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Ottawa police chief resigns in protest of the tyranny.


It's surprising just how much some Canadians in Ottawa feel the mandates are worth fighting and dying over instead of compromising. Evidently, they choose violence to keep the mandates by supporting martial law. And here I was thinking Canadians were mostly nice people.

But I guess American Southerners thought the same thing about themselves while dying to keep their indentured servants. Unfortunately, the Canadian truckers still refuse to serve their masters.

"We are reinforcing the "institutions" that keep Canadians free." (from other Canadians apparently)
-some Tyrant

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Truckers are going nowhere despite the strawman demonizations.


"it's just a protest"


Stop the mandates.
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The same guy calling these protesters "Nazis" is the first to invoke martial law and strip people of their civil rights.

Hypocrisy and projection are virtues of Canadian "liberals" and leftists.


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“A government that is willing to break the law during an emergency will create an emergency in order to break the law”
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Calling the descendant of a Holocaust survivor a Nazi. Wow
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Trudeau says these people have unacceptable beliefs. This is why he shut down the protests. He made a policy people didn’t like, and they took to protesting it, as is their right. Aside from one-off incidents, these protests have been peaceful. Unlike the BLM protests (which Trudeau endorsed), businesses aren’t being boarded up here either. 

The fact that people are being arrested over a peaceful demonstration, combined with the infamous quote from Trudeau where he will not even consider their beliefs, tells me that he is a tyrant attempting to control his people.

No government should mandate an individual’s ability to impact their own health. Period. I don’t care what it is, as long as others still have the ability to protect themselves, an individual is not and should not be forced to let others control their health.

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How do you feel about State Media doxxing donors since they  are too cowardly to face a real trucker?


This is what happens when a leader condemns its own citizens as terrorists. Very divisive, and for what? Power? It certainly isn't about viral health anymore.

Destroying political opposition with force isn't Democracy, or even close to it.
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The same guy calling these protesters "Nazis" is the first to invoke martial law and strip people of their civil rights.
Sorry but when you spray-paint swastikas over the maple-leaf you are self-identifying as a neo-NAZI.  Freedom Convoy has been flying NAZI and Confederate flags since mid January and I don't see any membership complaining about that public identification.  Therefore, Freedom Convoy identifies as a neo-NAZI (affiliated, at least) group and outsiders are just believing their self-identification.

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and I don't see any membership complaining about that public identification. 
lol. There's no actual Nazi party in Canada and the Confederate flag is an American thing. Most Canadians don't even know what it is.

I think I read an article about how a protester had a Nazi flag with a sign that said Trudeau was a Nazi Fascist, but the membership complained, and said it was bad optics. That's where all this bullshit is coming from in parliament.

Even if it were true that a Nazi wanted to march with the truckers (lol), despite the imagery, Trudeau's actions are far more symbolic of the Nazis than any flag.

Martial law: check.
Demonize citizenry and political opposition: Check.
Crush political dissent and free speech: Check.
Steal from and arrest political opposition: Check.

All boxes checked. He even went so far as to declare truckers as Non-Canadians. Gee, wonder what fascist in history did that to the Jews?
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Trudeau says these people have unacceptable beliefs.
Unacceptable views is what he said.

This is why he shut down the protests.
False.  He shut down the protest because their crime and violence is costing Canadian truckers ten of millions of dollars each day in lost revenu.

He made a policy people didn’t like, and they took to protesting it, as is their right.

That's false.  An strong majority has supported Trudeau's vaccine mandates for truckers since October.  Canadian truckers hate these fascists pretending to be offended on their behalf.  

