GDP & USD & global control, it would not be able to maintain its 700 bases around the world, or even its military home. 


Just off the hip thoughts though,
Likely many will turn out incorrect.
Hm, also doesn't seem to be anything 'happy in there, ah well.
- What do you needs to happen.

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Sure, if you believe the nonsense he typed. He has not studied the history he prides himself on if he thinks the social democrats and their porn-addicted sons are the main reasons America is struggling.
- Then why don't you tell us what are the facts.


The reason all nations except social democracies have countless social issues is that they aren't even trying to solve them, they'd rather be wealthy than care or 'strong' than care etc.
- Do you have any proof of this? Or is this more of your feelings?


These countries that Yassine celebrates are all so chock-full of social and societal issues that they will genuinely never develop until they make more secular and well-reasoned compromises.
- Case in point, hence the title of this thread. It's really sad to see people so indoctrinated & so intellectually abused by 24/7 propaganda that they say shit like this without feeling awkward. You don't know how bad you have it because of so much indoctrination of "greatest country on Earth" you're subjected to constantly. I lived in so many countries around the world & I stayed in more than 20, why the hell would I live in a place like the US or France, when I can stay in Turkey, pay 30$ per person a month for universal care (with literally everything free, from surgery, dental care, birth, even cancer treatment, even medication), pay 300$ for the best apartment with the best amenities (a dozen malls, countless parks, theaters, water parks, aquariums, hundreds of restaurants, pools, sport complexes, hospitals...etc at walking distance), pay 10$ a month for public transportation (metros, ferries, buses, trams, trains.. available in abundance), pay 15$ for plane ticket to fo anywhere in this country, & 10$ for a high speed train... every part of this country is brimming with access & amenities. Everything here is done via app & mobile, I don't speak the language & I don't need to. Nobody bothers me, the government is not up my a** for taxes, of which I pay none... When I lived in France, the government literally takes money from my bank account, a dozen thousand euros, just because they decided to. There are no amenities in the suburbs, I had to live downtown & deal with all the noise & smoking to have better access to amenities. Every goddamn thing was a trial of bureaucracy. You pay almost a 1000$ in insurance a month, just so you pay for all treatment out of pocket unless it's > 3000$. Go home. 

- Think about this for a change: the minimum wage in Turkey is 4 times a family apartment average rent & 4 times a family social security package (includes universal healthcare & retirement). In the US or in France, the minimum wage is *half* a family apartment average rent, & even less for social security. 


Saudi Arabia recently allowed women to drive, yet it only allowed a woman to run in the olympics if she wore the full gear in the heat of a British Summer in 2012, I don't need to tell you that she lost and was on the verge of collapsing.
- Of course, degeneracy is all you care about, it's your symbol of development. Who cares if people are poor, as you as the women are naked. Or who cares if they are prosperous or educated or happy, when they women aren't naked. Disgusting! Also, no love lost for Saudis, but the country is much much better than yours. Virtually free universal healthcare, free education, virtually free transportation, virtually no taxes...etc. The women love it there, they have their own spaces, their own parks, their own malls, their own everything, even their own beaches. Women heaven.


This mentality and ethos needs to first be dealt with, they need a basic respect for all forms of life (even animals) not just say they do but show it through action and then they can begin to speak ill of nations that do that more than them.
- You have it backwards buddy. You must drill this through your head please, your propaganda maybe taken at face value in your countries, but it means nothing to the rest of the world (except the tiny minority who are happy slaves to the West). You seem to think that what they tell you you should believe about other countries actually extends to the people in those countries. That's just a fantasy. This isn't new either, Chomsky pointed this out back in the 1980s in his book Manufacturing Consent. In case you didn't know, many watch your programs & see the absurd violence, injustice & degeneracy going on in your countries. We see what happens to animals in your meat factories, we see the asinine hypocrisy in all of it. 


The US doesn't do it nearly as much as some other highly developed nations, it needs to at least partially subsidise its healthcare, the fact a poor person needs to be scared to even get an appointment to get checked for something, due to the cost, is a massive issue on its own.
- My bff was just telling me what he saw in San Fransisco, the insane homelessness & pathetic state of the city. You need to stop concerning yourself with other nations, & mind your business. You have more than enough to worry about.


You can know and be capable and still be arrogant, it's about how untouchable and invincible you feel in your haughty position and stance(s). Yassine presumes that everybody else needs to continually prove him wrong and he can just type whatever baseless opinion he fancies
- Projection much..?! Unlike your feelings & fantasies, I actually bring FACTS & NUMBERS to disprove your emotional outbursts. Chill...


and slap on some names of a couple Islamic scholars and therefore he's somehow proven that the US is crap, western europe is crap and that only dictatorships like China (which loathes Islam and is using the Taliban as a political pawn) are somehow superior and stronger.
- If you have a disagreement with what I say, by all means, show us your facts, or debate me. I'm always ready to debate & defend everything I believe in.

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@Yassine
Even ancient Empires could grow quite large,
If the UN keeps around,
If the USA keeps to it's peacekeeper 'look,
I imagine their influence will keep for a while,
Even when/if other countries gain military/societal parity.

