Does your ideology have an, -- Engage and Fight Evil --, side?

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Does your ideology have an, -- Engage and Fight Evil --, side?

Those that do seem to think that there should be an active search for an ideology that can be seen by the vast majority as the best.

This notion has a saying of – for evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.

Do you go show your disdain of what your ideology would see as evil?

Please indicate if you are right wing or left wing in your thinking.

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@GnosticChristianBishop

I think most people whatever their ideology is - are trying to do the right thing according to the values that they hold to.

In this - most are therefore either actively fighting what they perceive to be evil or they take a passive position.

Some of course deny they have an ideology. Whatever???

Christianity engages and fights evil. Yet many from other positions would suggest that Christianity is evil and promotes it.

Hence the real question underlying this topic is - what is evil and what is good? And the question that flows from that is - who decides what is evil and what is good?

Is evil real? Is good real? Are they merely ideals that people attach to their understanding of perfection or its opposite?

Are these concepts really just adjectives - descriptions of ideological notions?

Is evil definable? Or not?

Until this question is addressed - or answered - probably the topic will not go too far.

I would consider myself neither right wing nor left wing. Some would accuse me of being right wing because of my theology or because of my economics.

Yet socially others would suggest I am left wing. For instance - I believe in open boarders.

Hence I think I am centrist. Left wing and right wing are almost so similar in essence that it is absurd to suggest that they are opposites.

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Is evil definable? Or not?

Until this question is addressed - or answered - probably the topic will not go too far.

You appear to be the most qualified , then why don't you address and answer it?

KJV dictionary defines evil

Having bad qualities of a natural kind; mischievous; having qualities which tend to injury, or to produce mischief.

Having bad qualities of a moral kind; wicked; corrupt; perverse; wrong; as evil thoughts; evil deeds; evil speaking; an evil generation.
Unfortunate; unhappy; producing sorrow, distress, injury or calamity; as evil tidings; evil arrows; evil days.

So, looking at that it simply means anything not good.

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@GnosticChristianBishop

Good is nice,

And evil is not nice,

Depending upon,

One's conditioned opinion,

Relative to,

The niceness of a particular,

Event,

Relative to,

One's conditioned appreciation,

Of said event.

In other words,

Evil is,

As evil does.

For example,

Having one's buttocks whipped,

Can be either,

Nice or not nice.

So I am told.

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@Tradesecret

"Is evil real? Is good real?"

If you do not know what evil and good are, can I take it that you do not fight evil?

I think that good and evil are real, and that you and I would likely agree on which side a given situation is good or evil.

About 90 % start our morality with a reciprocity rule and that is why there is so much more good in the world than evil.

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@Stephen

Thanks for this.

My simple definition for good and evil is, ----- what I like done to me is good, and what I do not like done to me is evil.

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@zedvictor4

Thanks for this.

I think I agreed with you in my reply to Stephen.

Let me reprint ---

My simple definition for good and evil is, ----- what I like done to me is good, and what I do not like done to me is evil.

This definition allows for the weird stuff like S. & M. etc.

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@Tradesecret
"Is evil real? Is good real?"

If you do not know what evil and good are, can I take it that you do not fight evil?

But doesn't he have to explain his definition of evil first? Or have you forgotten his billion questions to your asking just one? Here>>#2

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I was hesitant to reply but am pleasantly surprised at how cordial this thread has been, so I'll give it a go.

I am someone who follows his own ideology and moral compass but I heavily link to Taoism in my thesis. When it comes to evil, I tend to become more ruthless with the more evil types but at some point, it's sometimes better to flip it around.

If someone is super nasty and lashing out at everyone it eventually is better to be kind to them and show some compassion, it depends on the context. A significant teaching in Taoism and my own philosophy is to go with the flow of the situation and act in a balanced manner that will best achieve harmony as the long-term (not necessarily short-term) result.

Sometimes you do have to become a brute to the other brutes, for longer-term harmony. At other times, you need to be a nicer person who is kind.

The main focus in Taoism and my own philosophy is to be kinder to the kind, as opposed to meaner to the mean. It's much more about positive reinforcement than negative combatting but combat is inevitable and unlike Buddhists, Taoists are allowed to at times be aggressive in response to aggression.

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@Stephen

My definition is above.

No one argued against it.

I have a general definition. Don't you?

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@RationalMadman

Reciprocity is fair play, and I agree that like should be returned for like unless it does not suit ones agenda.

To tolerate the intolerant, for instance, is not reciprocity.

If the other cannot see the log in his eye, it should be pointed out.