A look at four Canadian polls
Angus Reid Institute poll: More than two-thirds strongly oppose the protesters’ approach and behavior
In the Angus Reid Institute survey, conducted from February 11 to 13, 69% of respondents said they opposed the protesters themselves – their approach and behavior – versus just 27% who said they were supportive of the protesters.
Sixty-four percent of respondents said they opposed the protesters’ demand to end all pandemic restrictions, versus 33% who said they were supportive.
In addition, 72% said the protesters have made their point and should “go home now,” while 22% said the protesters should “stay in Ottawa and other protest sites until their demands are met.” And while 24% of respondents said the protests have made them less supportive vaccine requirements for international travel and crossing the US border – the protests were sparked in part by a new vaccine requirement for truckers who cross from the US – 44% said the protests had actually made them more supportive of these vaccination requirements, while 32% the protests had no real effect.
The survey was conducted online “among a representative randomized sample of 1,622 Canadian adults who are members of Angus Reid Forum.”
Leger poll: Nearly two-thirds think the protesters are a selfish minority
In a Leger survey conducted from February 4 to 6 in collaboration with The Canadian Press news agency, 62% of respondents said they opposed the protests’ message of no vaccine mandates and fewer public health measures versus 32% who supported that message.
Sixty-five percent of respondents agreed with the following statement: “The convoy is a small minority of Canadians who are selfishly thinking only about themselves and not the thousands of Canadians who are suffering through delayed surgeries and postponed treatments because of the ongoing pandemic.”
The online survey of 1,546 Canadian adults used a representative sample “selected from LEO’s (Leger Opinion) representative panel.”
Ipsos poll: Strong majority disagrees with the goals of the protests
In a survey conducted by Ipsos from February 8 to 9 on behalf of Global News, 59% of respondents agreed with this statement: “The truck protest is mostly a group of anti-vaxxers and bigots intent on causing mayhem and they should not be allowed to protest.” Forty-one percent disagreed.
When respondents were asked if they agreed that “while I might not say it publicly, I agree with a lot of what the truck protestors are fighting for,” 63% disagreed and 37% agreed.
The poll did find that 46% of respondents agreed that while they may not agree with everything the protesters in the capital of Ottawa have said, “their frustration is legitimate and worthy of our sympathy.” Still, even on this question, 54% said that what these protesters have said and done “is wrong and does not deserve any of our sympathy.”
The online survey was conducted among a sample of 1,000 Canadian adults. The poll used quotas and weighting to ensure that the sample reflected the Canadian population.
Maru Public Opinion poll: Nearly two-thirds favor military support role in ending the protests
In the survey conducted by Maru Public Opinion from February 9 to 10, 56% of respondents said they don’t agree with the protesting truckers in “any way, shape or form” and that everything possible should be done to end the protests. Just 20% of respondents said they “fully” support the protesting truckers, while another 24% said they support the reasons for the protest but “not the way they are going about it.”
Sixty-four percent agreed with the statement that “Canada’s democracy is being threatened by a group of protesters and they must be stopped immediately.” Sixty-four percent also supported using the Canadian military in a support role to tow protesters’ trucks. And as Ungar-Sargon acknowledged in a subsequent tweet on Monday, in which she conceded at least that there isn’t “blanket support” for the protests, 58% said drivers who refuse to follow law enforcement directives to move should “face fines and potential jail terms of up to two years.”
The online survey was conducted among a random selection of 1,523 Canadian adults who are “Maru Voice Canada panelists” and weighted by education, age, gender, and region to match the Canadian population.
Aside from one-off incidents, these protests have been peaceful.

Baloney.  As even Amnesty International and the American Civil Liberties Union state plainly, holding the economy hostage with barricades is an act of violence, not free speech.  These fascists have attacked Christian charities, set fire to large residential buildings, threatened and intimidated Muslims, Asians, first peoples, etc.  I consider the blaring of truck horns fair game but violence and intimidation, even threats of violence are off the board and that represents the majority of what these NAZIs are spouting.  Very little of what Freedom Convoy has perpetrated is fairly called free speech or peaceful.

Unlike the BLM protests (which Trudeau endorsed), businesses aren’t being boarded up here either. 
Unlike Freedom Convoy, BLM's George Floyd protests in Canada were entirely peaceful.  Every act of violence done during Canadian George Floyd protests was perpetrated by right wing.  Wikipedia reports of George Floyd protests, "Some businesses and banks downtown  {Ottowa} boarded up windows in advance of the march, although there were no reports of damage"  Here is a picture of businesses boarding up in Ottawa after the truckers rolled in:


By contrast with the Floyd protests, Ottawa residents have already filed suit against the Freedom Convoy documenting $4.8m in property damage. 

The fact that people are being arrested over a peaceful demonstration,
Least peaceful demonstrations in Ottawa since Stony Monday.

combined with the infamous quote from Trudeau where he will not even consider their beliefs, tells me that he is a tyrant attempting to control his people.
Beliefs seems like a lofty word for Christian 5G conspiracy theories, QAnon, and the Nordic Resistance movement.   Trudeau called them fringe views, which seems fair considering that what they really are lies that mentally ill people holler to get attention.

