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@Mikal
You’re good. This was in reference to the other posts
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@airmax1227
Sounds good
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@Mikal
What would be you first action as president?
Thanking the community. Then talking to the mods about my perspective and intentions. Then talking to the owner and laying out my road map for the future and making sure he is on board - which I have little doubt he will fully endorse. Then building a team of the willing to help implement my ideas. I realize this is more than one action, but it'll all be within the first day if I win.
And what are some community activities you will start?
I'll give more thought to many of the on-site activities (though there is a list I'll find soon), but as part of the roadmap from DDO, we need to start having a greater footprint on other platforms. Encouraging and incentivizing live and youtube debates is something I want to start quickly. So very soon, I want us to get the site channel going, and hosting quality debates and get some influencers to judge. I'd like to get mafia going more, and actually see if we can make it break out a bit. Make Dart a greater center of the mafia universe and then expand that in a similar way. There's a lot more to this, but I'll leave it there for now.
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@Mikal
What is the best and worst experience you have had with a member of ddo in the past.
I don't really know how to answer this very well. Any unavoidable disciplinary action taken against a member was a negative experience. I had a lot of positive experiences with members, so its hard to pick one. I made a lot of great friendships and it was great working with so many wonderful people over the years. It's been great talking to many of those same people today.
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@airmax1227
We all know you are very beloved on DDO and can certainly get votes from that crowd. My question to you is how you will obtain voters who did not know you from DDO and are strictly DART based and have never heard of you? What would be your message to them?
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@airmax1227
As a follow up to the question before, you have not been as active on the site compared to the other members? How can you convince people that you truly want to be active and be a president on DART?
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@Mikal
can I mail in my vote early? I will allow you to harvest my ballot.
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@Vader
My question to you is how you will obtain voters who did not know you from DDO and are strictly DART based and have never heard of you? What would be your message to them?
My message to those that don't know me is the same: I have a plan, the experience, and the same goals that I believe most people here have, and I have the ability to see it through. The only thing I would add for those that don't know me, is to engage in this process. Talk to me, ask me questions and to get to know me, and soon we will all be able to share in the experience of making Dart an even greater place to debate, socialize and enjoy this community in whatever ways we like best.
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@Vader
As a follow up to the question before, you have not been as active on the site compared to the other members? How can you convince people that you truly want to be active and be a president on DART?
My reentry into the community is a fair criticism, though it's not entirely unlike what occurred on DDO. I was a semi-active member there, criticized for a lack of experience and activity, and then I was asked by my peers to run for president. I agreed, and then spent the next 6 years doing everything I could for that site. That's what is happening here, and if the community wants to give me the opportunity, I will keep my promise as I did then and always do, and dedicate myself to seeing Dart improved. This is also under much better circumstances than DDO, where my workload was far greater and there were much greater complexities involved in the management of that site. For Dart, I can keep my efforts much more focused, and I am very enthusiastic about the prospects of that endeavor.
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@airmax1227
Thank you for the responses. I think those were my key issues that I had but I am glad you were able to address them.
Good questions supa!
Hey Max, long time no see dude.
\Why do you think this place hasn't yet achieved what DDO did in terms of community?
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@badger
Hey Max, long time no see dude.
Hey! Great to see you! How's it goin?
Why do you think this place hasn't yet achieved what DDO did in terms of community?
I'm not entirely sure yet, though I plan to do a lot of research and analysis over the next couple days to get a good grasp on the totality of the site dynamics and challenges. Part of it is probably just time, and part of it is probably availability of comparative platforms. This site has the advantage of knowing past mistakes, being built on the foundations of the past, knowing what features to focus on, and having an immediate base of members, so there's certainly a lot of positives to build on. But I think the rest will come with some more time, some clever marketing, and a focus on the site being vibrant and engaging while creating a proper balance between something free and properly stimulating, while not being overly encamped into a wild west parody.
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@badger
Why do you think this place hasn't yet achieved what DDO did in terms of community?