Most are too obtuse though, especially in religions.

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My definition is above.

No one argued against it.

That is exactly my point. He- Tradesecret - IS arguing that to know what evil is we first need to answer all of his own questions.

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Tradesecret wrote: Hence the real question underlying this topic is - what is evil and what is good?

And the question that flows from that is - who decides what is evil and what is good?

Is evil real? Is good real? Are they merely ideals that people attach to their understanding of perfection or its opposite?

Are these concepts really just adjectives - descriptions of ideological notions?

And further, given all of the theological qualifications and accreditations the Pastor & Chaplain Tradesecret claims to have, one would have thought after all of his some 40 years of studying scripture in multiple languages that he would have had answers to these very basic questions to be able to define the word - evil. So we can only wait (a very long time I suspect) for him to answer those questions that he posed to you.

Personally I have no problem with the KJV bible's own dictionary definition of the word - evil. As I have shown above> #3

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@Stephen

Thanks for this, and apologies for my reading a bit too quickly before.

I was going to tell our friend that in philosophical debates, if a general term cannot be address, like good or evil, without a definition argument before hand, it is likely never going to get to the issue and get hung up on the definition arguments.

I think our friend is less than honest and that is why he posted as he did.

Christians are the hardest people to get to discuss morals with, because theirs are so poor.

There were/are good reasons for them to use inquisitions and murder to grow their religion, as they did not have decent moral arguments.

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"Is evil real? Is good real?"

If you do not know what evil and good are, can I take it that you do not fight evil?

A question asked does not mean the answer is not known. Sometimes questions - are askes to determine what others are really wanting to know. You ask me a question - fine. But what are we talking about? I know what I think evil and good is. But are you and I talking about the same thing? I doubt it. Respectfully, your question is so broad - no one could really answer but in a vague fashion. This then leaves you with the whip hand to tear down and destroy with a specific.

I do fight evil every day. I fight against Atheism and its lies and deceptions. I fight against corruptness in the church. I fight against those who pursue the death of the most vulnerable in our society. I fight against the evil in my own life - to bring it under control.

I think that good and evil are real, and that you and I would likely agree on which side a given situation is good or evil.

I am not sure this is true. But perhaps you are correct. How about you provide some examples and we will see.

About 90 % start our morality with a reciprocity rule and that is why there is so much more good in the world than evil.

I tend to go with a 80/20 rule - but 90% is within the realms of possibility. The question of course is why - why would 90% of the world have such agreement on what is good? Is it from culture? Is it dumb luck or random chance? Is it an inane or inbuilt conscience? Is it educational?

I don't know how much good is in the world. nor do I know how much evil is in the world. I think the fact that millions of babies are killed each year is evil. And they are not killed primarily for any other reason except inconvenience. There are exceptions. But not very many.

I think child abuse and rape are evils. Far too much. In fact any is too much. I think pornography is evil.

Theft is evil. Government sanctioned theft is evil.

I agree with the 10 commandments. Not following the 10 commandments is sinful. The question is - whether all sin is evil or not? Certainly sin is not good. But does that lead ergo to evil?

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I am not being dishonest.

That is simply a patronizing response.

I was merely seeking clarification from you - prior to responding more fully.

If that is a problem or dishonest - then well - so be it. Yet I reject such a conclusion as it is self serving.

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@Tradesecret

I fight against Atheism and its lies and deceptions

What do have atheists have to lie or deceive about? Keeping in mind that most of the atheist that you tell us that you meet :

Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33

#32 And Atheism is one of the most arrogant positions I have come across - it is not dissimilar to the Leftwing progressive position.
Tradesecret

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4977-suicidal-thoughts-generally-low-self-esteem-and-atheism?page=2&post_number=33

I wonder how these airheaded, drug addled, suicidal, gay and lesbian child molesting convicts ever have time to consider the Bible or religion never mind lie and deceive anyone about it.

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@Stephen

I wasn't talking to you. Or are you simply responding on behalf of another fake persona?

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@Tradesecret

I wasn't talking to you.

but am talking to you.

You appear to have missed the question Reverend Munchausen.

Tradesecret wrote: I fight against Atheism and its lies and deceptions#14

What have atheists to lie or deceive about?

You have said;

Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33

#32 And Atheism is one of the most arrogant positions I have come across - it is not dissimilar to the Leftwing progressive position.
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https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4977-suicidal-thoughts-generally-low-self-esteem-and-atheism?page=2&post_number=33

I wonder how these airheaded, drug addled, suicidal, gay and lesbian child molesting convicts ever have time to consider the Bible or religion never mind lie and deceive anyone about it. Can you explain?