No government should mandate an individual’s ability to impact their own health.

so abortion, drugs, suicide, smallpox, polio- totally unregulated by the govt.  Let

Period. I don’t care what it is,
So let's say every other army in the world immunizes its forces against measles, smallpox, polio, COVID, etc while the US Army follows your extremism and does not enforce or regulate immunization.  Countless battles tell us that as soon as our forces start encountering a large immunized force, our army is going to be swept by a disarming disabling wave of illness.  I understand why Putin wants this and so he pumps tens of millions into COVID disinformation.  I don't know why we would want this outcome.


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Gotta really laugh at people who think the current 8 percent inflation was the result of "Putin misinformation" and not Covid Mandates.

If America is that weak, maybe we would be better off under real Nazis that at least try to strengthen the country instead of the current regime tearing it down for political crumbs.
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Unacceptable views is what he said.
They mean the same thing here. Regardless, it's irrelevant since once you have closed yourself off and seek to remove them for protesting peacefully (more on this in a moment), you are morphing yourself into a dictator.

That's false.  An strong majority has supported Trudeau's vaccine mandates for truckers since October. 
Did I say majority? No. I said people. That can mean any number of them, but it's clear that despite being in the minority opinion, they make up a sizeable chunk still. 20-30% isn't to be looked over.

Canadian truckers hate these fascists pretending to be offended on their behalf.  
None of your surveys mention how many Canadian truckers disapprove of these protests, nor does it matter regardless because if you are going to argue against the Freedom Convoy because most are against it you fall victim to Appeal to the Majority Fallacy.

As even Amnesty International and the American Civil Liberties Union state plainly, holding the economy hostage with barricades is an act of violence, not free speech. 
The ALCU and co. can cry foul all they want. Music to my ears. A barricade is not a physical attack; it's just dumb to equate it to violence.

These fascists have attacked Christian charities, set fire to large residential buildings, threatened and intimidated Muslims, Asians, first peoples, etc.
I would argue this is the fringe of the truckers. Some viral videos of a small amount of individuals does not condemn the whole group, this is Guilt by Association Fallacy.

Also, I can specify that at the very least the claims of arson are exaggerated. Two men (of unknown affiliation up to this point, I might add) were shown attempting arson in one building, and somehow according to you they have "set fire to large residential buildings".

Unlike Freedom Convoy, BLM's George Floyd protests in Canada were entirely peaceful.  Every act of violence done during Canadian George Floyd protests was perpetrated by right wing.  Wikipedia reports of George Floyd protests, "Some businesses and banks downtown  {Ottowa} boarded up windows in advance of the march, although there were no reports of damage"
This is a fair point and I will drop it.

By contrast with the Floyd protests, Ottawa residents have already filed suit against the Freedom Convoy documenting $4.8m in property damage. 
This is completely false. The lawsuit is a $9.8M one, with the $4.8M you mention being for "private nuisance" (lmao), and another $5M for "punitive damage", which by definition is meant to exceed any "wrongdoing" to enact punishment. I'm not sure where you are getting "property damage" from, which is also why I still say these protests are peaceful despite some idiots not being peaceful.

Beliefs seems like a lofty word for Christian 5G conspiracy theories, QAnon, and the Nordic Resistance movement.   Trudeau called them fringe views, which seems fair considering that what they really are lies that mentally ill people holler to get attention.
"Beliefs" can also mean "anti-mandate", which is the common denominator of the protest. Any other views some (a minority, I would argue) of the protesters may have is irrelevant, and pointing them out is an Ad Hominem meant to be a deflection. Having frustrations with a vaccine mandate is hardly "hollering to get attention" and the whole "mentally ill people" part doesn't help any thought provoking discussion either.

so abortion, drugs, suicide, smallpox, polio- totally unregulated by the govt.  Let
Abortion takes a human life. Drugs cause people to lose control of themselves and harm others. Suicide is self-harm and a result of mental health issues. As for smallpox and polio, neither vaccines are currently mandated by the US in an individual's private life and opposing the current laws regarding those vaccines is not the same as opposing a mandate of a vaccine of a weak disease in a individual's private life.