I think I'd prefer not to say what I think the USA 'ought do.
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Even ancient Empires could grow quite large,
If the UN keeps around,
- The UN is just the global version of the local treaties imposed by dominating empires of the past on the lands & peoples they conquered. When they say rule-based world, they actually mean the rules imposed by the winners of WWII, the Allies, aka the permanent members of the UN. – Without the power to back their claim on world affairs (namely the economic & military power) these winners will not be able to maintain that control. 


If the USA keeps to it's peacekeeper 'look,
- That's the naive American perspective, the US is anything but peacekeeper... 


I imagine their influence will keep for a while,
Even when/if other countries gain military/societal parity.
- We are talking about military & economic dominance, not parity. A 100 years ago when they succeeded in dominating the world, 2/3rd of all human urban populations lived in the West. 50 years ago the Western urban population was equivalent to that of the rest of the developing world combined. In fact, there were twice as many urban Americans than urban people in China. In a couple of decades that ratio will fall to 10%. Why am I saying this? The urban population is the effective population of a nation, where much of the power resides. The boomer generation in the US -in control today- grew up in a world where power balance between West & Rest was so one-sided, the thought of anything but perpetual dominion could not be imagined. The Rest then was just coming out of Colonialism & becoming a stage for Cold War proxy wars. Things have changed since, & are changing fast. The upcoming generation will grew up in a world where West is but a small fraction of the world.


I think I'd prefer not to say what I think the USA 'ought do.
- Now, you must.

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@Yassine
If the upcomers choose the UN,
The rules applied by the winners,
By benefit or habit,
If the winners 'keep together,
Situation will last a while, I 'think.

No, I don't think there's anyone in America who'll follow my thoughts through,
And my thoughts on the matter 'are a bit much,
So I'll leave my thoughts to rest, for now.
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Porn is the most ancient entertainment on Earth, it just used to be belly dancers, sketch artists and prostitutes.
True, but porn has always been present in collapsed and post-glorious societies. The US was better when porn wasn't so widespread
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    New World order Doc.

    Things move on.....Or have moved on.



    I think that the UK. has already started to adapt....Colonialism came back to bite us in the backside in the 1960's

    And Western Europe has bore the brunt of the effects of more recent Allied interference in the Middle East and North Africa.

    Whereas there are still a lot of  insular thinking Americans,  unaffected by the huge changes in global demographics.
    UK has been bad for a while
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    @Dr.Franklin
    The US has never been better than it is today, in terms of progress. Covid and Trump's Teem maybe can be excluded but even then the progress is irrefutable.
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    @Dr.Franklin
    Oh yeah, tons of people believe that the Constitution was an extension of God's Covenant and that it is the actual government for Christians. Again, this is an OT theme. Of course it's incorrect because it was actually based on Enlightenment deist ideas.
    - What do your personal opinion about it?


    Have you heard of Tytler's Cycle? It is really actually similar to the Islamic philosopher you named. It basically argues that democracy is a cycle. It begins with courage, bondage and tight knit communities. Then, they receive liberty and the society prospers financially but has overabundance. As a result, "liberty" is reshaped meaning "do whatever you want to do" and immorality spreads through the land. And then, decadence and death. Here is a good summary. It is fascinating to see different cultures can come up with the same conclusion on ideas.
    - Of course, because they are looking at the same facts in History. Ibn Khaldun saw nations as living organisms, going from birth to youth... to old age & death. A famous quote of his you might've heard of, "hard times make strong men, strong men make easy times, easy times make weak men, weak men make hard times".


    A lot. But to summarize, there just needs to be courage and awareness. Awareness of the fact that America is declining and courage to fight it. Unfortunately I am not very hopeful, especially when are means to fight back are completely castrated. There is basically no political solution as congress is a rigged game determined by the plutocracy. 
    - I also believe the only solution for the West to maintain a future for their grandchildren is to go back to faith & reconcile with the rest of the world. The obscene wealth they built up at the expense of the peace & wellbeing of all other peoples may have maximized their own immediate wellbeing & self-gratification but it also put the wellbeing of their future generations at huge risk. – But I very much doubt any of it will happen, for death is inevitable. Ibn Khaldun also talks about six stages of a nation's life, the last being when Power is lost but replaced with Prestige. They dress the same & look the same, but their power is only in that others still believe they have it from appearance when they actually don't.  
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    @RationalMadman
    The US has never been better than it is today, in terms of progress. Covid and Trump's Teem maybe can be excluded but even then the progress is irrefutable.
    - Again with the fantasies, unless you mean by "progress" LGBTQZ & gender pronouns & shit. It is exactly because of the appearance of things that nations collapse. Decadence occurs at the height of a nation's prosperity, which only makes the decadent society even more comfortable with their practices, for they believe they must be doing something right else how are they so prosperous. As to your nonsense, let's see... deindustrialization, per capita industry today is less than 20 years ago, worker wages today are barely what they were 40 years ago, household debt is 50% larger than GDP, national debt as well, cost of higher education doubled, healthcare as well, much of US wealth is essentially future money (aka debt), from stock exchange, USD, all sorts of Ponzi schemes; infrastructure is terrible, 2 trillion USD program & not even a dent?? 