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@Tradesecret

"I agree with the 10 commandments. Not following the 10 commandments is sinful. The question is - whether all sin is evil or not? Certainly sin is not good. But does that lead ergo to evil? "

I did not take you to be a Christian.

Only a fool would like the 10 evil commandments.

As to sin being evil, have you not sung along with Christians --- of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to God's plan?

God, in the bible I read, says that he created both good and evil for his pleasure.

What pleasure do you see God gaining by creating and doing evil?

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@Tradesecret

"I do fight evil every day. I fight against Atheism and its lies and deceptions."

What deception are you seeing?

I see more lies and deception in the God religions.

Have you not seen the stats that show atheists to be way more moral peaceful and law abiding than believers?

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I think these must be very selective studies.

Studies that distance atheism from those who pride themselves on being atheist such as the Communists in China, the Soviet Union, Cambodia etc.

These societies - based specifically on atheism have killed and destroyed more lives in the 20th century than every religion in history.

Now - most atheists today simply deny that these societies and groups are an example of atheism but rather just defective people with defective agendas. The "no true Scotsman" fallacy is at the bottom of this denial.

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@Tradesecret

Statism is a religion.

The religion you advocate is homophobic and misogynous.

I will let you think of the past while ignoring that they discriminate against half the world without a just cause.

You go ahead with the dead.

I will go support the living presently being abused.

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I don't think Christianity is homophobic. I think some elements of the church are homophobic.

The bible is not homophobic.

NEVERTHELESS - it depends what homophobic means.

If it means disagrees with homosexuality then yes it is homophobic.

If it means hates and wants to be violent towards homosexuals - then it is not homophobic.

These two ideas and concepts are very different.

If homophobic combines the two then it does harm to ideas and thinking in principle.

Christianity is not myogenous. Some people within the church are myogenous.

The two are not synonymous.

Define what a just cause is. And then explain why that actually matters.

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@Tradesecret

You really are a contradictory bible dunce aren't you, Reverend Munchausen? lets break your contradictory nonsense down.

I don't think Christianity is homophobic.

It is if Christians are of the belief that Jesus is also god from the beginning. Do you believe then that Jesus is also god from the beginning?

The bible is not homophobic.

The bible clearly states that the sentence for homosexuality is death. Or are you saying it doesn't?

NEVERTHELESS - it depends what homophobic means.

Define homophobia while keeping in mind that the word phobic means to have an irrational fear or dread of something or someone? Was god being irrational and did he have an irrational fear of homosexuals when commanded the death sentence for homosexuals?

If it means disagrees with homosexuality then yes it is homophobic.

So does god define homophobia.

If it means hates and wants to be violent towards homosexuals - then it is not homophobic.

Then, by your own words the bible is homophobic. Because the god of the bible commands the death penalty for homosexuality. Is this not hateful enough and violent enough for you, Reverend Munchausen?

These two ideas and concepts are very different.

No. And this is where you are trying to redefine a word and reinterpret what god means when speaking of homosexuality. Homosexuality is an "abomination" to god so much so that he commands the death penalty for this "abomination".

If homophobic combines the two then it does harm to ideas and thinking in principle.

And here you are again, suggesting and trying to introduce things that have absolutely nothing to do with what the bible and god say about homosexuality.

Christianity is not myogenous.

It very clearly is. Would you like the BIBLICAL evidence, Reverend Munchausen?

Define what a just cause is. And then explain why that actually matters.

Irrelevant, gods command is clear. You absolute bible dunce.

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@Stephen

I don't think Christianity is homophobic.
It is if Christians are of the belief that Jesus is also god from the beginning. Do you believe then that Jesus is also god from the beginning?

If your point is that Christianity is part and parcel with the same God of the OT, then yes - I can for the sake of the discussion agree that Jesus is from the beginning. Yet this does not make Christianity homophobic.

The bible is not homophobic.

The bible clearly states that the sentence for homosexuality is death. Or are you saying it doesn't?

Yes, the OT law states that the maximum sentence for homosexuality is death. This however does not make it homophobic.

NEVERTHELESS - it depends what homophobic means.

Define homophobia while keeping in mind that the word phobic means to have an irrational fear or dread of something or someone? Was god being irrational and did he have an irrational fear of homosexuals when commanded the death sentence for homosexuals?

God does not have an irrational fear of anything including homosexuals. So again - God is not homophobic.