So let's say every other army in the world immunizes its forces against measles, smallpox, polio, COVID, etc while the US Army follows your extremism and does not enforce or regulate immunization.  Countless battles tell us that as soon as our forces start encountering a large immunized force, our army is going to be swept by a disarming disabling wave of illness. 
The government may do as they please when it is the military, which they own. Not to mention most soldiers (and people in general) are going to have smallpox and measles vaccines because those diseases are significantly more dangerous than the coronavirus.

I understand why Putin wants this and so he pumps tens of millions into COVID disinformation. I don't know why we would want this outcome.
LMAO at the the idea of my opinions on COVID being "PuTIN'S mISiNfORMaTioN MeaNT tO deSTRoY tHe US!" instead of a legitimate argument that should be discussed without being overconfidently written off. This is just a deflection.
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I am not surprised by the blatant government blackmail at all.
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There was literally 1 person with a swasitka early on and a poster calling Trudeau a Nazi, which the truckers removed, and now you have the power of the government multiplying 1 by the thousands of other Canadian truckers saying all the truckers stand for swastikas. 

Not only that, Trudeau has called fellow members of parliament of "standing with swastikas"...including Jewish MPs.....

And you thought political baiting was bad in the US....

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here was literally 1 person with a swasitka early on and a poster calling Trudeau a Nazi, which the truckers removed, and now you have the power of the government multiplying 1 by the thousands of other Canadian truckers saying all the truckers stand for swastikas. 
Got a link?
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This is the picture of the one guy. They told him to leave because it was bad optics even though he stupidly was trying to call Trudeau a Nazi.


The main spokesperson for the truckers is Benjamin Dichter, a Jewish activist from Toronto. When asked specifically about the swastika image, he brushed the question off: “People troll, do stupid things, whatever. Who cares?” and he said "It's hoax hate" 

He also said "The Leaders are fueling anti-semitism in Canada by giving credence to stupid things like a Swastika on a trashcan obviously placed by a troll."

There should be no universe where a legitimate political disagreement can be utterly destroyed by one idiot with a flag showing up one day for a photo op.
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As all good Jews should know.

The Tetraktys, is an ancient symbol that links Heaven and Earth.

As I'm sure that said trucker, just like the Nazis, was trying to point this out.


The Third Reich's adoption of the Tetraktys, (albeit at a jaunty angle) had a specific meaning and context.

It was in fact the Allies who promoted a negative attitude towards the symbol.

As descendants of the Allies still continue to do.


Vilification of the trashcan, could be regarded as blasphemy against the King of Heaven.....(Purely speculative).


Funny how we get hooked up on symbolism.
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False. Most of the truckers protesting are already vaccinated. I already posted a clip about what they want, and none of it is what you are lying about in this thread.
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Got a link?
Got a link?
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this is what i love about debateart
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wE went from, "15 days to slow the spread" to, "you're fired if you don't get the jab" to, "your bank accounts are frozen if you protest against us" to, "we'll trample the non-compliant elderly with horses"

can anyone else see where this is going ?
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I was asking Grey for the link to evidence it was the single protester. As far as sources for my own arguments go, I did provide some if that’s what you’re referring to.
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As far as sources for my own arguments go,
ok, i missed the part where you provided a link presenting evidence that it was more than one protester
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they were asked to stop honking,

and they stopped honking

they were asked to clear a bridge,

and they cleared the bridge

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Unacceptable views is what he said.
They mean the same thing here.\
A belief is an assertion of truth whereas a view is simply any opinion.  Given that the Freedom Convoy's primary assertion (that they represent Canadian Truckers) is  so easily and soundly disproved  that Trudeau can't call the Convoy disinformation campaign "belief" without giving their propaganda more than its worth.

Did I say majority? No. I said people. That can mean any number of them, but it's clear that despite being in the minority opinion, they make up a sizeable chunk still. 20-30% isn't to be looked over.
You said that Trudeau made a policy that people didn't like.  But you concede that Trudeau's policy represents the strongly expressed majority will of Canadians.  Your problem is not with Trudeau, your problem is with democracy.  Only 12 people were willing to get arrested for the cause at the Ambassador Bridge.  Less than a hundred total in Ottawa.   Its easy to get people to say they're sick of COVID restrictions but when the rubber hits the road we are talking about a very small group of outsiders who demonstrate no interest in the common weal.