I can't speak for Max or for others, but I think the general idea of this website from the DDO vets was that it is a "joke". Moderation (while improving) has made some pretty rough decisions over the course of it's existence on the website. I do think much of that comes from a far too rigorous interpretation of the rules, however even the punishment for rule breaking is pretty severe. Fuctionally, I think this site works perfectly enough and has the functions users want and need that it should be thriving. So the only thing I can piece together is that the way it's being ran is fundamentally flawed. I personally am not as active here as I was on DDO for that reason. Why try to promote site activity, bring in more members, start up controversial threads, or make debate tournaments, when at any moment someone can be banned for something rather trivial?
The lack of a laissez-faire style of modding is fundamentally why I think this site won't reform. Voting airmax is a pretty ideal way to see moderation reform, given his history with the current mod team. Airmax would be a great influence towards a full on revival of the website, and this presidential candidacy provides the perfect oppertunity for a full reform of the website.
Actually, when I think of DDO's golden age it was a little bit before you guys. We were a very diverse bunch once upon a time. It was more real debaters, I guess, and from all over the globe. Eggleston, Roy Latham, Puck. Danielle, Queen of DDO, of course. We had an-caps and communists, actual cliques around this shit. There would be a new user appear every day wanting to fight about whatever idea. There really would some quality users show up on DDO, and not wanting to play mafia or vote on silly elections, but to debate, to fight for their ideas in debates or in the forums. Really, I think you lot were a detriment to that in a way. It did become cliquey in a more general sense, ended up just a bunch of North Americans, all of an age range, mostly male. I mean, maybe it's nostalgia, but DDO really used to be something. It wasn't just a hangout.
I mean, I don't want to come across too harsh either, there was fun in it too, and maybe it was natural enough. People make friends, that's all. But actually I do think what a site needs for it to grow in the first place is generality. Later DDO lost that. You got any thoughts on that? I don't mean to attack you here either, but I guess I did get a bit hopeful seeing you back lol. I would be interested to hearing your thoughts on it. I do think you guys were a detriment to this site. Elections and hangouts were never what DDO needed.
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@badger
TBH badger I was part of the "golden age" you are referring to as well. I think the real reason you view the next era that way was because you weren't really active. You occasionally came and made posts here and there, but you weren't active nearly as much as you were in the referred "golden age". I think had you interacted and participated with the new wave of people that came in you may have liked them quite a bit. Also I don't neccesarilly buy into the "cliquey" thing being more of a thing than it ever was in your time. There was a clique in that golden age too, it was just different faces than were in the new click. Many of the users you mentioned probably were that age's clique. I remember because at the time I wasn't in it lol. I was too young and dumb and manipulated by Right Wing idealogies to think for myself though, so it makes sense.
As to site functionality, I think this site is a long ways off. I don't have too much experience with web development and it is a neat bit of CSS and I guess PHP and AJAX. It really is a neat bit of CSS and I hate CSS, so. But I don't think this site ever turns up on a google search and DDO did. If you want this site to grow, that's first stop. Page rank algorithms, rewrite the whole thing in C++, I dunno. I got no idea how you fix it lol. But that is what needs fixing. Then no front page either. There's definitely a huge programming effort to be made there. And I guess that's all too much of an ask really, but then Phil did it once upon a time. If you could leverage a presidency that way, that's what you do. I dunno, I think our problems are too many here lol. I think too much playing house was an issue too, it just was. I get what you're saying too TUF and I don't doubt I would have liked a lot of you, you had your right wing ideologies and I had drug abuse lol. But I don't know. This site needs to be a debate site first. It needs generality. Debate has got that. Elections don't.
I miss old DDO haha. I really do.
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@badger
As to site functionality, I think this site is a long ways off. I don't have too much experience with web development and it is a neat bit of CSS and I guess PHP and AJAX. It really is a neat bit of CSS and I hate CSS, so. But I don't think this site ever turns up on a google search and DDO did. If you want this site to grow, that's first stop. Page rank algorithms, rewrite the whole thing in C++, I dunno. I got no idea how you fix it lol. But that is what needs fixing. Then no front page either. There's definitely a huge programming effort to be made there. And I guess that's all too much of an ask really, but then Phil did it once upon a time.
