Is it moral to give money to beggers

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Why should they all be outlawed?

How should one interpret the following:
Yeah, not like any kind of addiction or whatever but let's say every few months if a reason pops up to take them, I will not hesitate a huge amount.
what if you knew you were going to be in constant and severe pain for the rest of your life ?

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Why should they all be outlawed?
it's a thought-experiment

what do you think might be the result of such a policy ?
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what if you knew you were going to be in constant and severe pain for the rest of your life ?
this is a stand-alone question
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'Certain types of pain medication are addictive,
Such as morphine.

But morphine not a regular painkiller anymore for everyday person.
Something like Tylenol is.

Though 'some people can get used to using Tylenol for 'every pain, and overuse it, causing toxicity,
 think such is easily avoidable for most people.

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There 'might be some issues regarding people with chronic pain,
And taking pain medication vs other methods,
But I don't know much about that.

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Or if your thought is leading to the idea that pain medication is similar to recreational drugs,
Blocking out pain as acceptable,
Well, alcohol for example, often ends in too many adverse effects,
Thus people shun it as a socially acceptable pain solver,
Degrees of differences, make a difference.


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such is easily avoidable for most people.
The active drug in Tylenol, acetaminophen, is one of the best medications we have for helping people in pain. It's also one of the most commonly overdosed substances in the world, and it puts about 60,000 Americans in the hospital every year. Several hundred people in the U.S. will die in 2013 from liver failure after acetaminophen overdose.
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You make no sense, to be honest.

You're the same guy who wants drugs to be legal elsewhere.
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I'd have to read more, to have a stronger opinion,
But sounds as if a many of those overdoses are suicidal in nature.


"Methods
We identified 93 consecutive patients, hospitalized for acetaminophen toxicity over a 52-month period from 1996 to 1999 in our urban county hospital. Retrospective case-control analysis was carried out using the data obtained from the medical records.
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Acetaminophen accounted for 7.5% of all cases of poisoning admitted during this period. Of the 93 patients, 80 were classified as suicidal and 13 had accidentally poisoned themselves in an attempt to relieve pain. The ratio of females to males was found to be 2:1. Of the 93 patients studied, 88 were admitted to the intensive care unit for initial 24–48 hours of monitoring. Peak acetaminophen levels were higher in the suicidal overdose group (mean 121.7 ± 97.0 mg/l vs 64.5 ± 61.8 mg/l, P < 0.05) than in the accidental group. In spite of this, peak aminotransferase levels >1000 IU/l were more often seen in the latter (39% vs 12%, P < 0.05). Hepatic coma and death were seen more often in the accidental overdose group (15% vs 0%, P < 0.05). Interestingly chronic alcohol abuse was also more frequent in the accidental overdose category (39% vs 18%, P = 0.05)."

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You're the same guy who wants drugs to be legal elsewhere.
what the hell are you talking about ?
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But sounds as if a many of those overdoses are suicidal in nature.
perhaps we should screen buyers for depression
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So, which drugs do you support making illegal?
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Proper use instructions,
Warning labels,
Are good,

I'm not 'sure that Tylenol 'need be a doctor restricted drug,

And I'll admit that people are more likely to commit suicide when they have means,
And less when they lack means,
But suicidal ideation comes and goes,
Just the 'idea of suicide is relatively common, I am 'guessing.
Even when means are removed,
Honestly are a 'lot of ways for determined individuals to off themselves.
, Rambling,
Not practical to safety proof public at large, for 'all items.
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So, which drugs do you support making illegal?
the bad ones of course
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which ones are not bad?
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which ones are not bad?
great question

do you have any theories ?
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Yeah, Tylenol? Panadol? You want to outlaw paracetemol/acetaminophen painkillers?
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Also if you don't clarify which drugs you want to make illegal or legal, I'll just stop asking or respecting your bullshit opinion, which is based on absolutely nothing than your arbitrary picking and choosing of when to be a poser anarchist and when to be a tyrant.
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Might be I misread, Tylenol,

And possible dangers, but I don't know enough to think that.

And I suppose the logic that people ought avoid popping a pill 'every time they're in pain makes sense,
But I don't advocate for that either.
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Myself I would say no,
Though that there are exceptions.

My mother was a psychiatric nurse who devoted her career to helping the homeless.  She consistently advised me to never give money to the homeless, at least in any place where food and shelter was available.  The overwhelming majority of the homeless are dual diagnosis- mentally ill and addicts.  Their good judgement and self-control are extremely impaired.  Giving an alcoholic or heroin addict $200 to spend in one night could well be a death sentence.  Far better to invest in the caretaking facilities and charitable funds that tirelessly work with the homeless to de-escalate the self-destruction and locate a more permanent abode.

Once, a woman approached me, dressed only in a T-shirt and jeans  in a snowstorm.  She was crying and told me that her car had run of gas and that she was stranded and needed just $5 or $10 to help her get home.   Unfortunately for her, I recognized her and said, "Your name is Melanie, right?  You live five blocks that way.   You've lived in the loft above mine for the last couple of years.  I'm surprised you don't recognize me.    I've been in your loft- it's a lot nicer than mine.  Do you really think you should be out here taking money from people when you are living better  off than most of them?"

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Solid infrastructure based on helping the homeless, 'does sound the way to go.
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Yeah, Tylenol? Panadol? You want to outlaw paracetemol/acetaminophen painkillers?
how deadly is "too deadly" ?
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You mean that if you overdose on it, it can damage your body severely? I'd say all drugs do that to differing degrees, some more to the mind/brain but many to the body itself and indeed many fatal at their extremes.
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I will give you one more chance to clarify to me which drugs you'd make illegal or legal before ceasing to entertain you by explaining my side. You do not deserve my explanation if you're all offense and zero defense.
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Researchers gave thousands of dollars to homeless people. The results defied stereotypes.
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I will give you one more chance to clarify to me which drugs you'd make illegal or legal before ceasing to entertain you by explaining my side. You do not deserve my explanation if you're all offense and zero defense.
i'm open to suggestions

this is more of a "brain-storm"

and less of a "policy debate"