None of your surveys mention how many Canadian truckers disapprove of these protests,

The ALCU and co. can cry foul all they want. Music to my ears. A barricade is not a physical attack; it's just dumb to equate it to violence.
The Russians used to same argument when they barricaded Western Berlin in '48.  Taking out one fourth of all Canadian-US trade is causing devastating economic harm to Canadians and Americans rights now- those people harmed far outnumbering the handful of  loonies barricading the bridges.
 
Also, I can specify that at the very least the claims of arson are exaggerated. Two men (of unknown affiliation up to this point, I might add) were shown attempting arson in one building, and somehow according to you they have "set fire to large residential buildings".
The details you omit are telling:

  • The mostly minority residents of this 100 unit building confronted the Trucker's Convoy  in front of their building at 4AM, complaining about the constant honking of car horns in the middle of the night
  • Less than an hour later,  your two persons of "unknown affiliation" strewed boxes of fire accelerants throughout the lobby, lit them up and sealed the exits
    • That's fucking malicious terrorism right there.  That's not  just "claims of arson" that's attempted mass murder.
    • The fact that the arsonists were incompetent is irrelevant to intent.
I'm not sure where you are getting "property damage" from, which is also why I still say these protests are peaceful despite some idiots not being peaceful.
Ottawa Police:  By last Saturday, there are over 140 criminal investigations so far related to the demonstration- primarily for mischief, thefts, hate crimes and property damage. 

Multiple stolen vehicles have been recovered from protestors
at least two  ambulances were damaged by protestors throwing rocks at one black EMT while calling out racial slurs
at least one police cruiser was smashed by a protestor attempting to evade a police blockade

"hollering to get attention" and the whole "mentally ill people" part doesn't help any thought provoking discussion either.
Disagree.  I think mental illness and the cynical is objectively at the very heart and soul of most anti-VAX activism.

Abortion takes a human life...
So does COVID.  Just because you suppose that your odds of death are low doesn't give you the right to profoundly increase the risk of death to others.  It is not about your private life.  You can stay at home with your fears and FOX News forever and never run afoul of a government mandate.  It is about your public life and the risks you introduce into he lives of strangers that governments are duty bound to regulate.

The government may do as they please when it is the military, which they own. Not to mention most soldiers (and people in general) are going to have smallpox and measles vaccines because those diseases are significantly more dangerous than the coronavirus.
Smallpox and measles are less dangerous now than Coronavirus because democracies and science worked hand in hand to vaccinate the world against those diseases.  COVID is more dangerous at present because it is being given an opportunity to mutate into more transmissible forms.  The Delta variant was deadlier than the omicron variant but omicron killed far more people because it was more transmissible.  Combine super-transmissibility with some very deadly variant (like SARS1 or MERS were) and we could be quickly facing at a mass extinction event.

LMAO at the the idea of my opinions on COVID being "PuTIN'S mISiNfORMaTioN MeaNT tO deSTRoY tHe US!" instead of a legitimate argument that should be discussed without being overconfidently written off. This is just a deflection.
Well, that's just ignorant of the facts.  Long before COVID, Russian bots  and trolls were a primary source of anti-vax disinformation in America.  

In earlier posts, we identified leadership as coming from a variety of different fringe groups

  • 5G conspiracy movement
  • Wexit
    • Russian intelligence was also the primary mover and money behind recent "Texit" and "Calexit" movements.
  • QAnon
    • Let's recall that Pizzagate was started by Gen. Flynn's son just months before Flynn accepted the top intelligence job in the US and then admitted to being a secret Russian agent
    • The main QAnon server 8kun is hosted by DDos-Guard in St. Petersburg on the same racks that host .ru, the Russian Defense Ministry, the Russian Central Bank, Stormfront, Parler, etc.
  • Soldiers of Odin
There are no Canadian truckers leading the "Freedom" Convoy and the only thing the leaders of that movement seem to have in common with one another is that their movements all receive significant funding from the Russian Govt.  I note that 34 cryptocurrency accounts owned by the Convoy's leadership have been frozen- I wonder if we'll learn the extent of foreign influence there.

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Even bootlicking horses are fascist in Canada. What will be next as people defend the tyranny?