Visually speaking the site looks okay to me. Are you on mobile or desktop? Phil used OLD asp.net before it was updated, which was one of the major reasons Juggle struggled with updates. The code was out dated, and it would have taken a lot to transfer everything into PHP. Also I thought you were talking about DDO in later years, like 2012 to its death in 2017. I agree with you about DART not being at the same standard of old DDO.
But I don't know. This site needs to be a debate site first. It needs generality. Debate has got that. Elections don't.
I think if we can get a stable active community debate will come. Elections tend to be the time when the site is buzzing with the most activity. Prior to elections being announced here there wasn't a post on the main page in almost 30 days lol.
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@badger
I miss old DDO haha. I really do.
Same. Mostly mafia, but the rest was good too lol.
Visually, I think the site is a work of art tbh. I really hate CSS lol.
I think if we can get a stable active community debate will come. Elections tend to be the time when the site is buzzing with the most activity. Prior to elections being announced here there wasn't a post on the main page in almost 30 days lol.
Debate definitely came before community on DDO. Elections are fun and play on cliques and friendships and everything else, and there's carryover here, I mean look at what's participating in this election. It's Burial and Athias and the rest is old DDO. But I guarantee you elections are barrier to entry in the large. If you googled debate, you're looking to debate. Friends comes after.
What do you mean by elections being barrier to entry?
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@Lunatic
They shift the focus of the website to something more social. People aren't getting what they click for.
Not saying we shouldn't be friends either, but.
I think maybe that's just the way of websites like this tbh. I've seen it on mafia websites too. First it's the leaderboard which is the real draw and competition and life of the website. Then once that gets a wall too high to climb the site becomes more of a social thing. But then that's a dying website. I don't really know how you fix that either or should you fix it.
Dunno.
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@badger
Difference is this website started out pretty dead, so it's not even appropriate to say it's dying. There was a few DDO refugees that came here and since some new members have popped up, but relative to DDO this place was never ever active. There has to be a reason for that, and a solution to fix it. This is the first time the community and get together to elect someone they believe can influence and change the way things are. I think the problem lies with restriction of speech and over moderation. I think electing someone like Max who has a lax stance on moderation is exactly the type of perspective our current mods can benefit from. Step 1 in fixing a dead site is to not promote making it more dead by banning people for lengthy amount of time over minimal stuff.
More threads, more users posting, more controversy, more debate. I think it's easily fixable, but I never sought to try because the mods seemed to reluctant to listen to feedback in the past. Now they are opening a public forum that allows a community representative to have a direct line of communicate this stuff to them in a way they are obligated to respect and hear out. This is the perfect oppterunity to fix the site issues and "revive" the site.
A trophies functionality is a good idea when you go thinking down those lines. Let people fight for their own gold, silver, and bronze trophies to be displayed on their profiles. Gives people hills to crest outside of a leaderboard. But really Dart was birthed from an already dying DDO and shit's on life support ever since, not like to make it lol. I'm just having fun with ideas of what actually makes a website like this successful.
Difference is this website started out pretty dead, so it's not even appropriate to say it's dying.
I agree.
Step 1 is to make this site appear on google search.
Step 2 is making it a leaderboard focused site.
Step 3 is games and all the rest.
It's funny, the awards system was something I proposed in my presidential campaign on DDO 10 years ago, it was great to see it actually implemented here, it was just too bad the site was too dead to really enjoy it as a luxury
The awards system is definitely something. Post likes too. But you could do so much more. An actual trophy/tournies functionality. Maybe a yearly leaderboard as well as an all-time and trophies there too. It is that sort of stuff that makes a website before anything social. Maybe ask Danielle but I remember DDO's leaderboard being hotly contested in early days. Like it's what the site was about.
I'ma stop, but. A clique or a hangout doesn't much appeal to me, and I don't think it would appeal to many. I come on Dart because people are interesting not friendly. Friendly helps, sure.
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@Lunatic
I proposed in my presidential campaign on DDO 10 years ago
I went on DDO like yesterday when I saw Danielle reappear wondering how long do I know this chick. 12 years, we're fucking ancient lol.
Where does the time go, eh.