If it means disagrees with homosexuality then yes it is homophobic.
So does god define homophobia.

Good question. I don't know. Having said that - I was responding in relation to how it is understood by the wider and general population.

If it means hates and wants to be violent towards homosexuals - then it is not homophobic.

Then, by your own words the bible is homophobic. Because the god of the bible commands the death penalty for homosexuality. Is this not hateful enough and violent enough for you, Reverend Munchausen?

False. Don't conflate the act and the individual. God does not hate homosexuals. He may well hate homosexuality. Yet what is more important to consider is what is the law about? It is in the context of an entire raft of sexual sins. It is the fact that God loves faithfulness and marriage and family. A marriage was a safe haven for a man and woman to raise children. Every sexual sin that is condemned is expressly opposed to a safe marriage. It is therefore the death penalty for bringing this safe haven in disrepair. It is the fundamental unit of society. And anything that would change that or distort that or raise itself up as a competition to that - was subject to the death penalty.

These two ideas and concepts are very different.

No. And this is where you are trying to redefine a word and reinterpret what god means when speaking of homosexuality. Homosexuality is an "abomination" to god so much so that he commands the death penalty for this "abomination".

I have explained more above. I am not attempting to redefine any word. Stop telling lies. Yes, Homosexuality in God's eyes is an abomination. I have never said or implied otherwise. It is not alone though - it is in a category with many other forms including de-facto relationships.

If homophobic combines the two then it does harm to ideas and thinking in principle.

And here you are again, suggesting and trying to introduce things that have absolutely nothing to do with what the bible and god say about homosexuality.

No I making a decent argument that dislike.

Christianity is not misogynous.

It very clearly is. Would you like the BIBLICAL evidence, Reverend Munchausen?

No it is not. People within the bible may well have acted in such a way - but the principles derived from Scripture would never lead us to that conclusion. Not honestly anyway.

Define what a just cause is. And then explain why that actually matters.

Irrelevant, gods command is clear. You absolute bible dunce.

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Miss Tradesecret,

YOUR OUTRIGHT LYING QUOTE AGAIN REGARDING HOMOSEXUALITY!!!: "God does not have an irrational fear of anything including homosexuals. So again - God is not homophobic"

Jesus H. Christ, as if you weren't being easily made the continued Bible fool by myself and others in the How Do You Know The Bible Is True? thread, then you remove one foot to insert the other by stating your LYING quote above! When will your Bible ignorance ever stop?!

HOMOPHOBIC: dislike of, aversion too, fear of, or discrimination against homosexuality or gay people in negative attitudes, whereas it can be rooted in conservative religious beliefs. People may hold homophobic negative beliefs if they were taught them by parents and families AND the Judeo-Christian Bible!

Here is what Jesus' inspired words state about homosexuals and where He follows ALL of the definitions relating to being homophobic as shown in the definition above, and therefore Jesus is homophobic to the maximum you blatant Bible fool!

1. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

2. “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,” (1 Corinthians 6:9)

3. "For this cause God gave them up into vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet . . . Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them" (Romans 1:26-27)

4. "For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God;" (1 Thessalonians 4:3-5)

Since our Jesus inspired the negative thoughts relative to homosexuals explicitly shown above, and by wanting them MURDERED, then He most certainly is homophobic as Yahweh God incarnate!!! Get it Bible fool? Yes? Maybe you Bible dunderhead?!

Miss Tradesecret, besides, you're not to be commenting upon anything religious to begin with because of you being a woman, AND, in you going against Timothy 2:12 as embarrassingly shown in this revealing link! https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7337-how-do-you-know-the-bible-is-true?page=7&post_number=156

NEXT BIBLE FOOL LIKE MISS TRADESECRET THAT BLATANTLY GOES AGAINST JESUS' INSPIRED COMMANDS WITHIN THE SCRIPTURES WILL BE ...?

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Stephen,

Should we be concerned and sorry that Satan has entered into Miss Tradesecret's soul to the maximum because of her outright Bible stupidity of late shown in this thread, and the last pages of How Do You Know The Bible Is True? thread as well? Just how much of her Bible cluelessness are we to see, and therefore reveal at her expense?! Seriously, how much proverbial egg upon her face is she willing to take in front of the esteemed membership of this DEBATEART Religious Forum AND Jesus (Hebrews 4:13) relative to her unadulterated illiteracy of the Judeo-Christian Bible?!