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    @Lemming
    If the upcomers choose the UN,
    The rules applied by the winners,
    By benefit or habit,
    - I don't know if this born out of naivety or just sheer wishful thinking, but you can't possibly expect others to chose your rule over them. 


    If the winners 'keep together,
    Situation will last a while, I 'think.
    - One, the winners themselves can't keep together, for they are strategic enemies, US, UK, France on one side, Russia on another, & China on yet another. Two, new powers are rising as well, & fast. Namely the Islamic world & India. 


    No, I don't think there's anyone in America who'll follow my thoughts through,
    And my thoughts on the matter 'are a bit much,
    So I'll leave my thoughts to rest, for now.
    - I'm curious, what is it then?
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    @Yassine
    When people grow up under or 'see's someone else's influence, cultures, values,
    This can often influence them to prefer said values.

    It's not so much other countries 'ruling over them,
    As it is countries of their own will choosing to rule 'with.

    Same as small countries in older times formed larger countries, due to similarities in values.

    . . .

    Friends and allies change,
    Strategic visions, change.
    I can't see the future.

    . . .

    I've only pieces of thoughts, not worth saying on the subject of how America ought to proceed, not worth saying.
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    @Yassine
    I am going with education and the media. The two biggest sources of political indoctrination in the entire country. Political Indoctrination starts in kindergarten. The media starts when speech begins.
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    @Lemming
    When people grow up under or 'see's someone else's influence, cultures, values,
    This can often influence them to prefer said values.
    - Only when that influence come from a dominant power, or a virtuous source, which neither are the case here. We are talking about a future -within few decades- where the West contributes only a 1/10th of urban population & global production, from a majority 50 years ago & 1/5th today. Half is dominant, 1/10th is very much not. 


    It's not so much other countries 'ruling over them,
    As it is countries of their own will choosing to rule 'with.
    - The implication here is that western people, instead, will chose to emulate the dominant powers of the future.


    Same as small countries in older times formed larger countries, due to similarities in values.
    - Today we see 4 major world civilizations of contrasting worldviews & histories competing: Islamic in the Muslim world (MENA region, Central & South & Southeast Asia, West & East Africa), Western in Europe & North America, Hindu in South Asia, & Sinic in China & neighbors – then another 4 peripheral civilizations between them: Black in Central & Southern Africa, Slavic in Russia & Eastern Europe, Latin in Southern America, & Pacific (the Islands, Japan, Korea, Philippines...). – Values belong to whoever dominates.


    Friends and allies change,
    Strategic visions, change.
    I can't see the future.
    I've only pieces of thoughts, not worth saying on the subject of how America ought to proceed, not worth saying.
    - Alright...

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    I am going with education and the media. The two biggest sources of political indoctrination in the entire country. Political Indoctrination starts in kindergarten. The media starts when speech begins.
    - Why do you think that is? Why so much indoctrination? 

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    @Yassine
    That's easy, to control behavior and thought thus controlling all social narratives. As old as time.
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    @Yassine
    - What do your personal opinion about it?
    It's enlightenment garbage

    - Of course, because they are looking at the same facts in History. Ibn Khaldun saw nations as living organisms, going from birth to youth... to old age & death. A famous quote of his you might've heard of, "hard times make strong men, strong men make easy times, easy times make weak men, weak men make hard times".
    Oh yes, that quote is quite popular

    - I also believe the only solution for the West to maintain a future for their grandchildren is to go back to faith & reconcile with the rest of the world. The obscene wealth they built up at the expense of the peace & wellbeing of all other peoples may have maximized their own immediate wellbeing & self-gratification but it also put the wellbeing of their future generations at huge risk. – But I very much doubt any of it will happen, for death is inevitable. Ibn Khaldun also talks about six stages of a nation's life, the last being when Power is lost but replaced with Prestige. They dress the same & look the same, but their power is only in that others still believe they have it from appearance when they actually don't.  
    Nah they shouldn't reconcile with other people, they should take pride 
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    @RationalMadman
    The US has never been better than it is today, in terms of progress. Covid and Trump's Teem maybe can be excluded but even then the progress is irrefutable.
    That is unbelievably wrong. The US is worse now
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    @Dr.Franklin
    Sure, sure
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    @RationalMadman
    its true. A milkman salary was enough to buy a house in 1950 that would go for 800k today
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    @Dr.Franklin
    You mean a milkman today's income? Or are you saying a milkman's wages back then?
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    back then
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    @Dr.Franklin
    You really mean buy, not rent? Please give proof.
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    @Dr.Franklin
    Nah they shouldn't reconcile with other people, they should take pride 
    - False pride is undesirable. They will reconcile regardless, better before doom than after the fact. 

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    You mean a milkman today's income? Or are you saying a milkman's wages back then?
    - He's telling the truth. Lower income wages actually dropped from 40 years ago, while productivity more than doubled, so did real estate & other non-discretionary expenses. Minimum wage was set up to feed a family of three, today it can barely make it livable for one person.

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