As we both know biblically, she is not even to be upon this forum in the first place because Miss Tradesecret is a woman that directly goes against Jesus' inspired command in Timothy 2:12 as shown in this link of mine: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7337-how-do-you-know-the-bible-is-true?page=7&post_number=156

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@Tradesecret

I don't think Christianity is homophobic.
It is if Christians are of the belief that Jesus is also god from the beginning. Do you believe then that Jesus is also god from the beginning?
If your point is that Christianity is part and parcel with the same God of the OT, then yes - I can for the sake of the discussion agree that Jesus is from the beginning. Yet this does not make Christianity homophobic.

Then you are the contradictory clown I have always taken you to be.

The bible is not homophobic.

The bible clearly states that the sentence for homosexuality is death. Or are you saying it doesn't?
Yes, the OT law states that the maximum sentence for homosexuality is death. This however does not make it homophobic.

It makes it anti homosexual , doesn't it?

NEVERTHELESS - it depends what homophobic means.

Define homophobia while keeping in mind that the word phobic means to have an irrational fear or dread of something or someone? Was god being irrational and did he have an irrational fear of homosexuals when commanded the death sentence for homosexuals?

God does not have an irrational fear of anything including homosexuals. So again - God is not homophobic.

Then you have proven my point you bible dunce. What it makes the bible and god is anti homosexual. You can play semantics all day you bible dunce, but this is a fact that you simply cannot shake off.

If it means disagrees with homosexuality then yes it is homophobic.
So does god define homophobia.
Good question. I don't know. Having said that - I was responding in relation to how it is understood by the wider and general population.

I understand that ,but considering the "wider and general population" in those ancient times, I would have believed that the word "homophobia or homophobic were not the common parlance for anti homosexual. But what we do know from THE BIBLE that there IS clear anti homosexuality, and anti homosexual, don't we?

If it means hates and wants to be violent towards homosexuals - then it is not homophobic.

Then, by your own words the bible is homophobic. Because the god of the bible commands the death penalty for homosexuality. Is this not hateful enough and violent enough for you, Reverend Munchausen?
False. Don't conflate the act and the individual.

Nope. Your playing words games, and very poorly. God believes HOMOSEXUALTY to be an ABOMINATION. And he that practices HOMSEXUALITY is to be sentenced to death. This is known then as now as ANTI homosexuality.

These two ideas and concepts are very different.

No. And this is where you are trying to redefine a word and reinterpret what god means when speaking of homosexuality. Homosexuality is an "abomination" to god so much so that he commands the death penalty for this "abomination".
I have explained more above. I am not attempting to redefine any word. Stop telling lies. Yes, Homosexuality in God's eyes is an abomination. I have never said or implied otherwise. It is not alone though - it is in a category with many other forms including de-facto relationships.

Stop it you idiot. We are specifically discussing Homosexuality and what the bible says about HOMSEXUALITY and what god has to say about it. No matter how hard you attempt you dilute it with "other forms including de-facto relationships. " the bible is ANTI homosexuality and therefore his ANTI homosexual.

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Christianity is not misogynous.

It very clearly is. Would you like the BIBLICAL evidence, Reverend Munchausen?
No it is not. People within the bible may well have acted in such a way - but the principles derived from Scripture would never lead us to that conclusion. Not honestly anyway.

BS.

What the BIBLE has to say about a woman's position in society of the times is clearly sysognyistic.

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Nope - you are totally wrong. The Bible is not homophobic.

Just because you want to specify one sexual act and make the bible about that - the Bible and Christian's dont'

you conflate the truth with lies - the general with the specific - homosexuality with other sexual acts - and you pick and choose.

The Bible is not homophobic and you have not come close to proving otherwise.

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Nope - you are totally wrong. The Bible is not homophobic.

Just because you want to specify one sexual act and make the bible about that - the Bible and Christian's dont'

you conflate the truth with lies - the general with the specific - homosexuality with other sexual acts - and you pick and choose.

The Bible is not homophobic and you have not come close to proving otherwise.

WRONG you idiot. The bible is anti homosexuality and therefor anti homosexual and the BIBLE is clear on both counts. Homosexuality is an "ABOMINATION" to god and homosexuals have a death sentence over there heads. Today this is considered in todays language to be "homophobic".

What I am simply saying it is ANTI HOMOSEXUAL.

“If a man lies with a male as with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination;

they shall be put to death;
their blood is upon them.”
— Leviticus 20:13

It is not "scientific", it is "crystal clear" and "unambiguous".

That ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ in any language is ANTI HOMSEXUAL, you idiot. And you claim that the bible needs to be taken and read with a "scientific approach" using the "scientific method". 🤣